Elle Pugh, RN, BSN is a registered nurse, certified Enneagram facilitator and coach, and the founder of Beyond Your Type, an Enneagram based leadership development practice where she coaches senior level and C suite leaders at companies like Ulta Beauty, JPMorgan Chase, and PepsiCo. She began her career in a pediatric cardiac ICU before leaving the bedside, frustrated with the brokenness of the healthcare system, to build out a healthcare startup’s team from the ground up. That experience shaped her working philosophy that healthy organizations are made up of healthy individuals. She also writes The Dangerous Woman, a Substack on the Enneagram, women’s health, and leadership, and is building Naxos Health, a women’s integrative health platform launching in early 2027. Elle walked through the full map of the Enneagram, from the body types to the heart types to the head types, and why she believes the real work isn’t picking a number off a quiz but understanding the story behind it, the ways each of us learned, as kids, how to feel safe, esteem, and in control. We got candid about my own type, an eight, and how the instinct to be strong and avoid vulnerability can be exactly what makes someone effective in a fight while also being the thing that strains relationships closest to home. We also talked about the Enneagram’s spiritual dimension, the passion and virtue underneath each type, and why Elle sees this as a tool for a lifetime rather than a one time test to take and file away. Elle is also launching a new podcast with her colleague Scott Allender called Present Company, set to debut in January. The name carries a double meaning, both about being fully present in your own life instead of running on autopilot, and about the company we keep when we choose to do this kind of deep work together. Keep an eye out for it to launch as a Substack publication, and subscribe to Elle's Substack now so you don't miss it when it does. Connect with Elle: Website | Instagram | Substack If you’re looking to unleash your potential, find your personal, professional, or political fire, and to connect with a community who is doing the same, click here to learn more. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit shannonwatts.substack.com/subscribe