When We Die Talks

Zach Ancell

When We Die Talks is a collection of real conversations with real people about death, meaning, and what it’s like to be human. Each week, host Zach Ancell speaks with an anonymous caller. It begins with one question: What do you think happens when we die? From there, the conversation goes wherever it goes. Belief. Doubt. Loss. Relief. Fear. Sometimes even laughter. These aren’t experts or public figures. Just everyday people saying the quiet parts out loud. The result is raw, unpredictable, and deeply human. New anonymous calls every Tuesday. Want to add your voice? Apply to be a caller at whenwedietalks.com. Leave a voicemail and share a belief, a question, or a moment you can’t shake about death: 971-328-0864.

  1. 1d ago

    Anonymous #52 — Can You Grieve Without Suffering?

    Content note: This episode includes open, direct discussion of suicide, including details of the caller finding their son after his death and the caller's own suicidal thoughts in the months that followed. If you are not in a place to listen to this one, that's ok.  This week's caller is a psychic medium who spends their days holding space for other people's pain. Ten months before we spoke, they lost their 21-year-old son. For the first five months, they cried every day. Their brain still scans the house for him, and it's only now starting to slow down. Every morning, before their feet hit the ground, they make a choice. The way they see it, you can get better or you can get bitter, and they refuse to get bitter. They still grieve and they still cry, but to them grieving and suffering are two different things, and they refuse to suffer. We talk about what they believe happens when we die: hovering over your own body, then a review of your life that shows you how you made other people feel. They also see Earth as a school where the soul keeps coming back to learn. They talk about growing up in Catholic school afraid that their gifts would send them to hell, and about knowing things about their clients back when they were a 22-year-old esthetician. Now they say nature is their church and love is their religion. They didn't get through the last ten months alone. Their husband, their other son, their friends at the salon, and other mothers who had lost children all gathered around them. Their son still sends signs: a bee, a flickering light, a song coming on. They're taking the love they had with him and loving other people more deeply than ever before. In this conversation: Grieving vs. suffering, and choosing better over bitter every morningWhat they believe happens when we die, from hovering over the body to a life review of how we made others feelThe first ten months after losing their son, and why it took a village to get through themLove that changed form, and the deeper compassion it brought to their workLive Q&A: On October 8, I'm doing my first-ever live Q&A on Substack. Ask me anything. You can send questions ahead of time by text, email, Substack or Instagram. Add it to your calendar here. Book recommendation: Finding Meaning by David Kessler. See the full list of Anonymous Book Recommendations here. Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #52 — Can You Grieve Without Suffering?
  2. Sep 22

    Anonymous #51 — Why Does Talking About Death Sound So Woo-Woo?

    Content note: This conversation talks openly about drug addiction, recovery, overdoses, and near-death experiences. The subjects are heavy, but the call itself is warm, curious, and funny in places. If today isn't the right day for it, that's okay. The first time it happened, the power went out in the bathroom where the caller had collapsed, and their phone dropped into SOS mode. Nothing else in the house lost power. They've been asking what that meant ever since, and the question of energy and consciousness sent them down a rabbit hole that runs through the rest of the conversation. The caller came close to dying several times during a stretch of addiction, and two of those experiences changed how they think about death. In the one they describe most closely, they were out for thirty or forty minutes by their best guess. They felt themselves pulled slowly toward a tunnel of light at about the speed of a monorail. They heard their own voice tell them to wake up, then say they didn't want to, then say it wasn't their time. The closest they can get to describing the feeling is the moment they first saw their child. From there the conversation covers a lot of ground. The caller grew up with a parent who told them to question everything, so by ten or eleven they were reading the Bhagavad Gita and Buddhist texts. They describe dreams where their childhood dog visits, young and healthy and waving a paw, and how they tell those apart from ordinary dreams by how they feel on waking. They talk about tarot, a Ouija board they never closed, and a hike where the whole forest suddenly went silent. They also explain why most people in their life hear all of this as woo-woo, and why they keep saying there's some truth to a little bit of everything. They close with the one thing they still want to do: build a house off the grid in Alaska, and someday be buried at the top of a mountain. In this conversation: Near-death experiences, and the tunnel of light the caller describesWhy the caller compares dying to going home, and to the moment they first saw their childA power outage in a bathroom and the caller's questions about energy and consciousnessDreams as visits from loved ones and pets, and how to tell a visit from an ordinary dreamWhat the caller believes comes after death, including staying earthbound, reincarnation, and other planes of existenceGrowing up with a parent who said to question everything, and reading the Bhagavad Gita as a kidMysticism, tarot, and why the caller thinks intention is everythingWhy talking about death and spirits gets written off as woo-woo, and the caller's take that "pseudoscience is still science"Book recommendation: Witchcraft for Wayward Girls by Grady Hendrix. See the full list of Anonymous Book Recommendations here. Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #51 — Why Does Talking About Death Sound So Woo-Woo?
  3. Sep 15

    Anonymous #50 — Is It Okay to Have Made Peace With Dying When They Need You to Stay?

    Content note: This conversation includes discussion around a terminal diagnosis and a period of chronic suicidality. If you aren't in the right space for this today, that's ok. This week's caller is the other half of last week's conversation, the one living inside the diagnosis instead of beside it. They have a former colleague who once opened a tense workplace meeting with three words: I believe everybody. That idea has stuck with them ever since, and it shapes how they think about death now, including their partner's hope that some part of them will linger like the wind. The seizures and fainting started in their twenties. Doctors initially suspected a rare blood cancer. A blood specialist eventually landed on the real answer: a rare, idiopathic bone marrow disorder, diagnosed in 2018 with an initial timeline of three to five years. There's an irony they've sat with. As a teenager, they spent years convinced they wouldn't live past 40, a belief tied to a period of chronic suicidality they've since moved past. Getting an actual terminal diagnosis as an adult, after growing to love the life they'd built, made that old certainty something they never wanted to be right about. They've done two rounds of grueling experimental treatment, daily injections for six weeks with isolation before, during, and after. The first happened in the early months of COVID, while on immunosuppressants that made a single infection potentially fatal. Neither round was for themselves. Both times, it was for the people who weren't ready to lose them yet. They talk about the work of their life in specific terms: living in pursuit of liberation for the people they love, so that when their time comes, the work feels done. Most people in their life don't bring up their dying. One friend changes the subject every time it comes up. Another, a rabbi, is one of the few who can sit in it with them comfortably. In this conversation: A colleague's three words that shaped how our caller thinks about death and beliefThe years-long path to an idiopathic bone marrow diagnosis, and the doctors who got it wrong before one got it rightA teenage belief about mortality that turned out to be true for reasons no one could have guessedChoosing experimental treatment for other people's sake, not their ownWhat it means for our caller to feel like their work is doneBook recommendations: They Can't Kill Us Until They Kill Us by Hanif Abdurraqib and Grief Is for People by Sloane Crosley — see the full list of Anonymous Book Recommendations here. Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #50 — Is It Okay to Have Made Peace With Dying When They Need You to Stay?
  4. Sep 8

    Anonymous #49 — Is It Okay to Need Them to Stay When They've Made Peace With Dying?

    Our caller's framework for what happens after we die starts with basic physics: energy can't be created or destroyed. From there, they work backward. If someone survives a traumatic brain injury and comes out unable to remember who they used to be, wanting different things than they did before, are they still the same person? Our caller thinks so. Just changed. It's the same logic they apply to death itself. Their partner has a terminal illness, and has had it since before the two of them met. Long before this relationship, their partner had already lost two former partners, one to a drunk driving accident and one to COVID, so grief wasn't a new subject between them. Their partner has a phrase for it: grief and joy are sisters. Our caller didn't understand that phrase at first. They came to understand it slowly, through other kinds of loss along the way. Early in the relationship, our caller caught themselves hesitating before telling their partner they were upset about something, wondering if it was worth rocking the boat. They decided almost immediately that it wasn't a real option. Treating a partner more carefully just because they're dying, they realized, isn't a relationship. It's something closer to caretaking. So conflict stayed on the table, same as it would for anyone. They've also thought through the practical side of death more than most people twice their age: a natural burial, wrapped in muslin, buried with flowers, composted into the ground. They want to be in the room when their partner dies, and to help prepare the body afterward, if their partner is willing. They've watched pets die, watched a grandmother taken off life support, even sat in on autopsies during a college internship. Their reasoning: avoiding death doesn't protect anyone from it. It just means it's kicking your door in later. In this conversation: Believing energy can't be created or destroyed, and what that might mean after deathTraumatic brain injury and the question of what makes someone "still themselves"Grief and joy as "sisters," a phrase passed down from a partner who has lost two previous partnersRefusing to let a terminal diagnosis change how conflict gets handled in a relationshipPlanning a natural burial, human composting, and witnessing death firsthandBook recommendation: Black Liturgies by Cole Arthur Riley and Will My Cat Eat My Eyeballs? by Caitlin Doughty — see the full list of Anonymous Book Recommendations here. Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #49 — Is It Okay to Need Them to Stay When They've Made Peace With Dying?
  5. Sep 1

    Anonymous #48 — Would You Believe a Sign From the Dead More If Someone Else Had the Same One?

    The caller was raised by two atheist parents who explained death the way you'd explain any other natural process: you die, you break down, you go back into the earth. They never fully believed it. Their grandmother offered something else, reincarnation, and the caller spent years circling that belief instead, even as they kept collecting moments that didn't fit cleanly into either story. The strangest one came from their own child, three years old at the time, who had a sudden and vivid memory of dying somewhere else entirely, complete with a name and a place, then lost the memory completely an hour later like it had never happened. Years after that, the caller fell for a partner with the opposite belief system, a devout Christian convinced God would save them even as cancer made that less and less likely. In the days before the diagnosis came back, a crow flew into the caller's office and died at their door, an omen their grandmother had always warned them about. The caller was in the room when their partner died, and watched something shift in their eyes in the final moment. About a week later, the caller's bed shook like an earthquake and they dreamed their partner came to them inside a ship, telling them not to be afraid. When the caller mentioned it to their sibling as a strange story, the sibling said they'd had their own dream that same night, one that ended in a single word only the caller and their partner had ever shared. The caller never told their sibling that word. What they landed on by the end of the call wasn't a belief. It was contentment, and boundaries they'd fought hard to build. In this conversation: Being raised by two atheist parents, and the reincarnation their grandmother taught them insteadTheir child's sudden, unprompted memory of a past life at age three, and how completely it disappeared afterA crow that died at the caller's office door in the days before their partner's cancer diagnosis came backThe dream the caller had the week their partner died, and their sibling's corroborating dream the same nightA family religious confrontation at the caller's father's bedside while he was dyingChoosing contentment and strong boundaries over a settled answer about what happens nextBook recommendation: Henry and June by Anaïs Nin — see the full list of Anonymous Book Recommendations here. Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #48 — Would You Believe a Sign From the Dead More If Someone Else Had the Same One?
  6. Aug 25

    Anonymous #47 — When Someone Dies Why Does Everyone Stop Saying Their Name?

    A note before we start: This episode includes discussion of a suicidal crisis and the loss of a pregnancy. If that's more than you can take in today, that's okay, come back to this one when you're ready. The caller keeps their twin daughters' ashes inside a teddy bear on a shelf beside their bed. Most mornings, they say good morning. The girls' names were Scarlet and Violet, named, in part, for Pokémon. Long before that loss, the caller had already been thinking about how to speak to someone who's grieving. Sitting with an aunt who'd lost her son to COVID, the caller decided to just ask instead of guessing: Do you want me to say his name? Her answer was yes, it made her smile. Bobby. That same instinct, ask, don't assume, is what the caller carried into everything that followed: a partner lost in Afghanistan, a German Shepherd named Whiskey who stayed by their side through a suicidal crisis, and a pregnancy loss they now understand, through the work of Dr. Katherine Shear, as complicated grief. In the middle of that loss, a stray cat showed up outside their door and never left. They named him Sergeant Scout. In this conversation: Losing a partner in Afghanistan, and years later, twin daughters during pregnancyA period of suicidal crisis, and finding a way back from itAsking an aunt whether she wants to hear her late son's name, and carrying that question into their own griefA German Shepherd named Whiskey, and a rescued cat named Sergeant ScoutLearning about complicated grief through the work of Dr. Katherine ShearDeciding, deliberately, how they want their daughters spoken ofBook recommendation: Frankenstein by Mary Shelley — see the full list of Anonymous Book Recommendations here. Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #47 — When Someone Dies Why Does Everyone Stop Saying Their Name?
  7. Aug 18

    Anonymous #46 — Can You Hope for an Afterlife That Was Your Partner's Worst Nightmare?

    Content note: This episode includes discussion of suicide, physician-assisted death, psychosis, and serious illness. The caller and their late partner met when they were nineteen. For the better part of a decade they were each other's person, the one you call with good news, bad news, or at 4am when you can't stop thinking about what it will feel like to stop existing. For most of that time, the caller was the one afraid of death. Their partner wasn't. Then their partner, searching for anything that might work against treatment-resistant depression, tried psilocybin. It went badly enough that they developed schizophrenia. The person who used to be at peace with the idea of nothing spent the rest of their life terrified of a very specific something, an afterlife they'd seen in that trip and believed was waiting for them. What follows is not a straight line. There's electroconvulsive therapy and the brain damage that came with it. A period that looked, briefly, like hope: the partner coming out as trans, seeming more alive than they had in years. A breakup that was really an act of care. A vein at the temple that only shows when someone is dangerously underweight, and doctors who looked past it. And, in the end, something the caller is careful to call by its real name: a death with dignity, chosen with a death doula, not a crisis. The caller talks about all of it, including where they are now: still afraid of death, but less afraid than before, because for the first time in their life they're the one hoping something comes next. Not despite what happened to their partner, but because of it. Stay through to the very end of this one. Our caller shared a story after our conversation was over that's worth the listen. In this conversation: What it means to lose someone who was, for years, more at peace with death than you wereA mushroom trip that triggered psychosis, and the years-long shift that followed: electroconvulsive therapy, a gender transition, a slow physical declineTalking a partner through the idea of dying by choice, and the legal patchwork around death with dignityA friend's theory that memory is physical, and what that means for griefGrowing a bat flower, and what it means to still want to see something bloomBook recommendation: The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov — see the full list of Anonymous Book Recommendations here. Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #46 — Can You Hope for an Afterlife That Was Your Partner's Worst Nightmare?
  8. Aug 4

    Anonymous #45 — How Would You Know If a Message From the Dead Was Real?

    Our caller was sitting in a college class when a professor, mid-lecture, turned and looked directly at them and asked what it might have been like to be sheltered with your partner under a mantle in Pompeii, watching ash come down. The caller says every hair on their arm stood up. That was the professor's window into something he already suspected about them. Years later, at an artist market, a stranger asked for a reading. The caller doesn't usually charge, and doesn't usually push, but something came through anyway: a message from the woman's late grandfather, gone three years, about a Salisbury steak dinner at a nursing home and a family joke he'd sworn her father to secrecy over. The woman called her father on the spot. He confirmed it, word for word. The caller was raised in the Bible belt, got kicked out of a few churches as a kid for asking the wrong questions, and has spent years since building a belief system with room for all of it: heaven, reincarnation, nothing at all, and fifty other doors besides, none of them locking anyone out for good. These days, they're also working toward a graduate degree in forensic anthropology, with the goal of helping identify people found in mass graves so their families can finally bring them home. In this conversation: Growing up a medium in the Bible belt, and what got them kicked out of churchThe professor, Pompeii, and the moment logic stopped being enoughA grandfather's message about Salisbury steak that convinced a grieving familyThe horse spirit that's followed the caller their whole lifeBelieving in "fifty doors" instead of one version of the afterlifeStudying forensic anthropology to help identify people in mass gravesBook recommendations: The Giver by Lois Lowry and Forgotten Fire by Adam Bagdasarian (see the full list of Anonymous Book Recommendations here) Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #45 — How Would You Know If a Message From the Dead Was Real?
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When We Die Talks is a collection of real conversations with real people about death, meaning, and what it’s like to be human. Each week, host Zach Ancell speaks with an anonymous caller. It begins with one question: What do you think happens when we die? From there, the conversation goes wherever it goes. Belief. Doubt. Loss. Relief. Fear. Sometimes even laughter. These aren’t experts or public figures. Just everyday people saying the quiet parts out loud. The result is raw, unpredictable, and deeply human. New anonymous calls every Tuesday. Want to add your voice? Apply to be a caller at whenwedietalks.com. Leave a voicemail and share a belief, a question, or a moment you can’t shake about death: 971-328-0864.

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