Christianity After Deconstruction: Cabernet and Pray

Jeremy Jernigan, Christian Deconstruction Pastor
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Cabernet and Pray is a podcast for people who still have questions about Jesus but have complicated feelings about the church and Christianity. Hosted by Jeremy Jernigan (a recovering megachurch pastor), each episode pairs a glass of wine with honest conversations about the Bible, deconstruction, reconstruction, and what it means to explore faith outside of the boundaries of the theological mainstream. If you've ever felt like your doubts disqualified you, or you've wondered whether there's a version of Christianity that can hold your questions without flinching, then you've found your people. This podcast is for you if you find yourself asking questions such as: *How do I make sense of my faith with all of my doubts? *Can I still follow Jesus if I have issues with the church? *Do I have to choose between my questions and my faith? *What do I do with the parts of the Bible that trouble me? *Where do I go when the Christianity I inherited stops working? *Am I allowed to read the Bible outside of the interpretations I grew up with?

  1. 22h ago

    Grace, Sideways: Faith, Doubt, and Deconstruction (with Jack Reese) | Ep. 88

    You probably expect a certain type of person to talk to you about deconstruction and doubt. Perhaps someone young and with a lot of life yet to experience. But Jack Reese is 75, a former senior pastor and a professor for 28 years, and he just wrote Grace Sideways, a book about a lifetime of doubting. He has never fully understood certainty, and he argues that a hidden God is the God the Psalms and the prophets handed us. We get into summer Christians and winter Christians, why the church sings praise so quickly and lament so rarely, and what Jesus was doing when He quoted Psalm 22 from the cross. Jack also tells the story of walking away from a comfortable career to lead a nonprofit in the poorest zip code in Texas, where a Black congregation gave him the nickname "1%" and meant it as love. Along the way, he explains why the person who insists you must never doubt may be the most arrogant one in the room, and I admit that I want to sound like him when I'm 75. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/3y4NmmKFPMU ----------------- Listen to my new short story audiobook called Loving God More. It's about a 15yo boy who tells his Christians parents he's gay. Neither of them knows how to handle it when an anonymous letter arrives with only one word. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/blog/loving-god-more You can get a signed copy of my latest book, The Edge of the Inside, or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Links: https://link.amazon/B0eEUfMci  https://substack.com/@jackreese1 https://www.jackreese.us/

    Grace, Sideways: Faith, Doubt, and Deconstruction (with Jack Reese) | Ep. 88

  2. Sep 30

    A Guide for Spiritual Refugees (The Book of Job Pt. 8 with David Gushee) | Ep. 87

    I've been on the ash heap with the Book of Job for eight weeks, and this week the author of Job in Exile: A Guide for Spiritual Refugees, Dr. David Gushee, joins me to close it out. Gushee was once America's leading evangelical ethicist, and after he wrote Changing Our Minds, the community he helped build pushed him out. He reads Job as a story that works like a parable. We take on Job 42:6, the verse where the Hebrew is so tangled that scholars disagree on whether Job repents at all, and Gushee explains why he doesn't buy the version most translations give us. If you've ever been told your questions were the problem, Job may have been on your side all along. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/HFFSJQhR6bc ----------------- Listen to my new short story audiobook called Loving God More. It's about a 15yo boy who tells his Christians parents he's gay. Neither of them knows how to handle it when an anonymous letter arrives with only one word. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/blog/loving-god-more You can get a signed copy of my latest book, The Edge of the Inside, or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Links: https://link.amazon/B063CH5xV  https://davidpgushee.substack.com/  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61570977503638

    A Guide for Spiritual Refugees (The Book of Job Pt. 8 with David Gushee) | Ep. 87

  3. Sep 23

    What God Says When You Demand an Answer (The Book of Job Pt. 7) | Ep. 86

    For seven weeks, Job has been waiting for God to answer him. In part seven of the Job in Exile series, God finally shows up in the whirlwind and then wants to talk about lions, ravens, mountain goats, and two creatures that sound like they wandered off a monster movie set (yes, we get into whether Behemoth is a dinosaur, complete with a disturbingly catchy children's song). God never answers a single one of Job's questions about his suffering. If God actually blesses Job's questioning and protest at the end rather than his surrender, that reshapes how we bring our own hard questions to God. Pour a glass and sit with one of the strangest, most beautiful endings in the Bible.  Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/lPIXQHMSGjk  ----------------- My new book, The Edge of the Inside, is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in

    What God Says When You Demand an Answer (The Book of Job Pt. 7) | Ep. 86

  4. Sep 16

    Offering Answers the Story Refuses (The Book of Job Pt. 6) | Ep. 85

    Just when you'd expect the Book of Job to reach its climax, a new character barges in. Elihu is young, angry, and completely certain he has the explanation everyone else somehow missed. In part six of the Job in Exile series, we see Elihu do the one thing the story keeps refusing to do: he shows up with a confident answer. The uncomfortable part is how familiar he sounds in many churches today. This episode argues that your posture around your faith matters more than the beliefs you hold within it, drawing on the apostle Paul, Brian McLaren, and decades of research suggesting it's fundamentalism, not orthodoxy, that tracks with prejudice.  Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/hVxsZ69QFwo  ----------------- My new book, The Edge of the Inside, is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in

    Offering Answers the Story Refuses (The Book of Job Pt. 6) | Ep. 85

  5. Sep 9

    Humor for Church Trauma (with Joshua Colburn) | Ep. 84

    Joshua Colburn spent twenty years inside a megachurch, and now he's known as the "Original Sinfluencer." In this conversation, he and Jeremy dig into why humor and satire might be the most honest tools survivors of church trauma have, how fear gets used to keep people in line, and the day Joshua grew his hair out as an act of rebellion the moment he walked away. The heart of it is his story of being diagnosed with ADHD and dyslexia only after leaving, and realizing the church had spent years reading his neurodivergence as a gift of the Holy Spirit and leaning on it to keep him from seeing the harm. If you love the church, parts of this will be hard to hear. If the church left a mark on you, this might be the episode that helps you heal from it. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/zWrTv6TlI4k  ----------------- My new book, The Edge of the Inside, is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  ----------------- Find Joshua online on all platforms at: @originalsinfluencer @joshuacolburnmusic @prezmoymusic

    Humor for Church Trauma (with Joshua Colburn) | Ep. 84

  6. Sep 2

    Refusing to Lie to Keep the Peace (The Book of Job Pt. 5) | Ep. 83

    Job had a way out. All he had to do was apologize for something he never did, agree that God was punishing him, and his whole world would snap back into place. His community, his reputation, his peace, all of it one lie away. Yet he wouldn't say the lie. In part five of our walk through the Biblical book of Job, we sit in the moment Job tells his friends he will defend his integrity until he dies, even while standing utterly alone. If you have ever been pressured to repent for your questions, to admit you were wrong just to get back in the room, you already know this story from the inside. We get into Job 19 and 27, Dr. David Gushee's Job in Exile, and what it actually costs to speak as you think instead of saying what you are supposed to say. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/rzmZNc-LQhg ----------------- My new book, The Edge of the Inside, is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in

    Refusing to Lie to Keep the Peace (The Book of Job Pt. 5) | Ep. 83

  7. Aug 26

    When Friends Become Accusers (The Book of Job Pt. 4) | Ep. 82

    Job's three friends showed up while his life was in ruins, and by the end they had turned into accusers, convinced that a man suffering this much must have earned it. In part four of Job in Exile, I stay in the long, ugly middle of the book, the stretch most people skip, where everyone closest to Job decides the problem has to be him. If Job's collapse was undeserved, the same could befall any of them, and blaming the man in the ashes is easier than living with it. This is an episode about what a community does when defending the system starts to matter more than defending the person in front of it. We sit in the tension together. Pour a glass and come find out where it leaves us. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/4IUChiNnzik  ----------------- My new book, The Edge of the Inside, is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in

    When Friends Become Accusers (The Book of Job Pt. 4) | Ep. 82

  8. Aug 19

    New Eyes, Old Blind Spots (The Book of Job Pt. 3) | Ep. 81

    In part three of our Job in Exile series, we sit with something in the book of Job that most of us were trained to read right past. By chapter three, the patient, pious Job we love to quote is gone. He breaks a week of silence, curses the day of his birth, and starts to notice the suffering of a world he had been too comfortable to see. His own eviction gave him new eyes. And yet the most righteous man in the East owned people the entire time, and even after admitting to God that his slaves were his equals in creation, he kept them enslaved. Leaning on Dr. David Gushee's forthcoming book and a letter Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrote at Christmas 1942, I keep circling a question I can't leave safely in the ancient world. What am I still normalizing on behalf of the people who suffer, and where does my empathy quietly hit its ceiling? Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/AdDm9VSK94Q ----------------- My new book, The Edge of the Inside, is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in

    New Eyes, Old Blind Spots (The Book of Job Pt. 3) | Ep. 81
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Cabernet and Pray is a podcast for people who still have questions about Jesus but have complicated feelings about the church and Christianity. Hosted by Jeremy Jernigan (a recovering megachurch pastor), each episode pairs a glass of wine with honest conversations about the Bible, deconstruction, reconstruction, and what it means to explore faith outside of the boundaries of the theological mainstream. If you've ever felt like your doubts disqualified you, or you've wondered whether there's a version of Christianity that can hold your questions without flinching, then you've found your people. This podcast is for you if you find yourself asking questions such as: *How do I make sense of my faith with all of my doubts? *Can I still follow Jesus if I have issues with the church? *Do I have to choose between my questions and my faith? *What do I do with the parts of the Bible that trouble me? *Where do I go when the Christianity I inherited stops working? *Am I allowed to read the Bible outside of the interpretations I grew up with?

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