We welcome first-time guest Shane Vander Hart this week. He writes at shanevanderhart.com. Please give him a follow while you’re there. We dug into school choice first. Rob Sand wants to bring back the ESA income cap and add audits, while Zach Lahn talks expansion without much detail. Shane and Laura sparred over what audits would even target, since tuition dollars aren’t currently subject to oversight once schools receive them. Then we turned to the new Emerson/Nexstar poll. Sand is up 5.5 points on Lahn, boosted by a 26-point lead with independents. The Senate race is tighter, Hinson over Turek 47.5 to 45, but Turek leads independents by nearly 12 points, a warning sign for Republicans this cycle. We also covered Brenna Bird’s new Medicaid fraud task force, which drew criticism from two former state officials who say the existing Medicaid Fraud Control Unit just needs more funding. Laura flagged that the task force ignores MCOs illegally denying care. Looking ahead, Laura’s tracking healthcare messaging in the 1st District, Kathie’s watching Sunday’s Libertarian convention to replace their bounced 3rd District candidate, and Shane has a piece coming Monday on Sand’s ESA means test. Want to sharpen your writing and get the inside scoop on Iowa politics at the same time? Join us September 27-30 at the Okoboji Writers' & Songwriters' Retreat on beautiful West Lake Okoboji, featuring Iowa Down Ballot analysts Laura Belin and Kathie Obradovich. They'll walk you through finding public information, getting your opinion pieces published, and plenty more. Spots are limited, so scan the QR code at the beginning and end of the video or head to okobojiwritersretreat.com to sign up. If you’d like to make a donation to help the Iowa Writer’s Collaborative which supports this show please click the button below. Thanks! Auto-generated transcript below: 00:00:30.730 --> 00:00:39.459 Dave Price: Hi, everyone, and welcome to the Iowa Down Ballot Podcast. I am Dave Price, joined by not two. 3 00:00:39.580 --> 00:00:55.030 Dave Price: But 3 media friends this week. Laura Belin, Kathie Obradovich are regulars. They’re here, of course. But we have a newbie, a rookie, Shane Vander Hart. Who the heck is this person? Hi, Shane. 4 00:00:55.030 --> 00:00:55.760 Shane: Hey! 5 00:00:55.890 --> 00:00:57.110 Shane: Hey Dave, how are you? 6 00:00:58.110 --> 00:00:59.459 Dave Price: Who are you? Shane: Who am I? Well, I’m just a guy, no. I write a substack, shanevanderhart.com, very original. 8 00:01:09.370 --> 00:01:10.190 Shane: So, it’s… 9 00:01:10.190 --> 00:01:11.310 Dave Price: Branding, baby, branding. 10 00:01:11.310 --> 00:01:20.809 Shane: Yeah, yeah, so it’s… it’s a piece of my mind, basically, the subtitle’s Piece of My Mind About Faith, Culture, Politics, Media, and Public Policy, because 11 00:01:21.100 --> 00:01:30.350 Shane: drilling down on one particular thing is boring, and so I can… it just leaves it broad and wide open, so whatever I want to write about, I can just do that. 12 00:01:30.490 --> 00:01:37.780 Dave Price: Outstanding. We have had some private conversations, really, for a number of weeks, and we took last week off. 13 00:01:38.080 --> 00:01:43.669 Dave Price: For a little vacation, rest up as we get ready for the final sprint. 14 00:01:43.930 --> 00:01:53.680 Dave Price: I… one of the biggest… I’m just gonna talk out loud about what has been challenging for me. There is no conservative version of Laura Belin. 15 00:01:54.770 --> 00:02:01.099 Dave Price: That is… that has… because that has always been my dream, right? Laura is this unique… 16 00:02:01.970 --> 00:02:09.669 Dave Price: entity. Nobody does what Laura does. Kathie runs this sprawling enterprise, so she’s her own thing, too. 17 00:02:09.740 --> 00:02:13.819 Dave Price: But… but that… she has a different… a different mission. 18 00:02:13.820 --> 00:02:33.139 Dave Price: There is no conservative version of Laura, and so we have had private conversations about, like, how do we get some conservative voices in here? You know, way back in the day, we had Kevin Hall, Craig Robinson, they were doing some things, and they did it differently than Laura does. 19 00:02:33.170 --> 00:02:47.340 Dave Price: But nobody does the kind of deep dive stuff from the conservative side that Laura does, and that is something that I’ve always thought could probably give our conversations here each week a little more depth. 20 00:02:47.410 --> 00:02:48.580 Dave Price: So… 21 00:02:48.690 --> 00:03:03.760 Dave Price: Shane, who has 43 different jobs, so it makes it very challenging to schedule with this man, but you have been around conservative politics for a while, and I appreciate right now you’re… you’re probably a lost man. 22 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:21.710 Dave Price: You are not… you are not the Republican guy who I met 20 years ago or whatever, when we met up for coffee at Smokey Row in Des Moines, when you were doing some other… you had caffeinated thoughts and some other things you were doing. You later launched Iowa Torch, you’ve been a youth pastor in your career, all kinds of stuff. 23 00:03:21.790 --> 00:03:23.780 Dave Price: So… 24 00:03:23.860 --> 00:03:43.229 Dave Price: welcome, because it’s nice to add yet another… yet another voice to this. And I wonder, since you’re our guest this week, maybe you lead off, but one thing that we have talked a little bit about on this podcast, but not a lot, would be looking at the idea of school choice. 25 00:03:43.230 --> 00:03:59.199 Dave Price: And how that might play out in the gubernatorial race. Laura has done a lot of reporting, Kathie’s staff has done reporting on this as well. Shane, you are working for a couple of members who clearly have. 26 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:00.669 Shane: Mistaken it, yeah. 27 00:04:00.670 --> 00:04:13.019 Dave Price: a stake in this and a lot of interest in this expansion. So, talk about what you have seen so far from Rob Sand and Zach Lahn in this area. 28 00:04:13.300 --> 00:04:24.940 Shane: Okay, well, as far as, school choice, it’s hard to say exactly how prominent it’s gonna be in the election. Right now, it seems, obviously, focused more on the economy, and… 29 00:04:25.190 --> 00:04:29.109 Shane: I think Rob Sands, 30 00:04:29.310 --> 00:04:37.129 Shane: his hits on Lahn about where he, you know, where he resides has been landing, especially with independents, but… 31 00:04:37.310 --> 00:04:45.039 Shane: I see two candidates that are pretty far apart on the issue. Of course. 32 00:04:45.300 --> 00:04:57.290 Shane: Rob seems like he has, moderated himself to a point where he’s not… he’s not advocating getting rid of ESAs altogether, but just putting… bringing back the income cap, which I hope I’m… 33 00:04:57.640 --> 00:04:59.719 Shane: I hope I’m, 34 00:05:00.230 --> 00:05:08.220 Shane: talking about his position accurately, but… So I don’t know if that’s what he truly believes, or if that’s what he… 35 00:05:08.900 --> 00:05:20.790 Shane: thinks that’s what… the only thing he’s gonna be able to get accomplished, with… with the current political environment and the likelihood that if he’s elected governor, he’s going to have a Republican legislature to work with, so… 36 00:05:20.860 --> 00:05:30.320 Shane: It’s been interesting. Lahn hasn’t said a lot on the campaign trail that I’ve seen, other than he’s supportive of VSAs. 37 00:05:30.350 --> 00:05:42.859 Shane: I think we’re going to be trying to drill down where he really lands more on specific issues that impact private schools, not just ESAs, but independent accreditation and other things as well. 38 00:05:43.450 --> 00:05:47.089 Dave Price: Laura, what’s your take on where is the base on this? 39 00:05:47.440 --> 00:06:03.939 Laura Belin: Well, the Democratic base is extremely opposed to the school voucher program. I think I agree with Shane’s summary. I would just add a couple of things to what Rob Sands says when he talks about this issue, which he does a lot. He brings it up a lot at his town halls. And… 40 00:06:03.940 --> 00:06:28.209 Laura Belin: he definitely wants to bring back the income caps on it, but also wants to have audits, like, if public money is going to these schools, we should be able to see where the public money is going. There should be more restrictions on what they can do with the money. And finally, he says that these private schools, if they want to take the taxpayer money, they should accept all of the students who want to attend that school. So that is… 41 00:06:28.500 --> 00:06:52.470 Laura Belin: what I’ve heard from him. And I’ve heard impressed by Democratic audiences or voters saying, hey, why aren’t you calling for repealing this program? And he’ll say exactly what Shane just said. If I’m elected, I’m going to be working with a Republican legislature. I was really surprised this week with the Emerson College poll, and I know we’re going to talk about the poll more later, but they asked a question about this issue, not exactly using the phrase school vouchers, but 42 00:06:52.470 --> 00:06:55.570 Laura Belin: State-funded private school tuition assistance. 43 00:06:55.570 --> 00:07:08.680 Laura Belin: And the electorate was really evenly split on it, with just a little more than 40% each way, which I would have expected the electorate to be more against the voucher program, just based on how much I’ve heard Rob Sand talking about it. 44 00:07:08.970 --> 00:07:20.309 Kathie Obradovich: We went up and covered, Zach Lahn up in Britt at the Hancock County Fair, I want to say it was last weekend, so not too long ago. And, he’s… 45 00:07:20.450 --> 00:07:42.180 Kathie Obradovich: careful about how he talks about ESA. So, he said he would like to see expansion of the program, but then he sort of couches that as saying he wants, more