Progressive Indiana Network: https://progressiveindiana.net HoosLeft: https://hoosleft.us The Steady State: https://thesteadystate.org/ SUMMARY: In this conversation, Scott sits down with Steven Cash — former CIA officer, former senior advisor to the DHS Under Secretary for Intelligence, chief counsel to Senator Dianne Feinstein, and member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence — and current Executive Director of The Steady State, a nonpartisan group of more than 400 former senior national security professionals opposing authoritarianism. It’s an unlikely pairing for a democratic socialist podcast — Scott says as much up front — but the conversation is a wide-ranging, credentialed walk through what competitive authoritarianism is, how the current administration matches the indicators intelligence professionals have spent careers watching for in other countries, and what ordinary people can actually do about it. Cash traces his own path from a reluctant CIA recruit in 1994 through the founding of The Steady State in 2016, addresses foreign interference in American elections, and lays out concrete, non-partisan advice: get smart, organize, vote, and — for those with the most privilege and least personal risk — carry the burden for the people who don’t have that luxury. HoosLeft and PIN rely on your support. To receive new posts and support our work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. WHAT’S INSIDE: 00:00:23 Introduction: Small-L Liberal Democracy, Strange Bedfellows, and Tonight’s Guest - Scott frames the moment: for most of modern history, political debate happened within a shared small-l liberal democratic consensus — free elections, rule of law, separation of powers, protected civil liberties. Trump and MAGA have embraced illiberalism, pushing the U.S. toward what experts call competitive authoritarianism. - The result is a strange coalition of everyone who still values democracy — leftists and democratic socialists alongside traditional conservatives, imperialists, and national security hawks, all opposed to Trumpism, however uneasily. - Introducing tonight’s guest: Steven Cash, Executive Director of The Steady State, a group of 400-plus former senior national security professionals. Former CIA officer, senior advisor to the DHS Under Secretary for Intelligence, chief counsel to the late Senator Dianne Feinstein, and member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. 00:02:48 Support the Show - HoosLeft and Progressive Indiana Network don’t paywall content or charge candidates — support at progressiveindiana.net ($5/month or $50/year) sustains the project. - Social handles: @hoosleft.us on Bluesky, Instagram, and Threads; @HoosLeft on Facebook, TikTok, and YouTube; PIN is @pinindiana on Bluesky and TikTok. 00:04:09 Steven Cash’s Origin Story: From NYC Prosecutor to the CIA - Scott welcomes Cash, noting the surreal nature of hosting a former CIA officer on a leftist Indiana politics podcast — and Cash immediately embraces the moment. - Cash started as a prosecutor in the New York County District Attorney’s office — the real-life version of Law & Order, minus the glamour — before joining the CIA in 1994, first as a lawyer. - He was genuinely conflicted going in: the CIA wasn’t an organization his New York City family and friends viewed positively. He told his wife the night before he might have to resign. - Instead, he fell in love with the institution — describing it as fundamentally as an organization built on observing the world and reporting accurately, in secret, to the people who depend on it: the president, Congress, and senior policymakers. Telling truth to power. 00:09:04 The Case Officer’s Speech: “They Are Not Your Colleagues” - During his first week of training, an older case officer addressed the new class and pointed out that in an auditorium in Moscow, an equivalent class of new recruits was joining Russia’s SVR (the KGB’s successor) — same training, same tradecraft, different language. - His point: those recruits are not your colleagues. The new CIA class had just sworn an oath to the Constitution; the SVR recruits swear no such oath, and their job isn’t protecting their country — it’s protecting the autocrat. - Cash says that distinction held true throughout his career and shaped how he thinks about the current moment. 00:10:20 The Intelligence Community Doesn’t Talk Politics — Until They Had To - Cash notes that inside the agency, political affiliation is essentially invisible — colleagues don’t discuss it, much like avoiding religion and politics at a dinner party. - The Steady State formed in 2016 in response to the first Trump administration, bringing together former intelligence and State Department colleagues who had worked on Balkans issues and liked each other — only then did members learn who was a Republican and who was a Democrat, and it surprised people on both sides. - The founding conviction: intelligence professionals shouldn’t normally get involved in domestic politics, but this was assessed as an existential threat that warranted an exception. 00:11:41 From Endorsing Biden to Returning to DHS Under Ken Wainstein - The Steady State endorsed Joe Biden in 2020, including Republican members within the group, on the shared existential-threat rationale. - Cash returned to government under Biden as senior advisor to Ken Wainstein, the DHS Under Secretary for Intelligence — previously George W. Bush’s Homeland Security Advisor. Cash respected him as a patriot even while disagreeing with him on policy. - Cash’s title: Executive Director of the Intelligence Enterprise Program Office, coordinating intelligence functions across ICE, CBP, INA, Coast Guard, and TSA. 00:13:11 Civil Liberties Is Tradecraft — and Walking Out the Door on January 20th - Cash’s team used the phrase “civil liberties is tradecraft” — treating rights protection as a core professional skill, not an afterthought, especially for domestically focused intelligence work. - The day after the 2024 election, Cash told his boss he’d stay through January 20th and then leave — because everything the intelligence community had feared about a second Trump term, including a candidate who ran explicitly on using intelligence agencies against his enemies, was coming true. 00:15:37 The Russia Question: Manchurian Candidate or Useful Idiot? - Scott raises the Russia angle to Trump’s rise, noting skepticism on the left about overstating it into a literal “Manchurian candidate” narrative versus the simpler read that Russia benefits from an inept, chaotic U.S. president regardless of formal control. - Cash grounds his answer in the bipartisan Senate Select Committee on Intelligence report — signed by Marco Rubio among others — which concluded with near-unanimity that Russia sought to interfere in the election through multiple channels. - Cash’s honest caveat: he’s not privy to current classified intelligence and won’t overstate his certainty, but from general knowledge of Russian active-measures tradecraft, the pattern is familiar. 00:16:49 The Senate Intelligence Committee Report and the Hunter Biden Laptop Letter - Cash connects Russian influence operations to the effort to “dirty up” Joe Biden ahead of the 2020 election — including, potentially, elements of the Hunter Biden laptop story, which carries what Cash calls hallmarks of Russian influence. - He notes he didn’t sign the public letter questioning the laptop story’s provenance, not out of disagreement but because it wasn’t his area of expertise — though he respects many who did. - What’s genuinely novel and alarming to Cash isn’t that a foreign adversary would attempt this kind of operation — that’s expected — it’s that an American president would seem to embrace rather than resist it. 00:19:16 Assessing Trump: Almost Nothing Putin Could Want That He’s Not Doing - Cash resists the movie-style “unmasked spy” framing — real senior figures are complex, not simple assets, and he quotes Aretha Franklin’s “Who’s Zoomin’ Who” to make the point. - His actual assessment, offered carefully: there is almost nothing Putin could want Trump to do that Trump isn’t doing. Whether that’s coincidence, alignment of interest, or something else, Cash says is genuinely hard to know. - The Steady State has produced a leadership analysis-style profile of Trump; Cash describes him as mercurial, temperamental, and difficult to categorize as either brilliant or simply ignorant. 00:20:03 The Strait of Hormuz, Arrogance, and a President Uninterested in Truth - Cash cites a recent hearing exchange in which the president seemed not to know the Strait of Hormuz is a narrow body of water off Iran’s coast — material any ninth-grade geography student would know. - Scott’s read: being “born on third base” means never having to do the homework. Cash agrees, and connects it to a deeper problem: the intelligence community exists to speak truth to power, but this particular power isn’t interested in truth — it’s interested in people telling him he’s right. 00:22:39 State-Sanctioned Corruption: Hunter Biden vs. the Trump Family Business - Scott contrasts the outsized political controversy around Hunter Biden’s Ukrainian board seat — access-driven nepotism, but not remotely unusual by historical standards — with the current scale of Trump family profiteering off government contracts and insider information, absorbed into the daily news cycle without proportionate scrutiny. - Cash confirms it’s happening daily, enabled by what amounts to blanket immunity from criminal law extended to Trump’s allies, friends, and family — a pattern he recognizes directly from watching dictators and autocrats abroad, including Putin, Orban, and Slobodan Milosevic, going back to Italy and Germany in the 1930s. - The common threa