“What I discovered—and what a lot of these Giraffe Heroes have discovered—is that the one true stable meaning for life is service. It’s giving back.” — John Graham Overview In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan sit down with John Graham, author, international peacemaker, and Director of the Giraffe Heroes Project, for an extraordinary conversation about courage, purpose, and service. John’s early life reads like an adventure novel. As a teenager, he worked aboard a cargo ship traveling to the Far East. He hitchhiked through the revolution in Algeria, helped make the first direct ascent of the North Wall of Mount McKinley, and later served as a U.S. Foreign Service officer during the Vietnam War. But beneath his appetite for danger was a deeper search: to understand what it meant to be strong and what would ultimately give his life meaning. John shares the turning points that transformed that search—from a moment of reckoning during the war in Vietnam, to discovering that the same toughness and determination he had once directed toward adventure could instead be put to work for peace and justice. At the United Nations, that realization led him to challenge his own government and help build international pressure against apartheid in South Africa. Then came another life-changing moment: surviving a cruise ship fire and a typhoon in the North Pacific. Convinced he was about to die from hypothermia, John confronted the question of whether he was truly living according to the purpose he had discovered. His survival became a promise to himself to devote the rest of his life to service. That promise ultimately led him to Anne Medlock and the Giraffe Heroes Project, which for more than four decades has shared the stories of people who “stick their necks out” to make a difference. It’s a conversation about redefining courage—not simply as taking risks, but as using who you are and what you know in service of something larger than yourself. You’ll Hear - How being bullied as a young person shaped John’s early ideas about masculinity, toughness, and courage. - Why risk and adventure became John’s first answer to the question of what makes life meaningful. - The experience in Vietnam that forced him to confront how shallow his pursuit of adrenaline had become. - How John began to recognize that toughness and compassion didn’t have to be opposites. - How his work at the United Nations taught him that his skills could be used for peace and justice rather than war. - The unlikely relationships John built across political and ideological divides—and why listening, conversation, and trust mattered. - The remarkable story of how an informal conversation with Cuban diplomats nearly created a pathway to freeing the American hostages in Iran. - How surviving a burning cruise ship and a typhoon became the third major turning point in John’s life. - Why stories of ordinary people taking courageous action became the foundation of the Giraffe Heroes Project. - What more than four decades of collecting stories of people creating change have taught John about hope. - Why John believes service is one of the most enduring ways to find meaning—and why service doesn’t require abandoning your career or radically changing your life. - How each of us can begin by asking what we’re good at, what needs fixing, and where those two things might meet. Resources John Graham John is the Director of Giraffe Heroes International and the author of several books exploring courage, purpose, service, and creating change, including: - Quest: Risk, Adventure, and Searching for the Meaning of Life - Sit Down, Young Stranger: A Memoir - Stick Your Neck Out: A Street-Smart Guide to Creating Change in Your Community and Beyond Giraffe Heroes Project Founded by Anne Medlock, the Giraffe Heroes Project finds and tells the stories of people who “stick their necks out” for the common good. Over more than four decades, the organization has shared the stories of more than 2,000 “Giraffe Heroes” to inspire others to take meaningful action in their own communities. Badass Grandad John also shares short-form videos under the name Badass Grandad, combining stories from his remarkable life with practical lessons and calls to action. The series can be found on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube. 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