So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast For People

Megan Senese & Jennifer Ramsey
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Welcome to So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast For People where we explore the behind-the-scenes of work, law, life, and everything in between. We’re your hosts, business development and legal marketing coaches Jennifer Ramsey and Megan Senese, and we’re here to showcase the human side of the legal world, from marketing and consulting to the very real challenges of balancing ambitious careers with being human. This isn’t your typical, dry legal show. Instead, So Much To Say is a human-centered leadership, marketing, and culture podcast through the lens of law. We bring you real stories, candid conversations, and thoughtful insights that remind you that outside of being a lawyer or legal marketer, what makes you human matters too. So whether you’re navigating billable hours, building meaningful relationships, redefining success, or simply trying to stay human in a high-performance profession, this podcast is for you. Stay human. Stay inspired. Namaste (or whatever keeps you human).

  1. How You Feel About Business Development Matters (Minis with Megan)

    3d ago

    How You Feel About Business Development Matters (Minis with Megan)

    What if the biggest thing holding you back from business development isn’t your strategy, it’s how you think and feel about it? In this episode of So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast For People, Minis with Megan, we explore why so many lawyers immediately answer "I'm bad at business development" when asked how they feel about it. By shifting the conversation from performance to emotion, Megan shares a more useful way to identify what’s really getting in the way, and how small, consistent actions can help you build confidence over time. Who this episode is for: Lawyers who feel overwhelmed, intimidated, or stuck when it comes to business developmentProfessionals who believe they're "bad" at networking or relationship buildingAnyone looking for a more sustainable and realistic approach to growthPeople who want to improve their business development skills authentically Episode takeaways: "I'm bad at business development" is often a judgment about yourselfUnderstanding how you feel about business development helps identify the real challenges you’re facing with BDMindset isn't about blind positivity, it's about awareness and practiceThere is no one-size-fits-all business development strategySmall, consistent actions create momentum and confidence over timeSome BD tips you can try:  Start with the right question: Ask yourself how you feel about business development, not whether you're good at itIdentify the real obstacle: Overwhelmed, nervous, time-constrained, uncertain? Name it firstTreat business development like a skill: Practice matters more than perfectionTake small steps consistently: A few minutes a day is better than waiting for the perfect plan and doing nothingExperiment without judgment: Find approaches that fit your personality and season of lifeFocus on progress, not performance: Confidence grows through actionStay Connected: At stage, we believe business development should feel human, sustainable, and aligned with who you are. We help lawyers build relationship-first strategies that work for their strengths, not a one-size-fits-all, cookie cutter approach. Learn more about stageConnect with Megan Senese Connect with Jennifer RamseyLove So Much To Say? Let us know! Drop a review, give us 5 stars in your favorite podcast app, and tell us what made you laugh, think, or just go “yep, that’s me.” Every review helps us reach more awesome humans who want to make legal…well, human.

    4 min
  2. Building Equity Through IP Education (with Valérie Cambronne, Founder of LegallyBlack)

    May 28

    Building Equity Through IP Education (with Valérie Cambronne, Founder of LegallyBlack)

    “To me, equity is the ability for everybody to make the same mistakes with the same level of understanding.” - Valérie Cambronne What if intellectual property education wasn’t reserved for corporations, elite institutions, or people who already knew how the system worked? In this episode of So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast For People, Megan Senese and Jennifer Ramsey sit down with Valérie Cambronne, IP attorney, founder of LegallyBlack, and someone deeply committed to closing the IP literacy gap in underrepresented communities. What started as a conversation between two law school friends after hearing about young artists being exploited in the music industry, eventually became a nationwide nonprofit teaching students how to protect what they create. From candy-themed trademark workshops with high school students, to partnerships with Harvard University, MIT, Howard University School of Law, and the American Bar Association, Valérie is helping reshape who gets access to intellectual property education and why it matters. You’ll hear about: How one podcast episode about music exploitation inspired the formation of LegallyBlackWhy Valérie believes IP literacy should be treated and taught like financial literacyWhy so many creators and founders underestimate protecting their IPThe difference between obstacles and resistance, and why that mindset changed everythingBuilding a nonprofit while practicing law full-timeHow LegallyBlack grew through relationships, word-of-mouth, and momentumWhy IP matters for creators, influencers, startups, and studentsThe surprising intersection between Valérie’s nonprofit work and private practiceWhy business development is a long-term investmentThe vision for LegallyBlack chapters across the country (and eventually globally!)About Valérie Cambronne:  Valérie Cambronne is an IP attorney and the Founder & Executive Director of LegallyBlack, a nonprofit organization dedicated to increasing IP literacy in underrepresented communities. Since launching in 2020, LegallyBlack has delivered free educational workshops across multiple states, reaching students through partnerships with schools, universities, and legal organizations nationwide. Valérie also runs her own IP practice, where she focuses on trademark counseling, brand protection, and helping creators and entrepreneurs understand the “why” behind intellectual property strategy. Learn More: Check out LegallyBlackThis episode is brought to you by: Vista Consulting Vista Consulting helps law firms navigate the rapidly shifting landscape of private equity and MSO-driven transactions. They serve as strategic advisors to firms preparing for acquisition, merger, or partnership, strengthening operations, aligning leadership, and pressure-testing financial performance. Their hands-on experience ensures firms enter the market organized, confident, and positioned to maximize value when it matters most for long-term success ahead. For more information, check out their Law Firm Owner’s Guide to PE Readiness here or explore Vista Consulting’s M&A advisory services for law firms considering a sale. Stay Connected: Love So Much To Say? Let us know! Drop a review, give us 5 stars in your favorite podcast app, and tell us what made you laugh, think, or just go “yep, that’s  me.” Every review helps us reach more awesome humans who want to make legal…well, human. Want to go deeper? Curious about 1:1 coaching with Megan or Jen? Or want the inside scoop on stage? Hit us up below, we’d love to chat! Learn more about stageConnect with Megan Senese Connect with Jennifer Ramsey

    31 min
  3. Hoping to Be Discovered Is Not a Business Development Strategy (Minis with Megan)

    May 21

    Hoping to Be Discovered Is Not a Business Development Strategy (Minis with Megan)

    In case no one else tells you, it’s important to understand that hoping to be discovered is not a business development strategy - choosing yourself is. In this episode of So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast For People, Minis with Megan, she talks about the exhausting reality that the same people are often given the same opportunities in law firms, conferences, and leadership spaces while others are left wondering, ‘why not me?’. But instead of waiting to be picked, Megan shares why choosing yourself and advocating for yourself while making yourself visible is one of the most important business development skills you can build. Who this episode is for: Lawyers feeling overlooked or stuck in their visibility efforts (online or in-person)Professionals waiting for opportunities, visibility, or leadership invitationsAnyone frustrated by inequity in networking, speaking, or business development opportunitiesPeople struggling to advocate for themselves and their workEpisode takeaways: Hoping to be discovered is not a business development strategyVisibility often comes from advocating for yourself, not waiting for permissionMany talented professionals stay invisible because they believe they need to be chosen firstRejection, silence, and unanswered pitches are part of the process, NOT proof you aren’t worthyBuilding your own path and community is often more powerful than trying to force your way into rooms that don’t want you there in the first placeBusiness development tips for building visibility:  Stop waiting to be noticed: Tell people what you wantPitch yourself for opportunities: Speaking, writing, leadership, and visibility all require action (write it, publish it, send the email)Get comfortable being uncomfortable: Confidence often comes after repetitionPivot instead of stopping: If one door closes, try a different roomFind your people: Focus on relationships with those who genuinely want to support youChoose yourself first: You do not need permission to advocate for your valueStay Connected: You do not need to wait for someone else to choose you. Advocate for yourself, build your path, and find your people.stage helps lawyers and legal teams build visibility, business development confidence, and relationship-first growth strategies that feel authentic, not tiring and performative. Learn more about stageConnect with Megan Senese Connect with Jennifer RamseyLove So Much To Say? Let us know! Drop a review, give us 5 stars in your favorite podcast app, and tell us what made you laugh, think, or just go “yep, that’s me.” Every review helps us reach more awesome humans who want to make legal…well, human.

    5 min
  4. What Makes Lawyers Stand Out to Law Firms? (with Albert Tawil, Founder of Lateral Hub)

    May 14

    What Makes Lawyers Stand Out to Law Firms? (with Albert Tawil, Founder of Lateral Hub)

    “You don't have to craft your resume to make it look like you've wanted to be a lawyer since kindergarten. Just show your authentic self.” - Albert Tawil What actually makes someone stand out in the legal industry? In this episode of So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast For People, Megan Senese and Jennifer Ramsey sit down with Albert Tawil, Founder and CEO of Lateral Hub, to talk about entrepreneurship, authenticity, legal recruiting, and why the most interesting thing about you might have absolutely nothing to do with the law. From starting a Costco delivery business before Instacart, to disrupting the traditional lateral recruiting model, to helping law students learn how to share the parts of themselves that make them memorable, this conversation is packed with practical insights and refreshing honesty. You’ll hear about: Why authenticity matters more than a perfectly curated legal resumeThe Costco delivery business that unexpectedly made Albert a standout candidateHow entrepreneurship shaped the way Albert approaches recruiting and businessThe origin story behind Lateral Hub and the inefficiencies it set out to solveWhy traditional legal recruiting can feel outdated and expensiveThe changing landscape of lateral hiringWhat firms are actually looking for in interviewsWhy being “well-rounded” is often more valuable than looking traditionally impressiveThe role creativity and adaptability play in legal careersWhat COVID changed about lateral hiring, remote work, and law firm cultureWhy some industries are ripe for disruption, and where legal may be headed nextAbout Albert Tawil: Albert Tawil is the Founder & CEO of Lateral Hub, a legal recruiting platform helping attorneys take a more transparent and efficient approach to lateral hiring. A former IP and Tech Transactions associate at Cleary Gottlieb and Fenwick & West, Albert launched Lateral Hub in 2022 after experiencing the lateral recruiting process firsthand and recognizing an opportunity to modernize it for both candidates and law firms. Since launching, Lateral Hub has become a growing resource for BigLaw laterals, law students, and recruiting teams navigating an increasingly competitive hiring landscape. Albert received his J.D. from New York University School of Law and lives in New Jersey with his wife and three children. Learn More: Check out Lateral HubStay Connected: Love So Much To Say? Let us know! Drop a review, give us 5 stars in your favorite podcast app, and tell us what made you laugh, think, or just go “yep, that’s me.” Every review helps us reach more awesome humans who want to make legal…well, human. Want to go deeper? Curious about 1:1 coaching with Megan or Jen? Or want the inside scoop on stage? Hit us up below, we’d love to chat! Learn more about stageConnect with Megan Senese Connect with Jennifer Ramsey

    35 min
  5. The 5 Most Important Things to Do After a Conference: You're Not Bad at Networking, Follow-Up (Minis with Megan)

    May 7

    The 5 Most Important Things to Do After a Conference: You're Not Bad at Networking, Follow-Up (Minis with Megan)

    Listener note: If you haven’t already, be sure to check out the previous episode, You’re Not Bad at Networking. You Were Only Taught One Way! on Apple or Spotify. You’ve just come back from a big conference, energized, exhausted, and you’re ready to take action. You had great conversations, made meaningful connections, and now you want to keep that momentum going but aren’t totally sure of where to begin. In this episode of Minis with Megan on So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast For People, Megan Senese offers 5 tips that help people focus on the part most people skip: the follow-up. Because the value of any conference isn’t just in who you meet, it’s in what you do next. Who this episode is for: Lawyers, legal marketers, and professionals returning from conferences or networking eventsAnyone struggling to keep momentum after meaningful in-person connectionsPeople overwhelmed by follow-up and unsure where to startHigh performers who want to turn conversations into lasting relationshipsEpisode takeaways: The real value of networking happens after the eventFollow-up often gets skipped—not from lack of intention, but lack of timeThere is no one “right” way to follow up—what matters is that you do itSmall, timely actions build trust and strengthen relationshipsMomentum fades quickly if you don’t capture and act on it5 things to do when you get home from a conference: Write a list of everyone you met: Names, companies, refer back to your photos, notebook, or notes appFollow through on what you promised: Referrals, intros, or simple check-ins build trustShare something valuable: Pass along insights, ideas, or “aha” moments from the event to colleagues or clientsKeep the conversation going: Set follow-up meetings, even if they’re weeks or months out to ensure nothing slips through the cracksReach out to missed connections: Follow up with people you didn’t meet or who couldn’t attend the eventStay Connected: Looking to build a more intentional, relationship-first approach to business development?stage helps lawyers and legal teams turn conversations into meaningful, long-term connections that actually drive growth. Learn more about stageConnect with Megan Senese Connect with Jennifer RamseyLove So Much To Say? Let us know! Drop a review, give us 5 stars in your favorite podcast app, and tell us what made you laugh, think, or just go “yep, that’s me.” Every review helps us reach more awesome humans who want to make legal…well, human.

    7 min
  6. What Happens When You Start Practicing Law Like an Innovator (with Vivek Jayaram)

    Apr 30

    What Happens When You Start Practicing Law Like an Innovator (with Vivek Jayaram)

    “ For all of us, which is the hardest thing to do, is to really try to reach your true self.” - Vivek Jayaram What if the problem isn’t the law…but how we talk about it? In this episode of So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast For People, Megan Senese and Jennifer Ramsey sit down with Vivek Jayaram, an IP attorney who’s rethinking what it means to be a lawyer, not just in how he practices, but in how he shows up, communicates, and builds relationships. From turning complex legal concepts into engaging Instagram content, to teaching intellectual property law through Taylor Swift (affectionately named “Blank Space”), to sitting in the room before the legal work even begins, this conversation challenges the traditional idea of what a “successful lawyer” looks like. It’s a conversation about creativity, courage, and choosing to do things differently, even when the industry as a whole tells you not to. You’ll hear about: Why law feels boring, and how storytelling changes everythingBuilding a platform by making legal concepts relatable (and actually interesting)The reality of getting comfortable on cameraWhy authenticity isn’t just a buzzword, it’s a competitive advantageTips for helping clients get to yesWhy many lawyers think too small about their role The long game of business development, and why most people quit too earlyWhy consistency matters more than talent when building visibilityThe impact of teaching law through pop cultureHow creativity shows up in unexpected places Redefining what success looks like for lawyersAbout Vivek Jayaram:  Vivek Jayaram is an attorney. But as Founder of Jayaram Law, he’s also a successful entrepreneur, which gives him a sound base for advising other entrepreneurs, creatives, and the companies they run. From groundbreaking artists and Web 3.0 innovators, to unique international brands in fashion and new media, Vivek handles their intellectual property transactions and disputes, corporate deals, and acts as an outside general counsel.  Alongside the day job, Vivek teaches intellectual property and entertainment law courses at the University of Miami Law School. Before Jayaram Law happened, he was an associate at Greenberg Traurig, as well as a law clerk to the Honorable Adalberto Jordan of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida. Beyond work, Vivek plays and records music, collects contemporary art, and loves to get lost in great cities. Learn More: Check out Jayaram LawThis episode is brought to you by Dealmakers Forums: Dealmakers Forums is a premier platform for high-impact networking and strategic deal-making in complex markets. Through flagship events across the U.S. and Europe, they convene a curated, senior-level community of investors, corporate leaders, funders, and counsel. Their focus is on delivering meaningful connections, market insight, and real business outcomes in litigation finance and intellectual property.For more information, visit Dealmakers Forums and view their upcoming event calendar. Stay Connected: Love So Much To Say? Let us know! Drop a review, give us 5 stars in your favorite podcast app, and tell us what made you laugh, think, or just go “yep, that’s me.” Every review helps us reach more awesome humans who want to make legal…well, human. Want to go deeper? Curious about 1:1 coaching with Megan or Jen? Or want the inside scoop on stage? Hit us up below, we’d love to chat! Learn more about stageConnect with Megan Senese Connect with Jennifer Ramsey

    42 min
  7. You’re Not Bad at Networking. You Were Only Taught One Way! (Minis with Megan)

    Apr 23

    You’re Not Bad at Networking. You Were Only Taught One Way! (Minis with Megan)

    If networking feels awkward, even at a senior level, you’re not the problem. Most lawyers and legal marketers have been taught a version that actually makes real connection harder. In this mini episode of So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast For People, Megan Senese challenges the way networking is typically framed in the legal industry. The version that says you need to work the room, prove your value, and leave with something to show for it. That version doesn’t just feel uncomfortable. It makes real connection harder. This episode offers a different approach. One rooted in curiosity, generosity, and the understanding that networking isn’t about what you get. It’s about how you show up and how you make people feel. Who this is for: Lawyers and legal marketers who feel awkward or drained at networking eventsProfessionals who leave conferences feeling like they didn’t “do enough”Anyone who believes they’re bad at networkingPeople under pressure to turn every interaction into ROIWhat you’ll take away:You’re not bad at networking. You’ve been taught a version that doesn’t workWhy even experienced professionals still feel uncomfortable at eventsHow the pressure to “get something” undermines connectionWhat shifts when you approach networking with curiosity instead of expectationWhy people remember how you made them feel, not what you saidA different way to approach your next event: Reach out to people you know will be there before you arriveLet people know you’re attending and invite connection in advanceFocus on meeting people, not making something happen Want more tips and insights? Connect with us! You don’t need to be someone else to be good at networking. You just need to connect. stage helps lawyers and legal teams rethink business development through a relationship-first approach: one that feels natural, sustainable, and effective over time. Learn more about stageConnect with Megan Senese Connect with Jennifer RamseyLove So Much To Say? Let us know! Drop a review, give us 5 stars in your favorite podcast app, and tell us what made you laugh, think, or just go “yep, that’s me.” Every review helps us reach more awesome humans who want to make legal…well, human.

    7 min
  8. Redefining Success in Law: What a ‘Career Quilt’ Actually Looks Like (With Ashley Herd, Founder of Manager Method and former in-house counsel)

    Apr 16

    Redefining Success in Law: What a ‘Career Quilt’ Actually Looks Like (With Ashley Herd, Founder of Manager Method and former in-house counsel)

    “I am redefining what success means to me.” - Ashley Herd What if the way we think about careers, leadership, and success is completely wrong? In this episode of So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast For People, Megan Senese and Jennifer Ramsey sit down with Ashley Herd, Founder of Manager Method, workplace expert, content creator, and author, to unpack what it actually means to lead, build a career, and show up as a human at work. Ashley shares her journey from employment lawyer to in-house counsel to entrepreneur, and how a non-linear “career quilt” ultimately led her to building a platform that’s reshaping how people think about management. Along the way, she gets real about burnout, identity shifts, and the uncomfortable truth that many workplace norms still prioritize speed over thoughtfulness, and hierarchy over humanity. This conversation is equal parts practical and perspective-shifting, especially for anyone working inside law firms, where influence often exists without authority. You’ll hear about: Why Ashley left law to build Manager MethodThe concept of a “career quilt” vs. a traditional career pathHow to lead and influence when you don’t have formal authorityThe Pause, Consider, Act framework — and why it matters more than everWhat legal marketers and lawyers can learn from in-house client perspectivesWhy asking your clients questions is still wildly underutilized (and powerful)The reality of workplace culture — and how it shows up when people resign“Luke” — the fictional (but very real) bad manager we’ve all worked withHow Ashley built her platform (and podcast) through simple, human outreachWhy redefining success might be the most important work you doAbout Ashley Herd: Ashley Herd is the founder of Manager Method, where she helps leaders become better managers through practical, human-centered approaches. A former employment lawyer and in-house counsel, Ashley now creates widely recognized workplace content across LinkedIn and social media, teaches leadership through her courses, and is the author of her recent book on modern management. Learn More: Check out Manager MethodBuy Ashley’s book, The Manager Method: A Practical Framework to Lead, Support, and Get ResultsThis episode is brought to you by HeyCounsel Starting and running your own law firm can be scary, and honestly, pretty lonely. But it doesn’t have to be. After nine years in-house, Brian Scherer set out on his own and realized something: lawyers at big firms have access to resources, connections, and support systems that solo and small firm lawyers often don’t. So he built HeyCounsel to change that. When you join the HeyCounsel community, you get immediate access to an insane amount of resources, templates, free CLEs, masterminds, exclusive events and discounts to tech and tools to run your practice. It's like having big-firm power without having to join a big firm. You can join HeyCounsel for less than $65/mo with our discount code "SOMUCH". To learn more about HeyCounsel, visit them at heycounsel.com. Stay Connected: Love So Much To Say? Let us know! Drop a review, give us 5 stars in your favorite podcast app, and tell us what made you laugh, think, or just go “yep, that’s me.” Every review helps us reach more awesome humans who want to make legal…well, human. Want to go deeper? Curious about 1:1 coaching with Megan or Jen? Or want the inside scoop on stage? Hit us up below, we’d love to chat! Learn more about stageConnect with Megan Senese Connect with Jennifer Ramsey

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Welcome to So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast For People where we explore the behind-the-scenes of work, law, life, and everything in between. We’re your hosts, business development and legal marketing coaches Jennifer Ramsey and Megan Senese, and we’re here to showcase the human side of the legal world, from marketing and consulting to the very real challenges of balancing ambitious careers with being human. This isn’t your typical, dry legal show. Instead, So Much To Say is a human-centered leadership, marketing, and culture podcast through the lens of law. We bring you real stories, candid conversations, and thoughtful insights that remind you that outside of being a lawyer or legal marketer, what makes you human matters too. So whether you’re navigating billable hours, building meaningful relationships, redefining success, or simply trying to stay human in a high-performance profession, this podcast is for you. Stay human. Stay inspired. Namaste (or whatever keeps you human).

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