The Other 22 Hours

Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss
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An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between. A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world. Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.

  1. Rob Moose on the feast-or-famine mindset, songs as love letters, and remaining child-like.

    3d ago

    Rob Moose on the feast-or-famine mindset, songs as love letters, and remaining child-like.

    Behind nearly every influential indie-rock and pop record of the last 15 years has been the brilliant mind and hand of string arranger and multi-instrumentalist Rob Moose. The three-time GRAMMY winner has contributed to thousands of records by the likes of Paul Simon, Taylor Swift, Phoebe Bridgers, Bon Iver, St. Vincent, Bruce Hornsby, and Mumford & Sons. In this calming, deeply reflective conversation, Rob opens up about "peaking" in the live touring industry, the transition to a studio-centric life, and how fatherhood has introduced a powerful focus into his creative process. It is an exploration of legacy, creative boundaries, and why sustaining a 20-year career ultimately comes down to treating music not as an athletic feat, but as a deeply human relationship. In This Episode: Rob MooseManhattan School of MusicColumbia UniversityThe New SchoolInterlochen Arts AcademyNirvanaBon IverSNLPaul SimonMadison Square GardenBowery Ballroom‘The Artist’s Way’ - Julia CameronNonesuch RecordsGabe Kahane Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work.Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    49 min
  2. Michaela Anne + Aaron Shafer-Haiss on intuition vs assumption, creative ownership, and vulnerability as a faucet.

    May 20

    Michaela Anne + Aaron Shafer-Haiss on intuition vs assumption, creative ownership, and vulnerability as a faucet.

    To celebrate our 150th episode, we try a bit of an experiment: interviewing ourselves, for the first time. After nearly two decades of partnership, we examine the evolution of the creative self. Michaela Anne – whose fifth record, 'These Are The Days,' marks her first in over a 10 years for which she retains total ownership – discusses the "massive shift of self" required to walk away from industry gatekeepers. Aaron Shafer-Haiss, whose compositions have scored major network dramas like 'Station 19' and 'The Good Doctor,' reflects on the "utilitarian creativity" of a producer. It is a conversation about resilience, the "growth seesaw" of a creative marriage, and the realization that the dream is already happening. In This Episode: Michaela AnneAaron Shafer-Haiss‘These Are The Days’Ep 109 Major JacksonNonesuch RecordsHardly Strictly Bluegrass FestivalBonnarooCayamoMountain StageFolks FestMiddle Tennessee State UniversityOwen BiddleSeth TaylorEthan BallingerKyshonaLyle DavinskyLauren BalthropPost Malone Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work.Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    52 min
  3. Molly Tuttle on genre fluidity, artistic anxiety, and micro-managing travel routing.

    May 13

    Molly Tuttle on genre fluidity, artistic anxiety, and micro-managing travel routing.

    Molly Tuttle has shared stages with Ringo Starr and Billy Strings, yet she still grapples with the unpredictable "ups and downs" of a musician's schedule, and the inherent instability of the road. We talk with the GRAMMY-winning artist, and first woman to win IBMA Guitarist of the Year, about the "baggage" of turning a passion into a profession. We explore the necessity of trusting one's gut over industry expectations, how she navigates the transition from bluegrass traditionalism to rock-leaning solo projects, and the quiet power of a partner who understands the nuance of tour routing. In This Episode: Molly TuttleNonesuch RecordsTyler ChildersBerklee College of MusicEp 3 - The Milk Carton KidsThe Goodbye GirlsThe Stray BirdsOzark Mountain Folk CenterFirst Ladies of BluegrassAlison BrownEp 50 - Sierra HullMissy RainesBecky BullerKetch SecorOld Crow Medicine ShowChris StapletonEp 28 - The Wood Brothers Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work.Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    47 min
  4. Asleep at the Wheel on artistic identity, the vow of poverty, and why the geographic imperative is BS.

    May 6

    Asleep at the Wheel on artistic identity, the vow of poverty, and why the geographic imperative is BS.

    Ray Benson is an absolute pillar of American music, a nine-time GRAMMY winner whose band, Asleep at the Wheel, has defined western swing for over half a century. In this conversation, we talk with Ray about the "geographical imperative," rebuilding his career from a broke-down bus to a musical institution, and the delicate balance between the craft of music and the business of image. This is an exploration of longevity, team building, and the importance of finding a "moral compass" in leadership. In This Episode: Ray BensonAsleep at the WheelPeter, Paul, and MaryPete SeegerWoody GuthrieVan CliburnLester FlattMarty StuartMarc CoplandPaul MotianJohn AbercrombieGeorge StraitVince GillTower Records“The Letter Johnny Walker Read”Merle HaggardLawrence WrightMumford and SonsAaron DessnerT.S. ElliotHealth Alliance for Austin MusiciansChris ScruggsMolly TuttleEp 86 - Tommy Emmanuel Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    42 min
  5. Nitty Gritty Dirt Band (Jeff Hanna) on a 60-year touring career, records with hair on them, and the joy in folding laundry.

    Apr 29

    Nitty Gritty Dirt Band (Jeff Hanna) on a 60-year touring career, records with hair on them, and the joy in folding laundry.

    As a founding member of the legendary Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and a three-time Grammy winner, Jeff Hanna has navigated nearly sixty years in the industry, which also includes credits with the likes of Linda Ronstadt, Emmylou Harris, Johnny Cash, and many others. In this conversation we explore the geography of inspiration, from the 1970s Troubadour scene to his forty-year anchor in Nashville’s songwriting community. Jeff reflects on the economy of a perfect line, the creative vitality of a "hard reset," and why the bedrock of the work has to begin with the simple intention of having fun. In This Episode: Jeff HannaNitty Gritty Dirt BandMatraca BergEp 16 - Rodey CrowellThe TroubadorThe Station InnVinyl TapJackson BrowneTim BuckleyPocoEp 144 - Suzy BoggussEp 43 - Gretchen PetersStephen King - On WritingJerry Jeff Walker - Mr BoganglesThe MavericksRingo StarrLevon HelmSheryl CrowFred Eltringham Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work.Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    44 min
  6. Writing for the soul vs. writing for the brief, from writers to editors.

    Apr 22

    Writing for the soul vs. writing for the brief, from writers to editors.

    As the architect behind Rolling Stone Country and the host of the Nashville Now podcast, Joe Hudak has spent decades at the center of the industry. Along with Alison Abbey Hudak, a veteran editor who has shaped the narrative of Nashville’s elite lifestyle media, they offer a wealth of experience in creative survival. This conversation dives into the "show business" of art , the moral weight of elevating artists who mismanage their influence, and the courage required to admit when a prestigious career has stifled your creative brain. In This Episode: Joe HudakAllison Abbey HudakJonathan Bernstein“People Are Drinking Less Than Ever. What’s Country Music to Do?” - Rolling StoneCarly PearceKeslea BalleriniSterling DrakeMarissa MossNashville LifestylesEp 47 Margo Price & Jeremy IveyCarl Jung Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work.Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    53 min
  7. Derek Trucks on collaborative marriage, mentorship, and the healing power of a soundcheck poodle.

    Apr 15

    Derek Trucks on collaborative marriage, mentorship, and the healing power of a soundcheck poodle.

    What happens to the creative spirit when you have been a professional "lifer" since the age of nine? Derek Trucks, widely considered one of the greatest guitarists of all time and a veteran of the Allman Brothers Band and Eric Clapton’s touring lineup, joins us to discuss longevity and leading a 12-piece musical circus. We explore the gradual shift from student to teacher, the grounding force of a musical marriage, and the essential practice of "turning the crops" to stay inspired. In This Episode: Tedeschi Trucks BandAllman Brothers BandThe Beacon TheaterEric ClaptonKofi BurbridgeJohn Lee HookerKoko TaylorAce MorelandColonel Bruce HamptonBuddy GuyJoe WalshGregg AllmanJim ScottTom DowdA Love SupremeKrishnamurtiMad Dogs & Englishman (movie) Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work.Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    51 min
  8. Suzy Bogguss on pioneering the indie path, the quality of community, and disgusting freezers.

    Apr 8

    Suzy Bogguss on pioneering the indie path, the quality of community, and disgusting freezers.

    How does an artist outlast the industry machine to build a career entirely on her own terms? We sit down with GRAMMY-winner, ACM Vocalist of the year, and CMA Horizon Award recipient Suzy Bogguss to explore the evolution of a 40-year career that spans platinum records and her 2026 induction into the Grand Ole Opry. This conversation is an invitation to reconsider what we value, moving away from the noise of the major label machine and toward a philosophy of quality over quantity, independence, and the deep community. In This Episode: Suzy BoggussMatraca BergJeff HannaEp 43 - Gretchen PetersPatty LovelessEp 46 - Mary Chapin CarpenterCapitol RecordsCAAKathy MatteaFolk AllianceEp 16 - Rodney CrowellChet Atkins Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work.Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    50 min
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An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between. A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world. Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.

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  • Creator
    Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    152
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2023-26 The 0ther 22 Hours Podcast
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