WANA Presents: For The Record With David McClam

David McClam

Welcome to the podcast that uncovers the truth amidst a web of lies. Originally created to defend a friend from false accusations, we now face relentless harassment from a duo and their followers who aim to silence us and bury the facts. Here, you’ll witness the unfolding of a real true crime saga as I stand up for my friend and others. All the evidence will be made available on our Reddit for you to see. This is a rebuttal podcast like no other—because sometimes, standing up for what’s right is the only way to bring the truth to light.

  1. 6d ago

    No Way Jose: NO WAY JOSE: Who’s Investigating the Investigator?

    In this episode of We Are Not Afraid Presents: For The Record With David McClam, David addresses information reported to him alleging that PRETEND host Javier Leiva is the subject of a federal cyberstalking investigation involving a Reddit profile that targeted a subject of his podcast. David makes an important distinction from the beginning: he has not independently confirmed an official finding against Javier Leiva, and an investigation is not proof of guilt. However, David says he intends to cooperate fully with investigators and provide the evidence in his possession. The allegation raises a much larger question about journalistic independence: What happens if a person reporting on accusations of harassment is also secretly participating in harassment against the very person he is covering? If evidence were to establish that a reporter operated or participated in an anonymous account targeting a subject, the implications could extend beyond the posts themselves. It could raise questions about whether apparent public reaction was truly independent, whether confrontations were being influenced behind the scenes, and whether resulting responses were later presented to an audience without disclosure of the reporter’s own involvement. The episode examines those questions through the principles of journalistic independence, transparency, accountability, and minimizing harm. David also discusses the potential legal distinction between offensive or anonymous online speech and conduct that could satisfy the elements of federal cyberstalking. An anonymous account, criticism, or hostility by itself does not establish a federal crime. Investigators would still have to establish the conduct, intent, and other required legal elements. But the ethical questions remain. If evidence ultimately connects Javier Leiva to the account in question, David argues that PRETEND’s audience deserves clear answers: What was posted? What was encouraged? What involvement existed? And what, if anything, was withheld from listeners? There is also an unavoidable contradiction at the center of the allegation. PRETEND has reported extensively on stalking and harassment, including through The Stalker. If evidence were to show that its own host engaged in similar conduct, the credibility questions would be significant. David’s position is simple: He will provide the evidence he possesses. He will cooperate with investigators. And he will allow the evidence to be examined. Because accountability cannot apply only to the people being investigated. The person holding the microphone does not get to place himself outside the standard of accountability he applies to everyone else.

    No Way Jose: NO WAY JOSE: Who’s Investigating the Investigator?
  2. Oct 9

    No Way Jose: I Sent The Packets-Now Answer The Evidence

    For all of the recipes in the episode and others. Check and join our SubStack If the information you are looking for is not there, check back as it will be coming soon! In this episode of No Way, José, David McClam addresses Javier Leiva’s recent comments about the email packets sent to podcast hosts and other creators who have featured or endorsed his work. David makes one point unmistakably clear from the beginning: He sent the packets. He takes responsibility for the outreach. And any questions about those emails should be directed to him. The packets were sent to people whose audiences may rely on their recommendations, with a request that they independently review concerns involving PRETEND’s reporting and decide whether those concerns affect their own view of the work. David emphasizes that the material contains different categories of issues, including acknowledged corrections, disputed interpretations, editorial concerns, and unresolved questions that still require additional evidence. This episode walks through 60 separate points raised in the email packet, covering multiple PRETEND series and episodes. Among them are questions involving timelines, source attribution, legal terminology, forensic claims, corrections, transcript discrepancies, government records, electronic discovery, financial reporting, and the distinction between what evidence proves and what remains unresolved. The review also includes issues involving the LaDonna Humphrey series, including DHS and Medicaid fraud reporting, TLO access, private versus unlisted videos, disputed communications, phone and SIM evidence, spoofing and location evidence, Lake Hills financial records, and PRETEND’s published correction concerning Oasis revenue. David stresses that the goal is not to inflate every discrepancy into proof of dishonesty. The packet itself distinguishes confirmed mistakes from open questions and emphasizes the need to preserve those differences when evaluating the evidence. The episode also examines a separate revised packet involving the Anthony Christopher litigation. That material raises questions about the alleged phone-handover deadline, when opposing counsel learned about the reported theft, electronic discovery agreements, available sources of digital evidence, disputed forensic interpretations, and the chronology surrounding LaDonna’s affidavit. At the same time, the packet acknowledges the adverse court findings, including contempt, spoliation findings, rejection of the theft account, and the striking of LaDonna’s answer and counterclaim. At the center of the episode is a broader challenge: Address the evidence instead of assigning every criticism to LaDonna. David says that supporting LaDonna does not prove that she directed his actions, and he rejects the idea that his decision to contact other hosts should automatically be attributed to her. He also calls for specific evidence whenever terms such as “stalker” or “harassment” are used. David applies the same standard to his own work. If something in the packet is wrong, identify the specific item and produce the evidence that corrects it. If an unresolved question can now be answered, provide the documentation and allow the assessment to change accordingly. The message of this episode is simple: David sent the packets. David owns the outreach. Now address what is actually in them. Specific claims deserve specific answers. Specific evidence deserves examination. And if the evidence changes, the conclusions should change with it. Bring the evidence.

    No Way Jose:  I Sent The Packets-Now Answer The Evidence
  3. Oct 8

    No Way Jose: Who Contacted Who? The Westboro Story Pretend Did Not Tell You

    For all of the recipes in the episode and others. Check and join our SubStack If the information you are looking for is not there, check back as it will be coming soon! Additional Receipts in this episdode PRETEND's episode page Apple Podcasts Amazon Music PRETEND's published transcript PRETEND's transcript. We Are Not Afraid — my account and rebuttal In this episode of No Way, Jose, David McClam examines a serious allegation published by PRETEND involving Westboro Baptist Church, Anthony Christopher’s LGBTQ establishment, and the claim that David threatened to send Westboro there for a “blood bath.” But what does the available record actually show? David breaks down the language used in PRETEND’s episode description and transcript, including Javier Leiva’s characterization of the alleged threat, and compares it with David’s account of what actually happened. According to David, Westboro Baptist Church contacted him first. He acknowledges that the thought of telling them to mobilize crossed his mind, but says he ultimately chose not to do so because of the potential hatred, confrontation, and violence that could result. The episode also examines Javier’s conversation with Kiah Penfield and raises questions about what happens when someone is asked to react publicly to a serious allegation before independently reviewing the underlying source material. David argues that emotional reactions cannot substitute for verification, especially when the discussion involves Westboro Baptist Church, an LGBTQ establishment, threatened violence, and even references to the Pulse nightclub massacre. At the center of the episode is one challenge: Produce the threat. If David contacted Westboro, show the communication. If he told them to mobilize, produce it. If he threatened Anthony Christopher with Westboro Baptist Church, show the words. If he said he wanted a bloodbath, play the recording in context. David also makes an important distinction between evidence and allegation. Until the original Westboro communication is independently examined and authenticated, his description of that message remains his account. At the same time, PRETEND’s published characterization of the alleged threat is publicly available and can be examined directly. This episode is ultimately about journalistic standards, primary sources, context, and accountability. You do not have to automatically believe David McClam. You do not have to automatically believe Javier Leiva. Check everyone. Read the source material. Examine the evidence. Separate documented fact from characterization. PRETEND has built its reputation around scrutinizing other people’s stories and demanding receipts. Now the receipts are being turned in the other direction. If the threat exists, play it. Until then, we’ll keep reading the receipts.

    No Way Jose: Who Contacted Who? The Westboro Story Pretend Did Not Tell You
  4. Sep 28

    No Way, José Ep12 A.C. Pt 5: Javier wanted you to hear the accusers—Just not Anthony's

    For all of the recipes in the episode and others. Check and join our SubStack If the information you are looking for is not there, check back as it will be coming soon! In the fifth and final installment of our investigation into Anthony Christopher Rocko, the question is no longer whether there was information about his past that PRETEND’s audience could have been told. The question is: How much information can exist about a source before an investigative journalist has an obligation to examine it? Over the previous four episodes, we have looked at contemporary reporting, lawsuits, business disputes, allegations involving money and real estate, and claims about Anthony Christopher’s efforts against LaDonna Humphrey. Now we arrive at the most serious allegation of all. Anthony Christopher was accused of rape. That statement requires an immediate and important qualification. An accusation is not a conviction. We have not established that Anthony Christopher committed rape. But this series has never been about assuming every allegation against Anthony is true. It has been about whether PRETEND applied the same level of scrutiny to one of its own sources that it applied to LaDonna Humphrey. And that is where this allegation becomes impossible to ignore. A sexual-assault allegation existedDavid McClam previously discussed the allegation on We Are Not Afraid, identifying Anthony Dewey as the alleged victim and Anthony Christopher as the accused. McClam later specifically referred to the existence of a police report concerning the allegation. Again, that does not establish guilt. But PRETEND did not limit its examination of LaDonna Humphrey to criminal convictions. Javier Leiva interviewed people with grievances. He explored accusations. He examined lawsuits. He revisited interpersonal disputes. He presented unproven claims as material his audience could consider when evaluating Humphrey’s credibility. If allegations were relevant when they concerned LaDonna Humphrey, then allegations involving one of the people helping PRETEND scrutinize her should also have been examined. Anthony Christopher’s broader historyThe sexual-assault allegation did not exist in isolation. By the time Anthony Christopher appeared in PRETEND’s narrative, there was already a documented history that should have invited serious source vetting. Jennifer PowersJennifer Powers filed a verified lawsuit against Anthony Christopher a/k/a Anthony Rocko in Washington County Circuit Court. Powers alleged that Anthony accepted $8,000 from her for what she believed was her share of a real-estate purchase in Cave Springs. She alleged that she later discovered the property had not been purchased, was not for sale, and that its owners had not discussed selling it to Anthony. Her lawsuit included a cause of action titled: TORT OF DECEIT She alleged that Anthony made false representations, intended for her to rely on those representations, and caused her financial harm. Those were allegations. But they were allegations preserved in a verified court filing. Eureka LiveAnother Arkansas lawsuit later named Anthony Christopher as a defendant in the dispute involving Eureka Live. The plaintiffs alleged conduct involving: Interference with contractual relationships Conversion and Civil conspiracy Court exhibits also included promotional material announcing Anthony Christopher as Eureka Live’s “new owner” after the plaintiffs alleged they had been deprived of control of the business. Again, those allegations were not automatically proven simply because they appeared in a complaint. But they were part of the history available to anyone seriously examining Anthony Christopher as a source. Dennis McCaslin’s allegationThen there is Dennis McCaslin, publisher of Today in Fort Smith. McCaslin publicly alleged that Anthony Christopher offered his publication substantial money to help “bury” LaDonna Humphrey. McCaslin says telephone and text communications existed surrounding that approach. That allegation goes directly to motive. If another publisher says a source previously attempted to put money behind a media effort against the same woman that source would later discuss with PRETEND, that is exactly the kind of information an investigative journalist should want to examine. Not because it automatically makes the source dishonest. Because it may help explain why the source is talking. Then add the rape allegationNow put all of that together. PRETEND’s audience heard Anthony Christopher make allegations concerning LaDonna Humphrey. Listeners were encouraged to evaluate Humphrey partly through Anthony’s perspective. Meanwhile, Anthony Christopher himself had been the subject of serious allegations, including a reported sexual-assault allegation associated with a police report. So the question becomes unavoidable: Why wasn’t Anthony Christopher subjected to the same scrutiny? Allegations cannot matter only in one directionThis is not an argument that every allegation against Anthony Christopher must be true. That would repeat the exact mistake we are criticizing. A complaint is not a verdict. An accusation is not a conviction. A police report is not proof of guilt. But allegations were repeatedly treated as relevant information when PRETEND was examining LaDonna Humphrey. That means the standard cannot suddenly change when the allegations concern one of PRETEND’s own sources. If people accusing Humphrey deserved airtime, then Anthony Christopher’s accusers at least deserved investigation. If lawsuits involving Humphrey were relevant, lawsuits involving Anthony Christopher were relevant to evaluating him. If motive mattered when examining Humphrey, motive mattered when examining Anthony. The standard has to work both ways. Five episodes lead to one questionAfter five episodes, the questions for Javier Leiva are straightforward. Did he know Jennifer Powers accused Anthony Christopher of tort of deceit? Did he know about the $8,000 property allegation? Did he know about the Eureka Live litigation? Did he know about Dennis McCaslin’s allegation that Anthony offered money to help “bury” LaDonna Humphrey? Did he know Anthony Christopher had been accused of sexual assault? Did he know David McClam says there was a police report connected to that accusation? Did he ask Anthony Christopher about any of these matters? And if he did, why weren’t those answers part of the story? If Javier knewIf Javier knew about this history and chose not to tell his audience while using Anthony Christopher to help evaluate someone else’s credibility, then listeners deserve an explanation for that editorial decision. If Javier did not knowThen another question becomes unavoidable: How thoroughly was Anthony Christopher investigated before PRETEND relied on him? Because source vetting is not optional. You cannot spend an entire investigative series digging through one person’s history while treating the history of the people accusing that person as irrelevant. You cannot argue that unproven allegations are worth examining when they concern your subject, then suddenly decide allegations require a conviction before they matter when they concern your source. And you cannot ask an audience to evaluate someone through the testimony of a source without giving that audience information that could materially affect how it evaluates the source himself. The question PRETEND should have askedFor five episodes, No Way, José has opened records and examined allegations that existed before Anthony Christopher became part of PRETEND’s case against LaDonna Humphrey. We have looked at contemporary reporting. Court records. Verified complaints. Business disputes. Allegations involving motive. And now a reported sexual-assault allegation. None of those records alone tells listeners what to believe about every accusation Anthony Christopher has ever faced. Together, however, they raise a serious question about the depth and consistency of PRETEND’s source vetting. Javier Leiva spent an extraordinary amount of time asking: “Who’s afraid of LaDonna Humphrey?” Maybe before asking millions of listeners to rely on Anthony Christopher, there was another question that needed answering first: Who the hell is Anthony Christopher? Because PRETEND’s audience deserved that answer before being asked to believe him. No Way, José.

    No Way, José Ep12 A.C. Pt 5: Javier wanted you to hear the accusers—Just not Anthony's
  5. Sep 27

    No Way, José Ep 11 A.C. Pt 4 The Media Outlet He Allegedly Tried To Buy

    For all of the recipes in the episode and others. Check and join our SubStack If the information you are looking for is not there, check back as it will be coming soon! In this installment of our five-part investigation into Anthony Christopher Rocko, we return to the central question running through this entire miniseries: How thoroughly did Javier Leiva vet one of the people he relied upon in PRETEND’s Who’s Afraid of LaDonna Humphrey? By the time Javier produced that series, he had made an editorial choice to interview people who had grievances, accusations, and conflicts involving LaDonna Humphrey. Those conflicts did not automatically disqualify them as sources. But they did make motive, credibility, and bias important parts of the story. That is why what we found about Anthony Christopher matters. A publisher makes his own allegationDennis McCaslin, publisher of Today in Fort Smith, publicly alleged that Anthony Christopher approached his publication in 2021 and offered a substantial amount of money to help him “bury” LaDonna Humphrey. McCaslin says telephone and text communications existed surrounding that approach. That allegation is significant because it goes directly to motive. It is not simply an old disagreement. It is an allegation from another media publisher that Anthony had previously attempted to involve a media organization in an effort against the same woman he would later discuss with PRETEND. If true, that is information an audience could reasonably consider when evaluating Anthony Christopher as a source. Why motive mattersInvestigative journalists routinely ask questions about the people bringing them accusations. Why is this person talking? What relationship do they have with the subject? What do they want? What have they previously done in pursuit of that objective? Those questions become even more important when the source has a documented history of conflict with the person being investigated. PRETEND repeatedly examined LaDonna Humphrey through the accounts of people who had disputes with her. So why wasn’t Anthony Christopher examined through the same lens? The Jennifer Powers lawsuitMcCaslin’s allegation does not exist in isolation. As we examined in an earlier episode, Jennifer Powers filed a verified lawsuit in Washington County Circuit Court against Anthony Christopher, also known as Anthony Rocko. Powers alleged that Anthony persuaded her to invest in a business venture and represented that he was contributing equally to their partnership. She later alleged that Anthony accepted $8,000 from her toward a supposed Cave Springs real-estate purchase. According to Powers, when she investigated the property herself, she discovered that it had not been purchased, was not for sale, and that its owners had never discussed selling it to Anthony Christopher. Her complaint included a cause of action titled: “COUNT IV – TORT OF DECEIT.” Powers alleged that Anthony made false representations, intended for her to rely upon them, and caused her financial harm. She also brought claims involving fiduciary duties, breach of contract, and unjust enrichment. Those were allegations contained in a verified civil complaint. They were not findings by this show. But they were part of Anthony Christopher’s documented history before PRETEND presented him to its audience. The Eureka Live litigationThen came another Arkansas lawsuit. Anthony Christopher was named as a defendant in litigation involving Eureka Live. The plaintiffs alleged that Anthony Christopher and Walter Burrell discussed Christopher gaining control of the business before its existing operators were removed. Claims involving Anthony included allegations of: Interference with contractual relationships Conversion and Civil conspiracy Exhibits attached to the court filing also showed promotional material identifying Anthony Christopher as Eureka Live’s “new owner.” Again, a complaint is not proof that every allegation contained within it is true. But complaints, prior disputes, and documented litigation can be highly relevant when evaluating a source whose credibility is being used to attack someone else’s. Now put the pieces togetherAt this point, PRETEND’s audience could have been told that Anthony Christopher had a history that included: A verified lawsuit accusing him of tort of deceit. Another lawsuit accusing him of conduct connected to interference with contracts, conversion, and civil conspiracy. And a public allegation from another publisher that Anthony offered money to help “bury” LaDonna Humphrey. None of those things automatically proves that anything Anthony later said about LaDonna was false. That is not the argument. The argument is much simpler: This information could affect how a reasonable listener evaluates Anthony Christopher’s credibility, motives, and possible bias. And that makes it relevant to source vetting. What did Javier know?That leads to a series of factual questions for Javier Leiva. Did Javier know about the Jennifer Powers lawsuit? Did he know that Powers specifically accused Anthony Christopher of tort of deceit? Did he know about the $8,000 real-estate allegation? Did he know about the Eureka Live litigation? Did he know Anthony had been accused of interference with contractual relationships, conversion, and civil conspiracy? Did he know about Dennis McCaslin’s allegation that Anthony offered money to help “bury” LaDonna Humphrey? Did Javier ever ask Anthony about any of these matters? And if he did, why weren’t those answers presented to the audience alongside Anthony’s allegations about LaDonna? Two very different possibilitiesIt would be irresponsible to assume that Javier deliberately withheld this information without evidence establishing that. There are at least two possibilities. He knew about these matters and chose not to include them. Or he never discovered them. Those are different scenarios. But either one raises questions. If Javier knew, listeners deserve to understand why the information was omitted. If he did not know, then listeners deserve to ask how deeply one of PRETEND’s sources was vetted before his allegations were broadcast. The result for the audience was the same: They were given Anthony Christopher’s allegations about LaDonna Humphrey without being given substantial information that could have affected how they evaluated Anthony Christopher himself. Credibility cannot be a one-way investigationPRETEND spent considerable time examining LaDonna Humphrey’s past. Relationships. Disputes. Allegations. Conflicts. People who said they had negative experiences with her. That history was presented because PRETEND apparently believed it helped listeners evaluate her credibility. Then the same principle must apply to the sources making accusations against her. Dennis McCaslin had allegations involving Anthony Christopher. Jennifer Powers had allegations involving Anthony Christopher. Cordale Moore had allegations involving Anthony Christopher. Those voices existed too. Some of those allegations were contained in Arkansas court records long before PRETEND released Who’s Afraid of LaDonna Humphrey? Source vetting cannot mean investigating only the history of the person your source wants the audience to distrust. If Anthony Christopher’s allegations about LaDonna Humphrey were relevant enough for PRETEND, then information bearing directly on Anthony Christopher’s own credibility and possible motive was relevant enough for listeners to know. Javier told his audience a great deal about the woman Anthony Christopher wanted them to distrust. This episode examines what they were not told about the man asking them to distrust her. And No Way, José is opening those records now.

    No Way, José Ep 11 A.C. Pt 4 The Media Outlet He Allegedly Tried To Buy
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Welcome to the podcast that uncovers the truth amidst a web of lies. Originally created to defend a friend from false accusations, we now face relentless harassment from a duo and their followers who aim to silence us and bury the facts. Here, you’ll witness the unfolding of a real true crime saga as I stand up for my friend and others. All the evidence will be made available on our Reddit for you to see. This is a rebuttal podcast like no other—because sometimes, standing up for what’s right is the only way to bring the truth to light.

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