All Quiet on the Second Front

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If Between Two Ferns and C-SPAN had a child, it would be All Quiet on the Second Front. Blending the very best (and the worst) of government gravitas with technical expertise, Second Front’s Chief Executive Officer, Tyler Sweatt, cuts through the noise and the bureaucratic BS surrounding all things defense tech, national security, and government markets. Be warned: this is not your typical military or government podcast. As host, Tyler has an uncanny ability to get people to talk honestly, making candid conversations that are equally informative and entertaining. All Quiet on the Second Front is the much-needed integrator connecting listeners to experts across fields in an approachable format that offers a fun experience with real conversations, driving real change in the defense tech industry and U.S. national security. Learn more about Second Front at SecondFront.com

  1. 2d ago

    127. AI and the Battle for the Mind with Wasim Khaled, Co-Founder & CEO of Blackbird.AI

    In 2020, telling people that organized actors were using bots to shape what the public believes got you called a conspiracy theorist.  The one audience that didn't need convincing was the national security community, which had been thinking about the battle for perception long before it had a commercial market. Now, the problem has a name — cognitive warfare — and it has changed shape. The target is no longer the information environment. It is cognition itself, and AI has collapsed the cost of attacking it. Blackbird CEO Wasim Khaled returns to All Quiet to walk through what narrative attacks look like now, who is actually getting hit, and why monitoring the problem was never the mission. What’s happening on the Second Front:  Why “misinformation” and fact-checking became the wrong frame, and what narrative intelligence replaced them withWhat AI did to the economics of a narrative attack — from troll farms to autonomous agents, and from “where are the bots?” to “where are the people?”Who gets targeted now: members of Congress, CEOs, even shareholder votes — not just the credulousWhy most platforms stop between observe and orient, and what it takes to close the loop through decide and actPrediction that isn’t fortune-telling, it’s reducing the number of futures that can surprise you Wasim Khaled is co-founder and CEO of Blackbird.AI, whose Constellation platform helped define the narrative intelligence category; a computer scientist by training, he built and scaled an Inc. 500 company before turning to information warfare. Connect with Wasim LinkedIn: Wasim Khaled Connect with Tyler LinkedIn: Tyler Sweatt

    127. AI and the Battle for the Mind with Wasim Khaled, Co-Founder & CEO of Blackbird.AI

  2. Aug 11

    126. The Mission Shouldn’t Run on Luck with Bill Pessin, SVP of Missionforce at Salesforce

    Twenty years ago, a young logistics lieutenant solved an impossible field problem with a Franklin Planner, a satellite phone, and a contact who happened to be at his desk. It worked — but it ran on luck. Bill Pessin has spent his career since making sure the mission never has to. He joins Tyler Sweatt to trace the line from Army logistics to leading Salesforce’s Missionforce, and why acceleration, not just speed, is the point. What's happening on the Second Front: How a satellite phone and a Franklin Planner solved an impossible field problem — and why depending on luck is a system failureWhy Salesforce is the “central nervous system” of the mission enterprise, from HUMINT to workflowHow Missionforce was born from a single dinner between Marc Benioff and a combatant commanderWhat “acceleration” really means when moving faster through the mission is the goal, not the metricThe one piece of government friction he’d fix first if he had a magic wand Bill Pessin is SVP of Missionforce at Salesforce and a U.S. Army veteran who has led the company’s national security business since 2014. Connect with Bill: https://www.linkedin.com/in/billpessin/Connect with Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylersweatt

    126. The Mission Shouldn’t Run on Luck with Bill Pessin, SVP of Missionforce at Salesforce

  3. Aug 4

    125. Signal, Grit, and the Veteran Transition Trap with Kyle Eberly, Wyatt Frasier, and Max Cormier from Sitreps

    Every veteran gets the same advice on the way out: "your service will speak for itself." It won't. In this episode, Tyler Sweatt sits down with Kyle Eberly, Wyatt Frasier, and Max Cormier, the leadership team behind Sitreps — the recruiting firm that's become the go-to clearinghouse for veteran talent in defense tech and private equity — to give it to transitioning service members straight. They cover: Why civilian employers care about value and dependability, not your combat record — and how to lead with thatThe difference between "signal" and "human capital," and why vets almost always need the formerWhether an MBA is still worth it (and why "getting an MBA on YouTube" is a trap)The negotiation and entitlement mistakes that cost people offers at the one-yard line Connect with the Sitreps Team: Wyatt Frasier, CEOKyle Eberly, Chairman and CTOMax Cormier, COO Connect with Tyler: LinkedIn: Tyler Sweatt

    125. Signal, Grit, and the Veteran Transition Trap with Kyle Eberly, Wyatt Frasier, and Max Cormier from Sitreps

  4. Jul 21

    124. Defense Acquisition Speed and the Cost-Per-Effect Problem with Church Hutton, AV

    A foreign partner's payment has sat in a U.S. government account for nearly a year. The order still hasn't shipped. It's stuck in contracting. That kind of friction is exactly what Church Hutton, Chief Growth Officer at AV, has spent his career navigating: from Senate Armed Services and Appropriations staff, to Army Reserve officer, to leading growth at a company that just doubled in size by acquiring Blue Halo. Tyler and Church dig into: Why "cost per effect" is broken — the U.S. is shooting down $20K threats with million-dollar interceptorsWhy laser weapon systems are finally moving from prototype to production after decades of false startsThe historical parallel between the Army's interwar cavalry branch and today's Pentagon modernization fights__________ Church Hutton has spent over two decades moving between Capitol Hill, uniformed service, and defense industry leadership, most recently steering growth at AV through its transformation into a full-spectrum autonomous systems company. Connect with Church LinkedIn: Church Hutton Connect with Tyler LinkedIn: Tyler Sweatt

    124. Defense Acquisition Speed and the Cost-Per-Effect Problem with Church Hutton, AV

  5. Jul 7

    123. Fast Planes Fast: Hermeus's CEO Zach Shore on Owning the Outcome

    Breaking into aviation as a startup means years of quiet, brutal work with nothing to show for it publicly. Zach Shore calls it startups on hard mode: the pain is real, but the moat is massive. Now Hermeus is the fastest company in history from founding to supersonic flight, and its newly minted CEO sits down with Tyler to explain how a small team out-built a 75-year-old industry. "Own the outcome, not the action" — the whole job of leadership at scaleWhy adding sales headcount early creates crosscurrents, not coverage74 days from build stand to weight on wheels, and why building more planes makes you fasterKeeping your mouth shut as go-to-market strategy in a zero-sum budget world Zach Shore is the CEO of Hermeus, a former Marine SIGINT officer and Anduril early employee who led the Lattice program before joining Hermeus to build its go-to-market motion from scratch. Connect with Zach LinkedIn: Zach ShoreConnect with Tyler  LinkedIn: Tyler Sweatt

    123. Fast Planes Fast: Hermeus's CEO Zach Shore on Owning the Outcome

  6. Jun 23

    122. Timing the AI Wave with Brian Raymond | All Quiet on the Second Front Podcast

    Getting AI out of the POC and into production has been the defining challenge of the last three years. Brian Raymond has lived it from the inside — building infrastructure, mistiming bets, and figuring out in real time what "enterprise-ready" actually requires. This episode covers: What it takes to get AI out of the demo and into production at scaleWhy senior engineering judgment matters more than headcount in the AI eraHow Unstructured crossed the Valley of Death without forking their stack — same core code base on Game Warden and in financial servicesWhat a decade at CIA taught Brian about paranoia as a leadership practiceWhy the dam may have finally broken on enterprise AI adoption Brian Raymond is CEO and co-founder of unstructured.io, an AI data infrastructure company with $65M raised, 70M open source downloads, and customers spanning financial services, defense, and enterprise SaaS. Connect with Brian: LinkedIn: Brian Raymond Connect with Tyler: LinkedIn: Tyler Sweatt

    122. Timing the AI Wave with Brian Raymond | All Quiet on the Second Front Podcast

  7. Jun 9

    121. Scaling Defense Tech: Hacking Bureaucracy for National Security with Meagan Metzger (Dcode)

    High-level policy decrees and exciting national security headlines don't win wars. Execution does. This week, Meagan Metzger (Founder & CEO of Dcode) joins Tyler Sweatt to pull back the curtain on the unsexy, high-stakes reality of defense acquisition reform. While leadership pushes for rapid commercial tech adoption, the "fingers-on-keyboards" workforce is left managing legacy constraints, budget shifts, and an inherent fear of administrative risk. What’s happening on the second front: The critical execution gap between strategic mandates and tactical reality.Re-engineering the internal operating models of DoW programs to maximize authorities.Why commercial founders must understand the defense ecosystem better than their buyers.Transitioning from line-item product procurement to budgeting for mission outcomes.Realigning the incentives within federal labs and research communities toward true mission impact. Connect with Meagan LinkedIn: Meagan MetzgerConnect with Tyler LinkedIn: Tyler Sweatt

    121. Scaling Defense Tech: Hacking Bureaucracy for National Security with Meagan Metzger (Dcode)

  8. May 26

    120. What Gets Funded in Defense Tech with Paige Craig (Managing Founder & Partner at Outlander VC)

    At some point, every founder runs into reality. Not just the pitch or the vision. But the part where it breaks, gets hard, and no one is coming to fix it for you. This is where most companies are decided. Paige Craig (Managing Founder & Partner at Outlander VC) joins guest host Sam Gray to break down how he evaluates founders in defense tech: how conviction is earned, what stands out early, and what separates the teams worth betting on. What’s happening on the Second Front: What earns a first check (and what doesn’t)Insight, obsession, and character—and why they matter more than experienceHow strong teams handle setbacks vs. hide from themThe reality of founder dynamics as companies growWhere defense tech is going—and who’s going to build it?Connect with Paige LinkedIn: Paige CraigConnect with Sam LinkedIn: Sam Gray

    120. What Gets Funded in Defense Tech with Paige Craig (Managing Founder & Partner at Outlander VC)
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If Between Two Ferns and C-SPAN had a child, it would be All Quiet on the Second Front. Blending the very best (and the worst) of government gravitas with technical expertise, Second Front’s Chief Executive Officer, Tyler Sweatt, cuts through the noise and the bureaucratic BS surrounding all things defense tech, national security, and government markets. Be warned: this is not your typical military or government podcast. As host, Tyler has an uncanny ability to get people to talk honestly, making candid conversations that are equally informative and entertaining. All Quiet on the Second Front is the much-needed integrator connecting listeners to experts across fields in an approachable format that offers a fun experience with real conversations, driving real change in the defense tech industry and U.S. national security. Learn more about Second Front at SecondFront.com

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