Exodus Brothers: Deconstruction & Healing

Exodus Brothers
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The Exodus Brothers discuss growing up in Evangelical Christianity, their eventual deconstruction from religion, issues with the Bible and their journey towards healing.

  1. Episode 1

    Lilia Tarawa: Escaping the Gloriavale Cult

    What happens when the only world you’ve ever known tells you who you are allowed to be? In this episode we talk with Lilia Tarawa, who was born and raised inside the isolated Gloriavale Christian Cult in New Zealand — a place built on strict obedience, gender hierarchy, and total control over daily life. After leaving, Lilia went on to share her story publicly, including a TEDxTalk viewed by millions around the world. Lilia shares what it’s like growing up where questioning authority isn’t just discouraged, it’s unthinkable. We talk about how belief systems become identity, how doubt slowly forms even when you don’t have language for it, and what it costs to walk away when leaving means losing your family, your community, and your entire framework for reality. But this isn’t only a story about leaving. It’s about rebuilding a self from scratch. We discuss fear, freedom, guilt, autonomy, and the strange experience of learning how to make choices for the first time as an adult. Lilia also reflects on speaking publicly after escape, and why telling the story matters — not just for survivors, but for anyone trying to untangle belief from control. If you’ve ever wondered how someone leaves a closed religious system, or what comes after — be sure to listen.  Theme Music: Jenni Potts Follow Lilia Tarawa: @liliatarawa

    Lilia Tarawa: Escaping the Gloriavale Cult

  2. Episode 2

    Cast Out by the Church: Pastor’s Wife Alisa Oganisian’s Story

    Alisa fled Russia with her family to escape the war, hoping to find safety and a new beginning in the United States. But the hardest part of her journey was still ahead. After becoming involved in a controlling Charismatic Evangelical church, the life she thought she was building began to collapse. When her pastor husband realized he could no longer control her, their marriage ended. The church community she once trusted quickly turned against her — casting her out and spreading vicious accusations, even labeling her a “whore” simply for wanting to leave. Suddenly alone in a new country, Alisa found herself raising her two young daughters without support, while trying to rebuild her life from scratch. In this episode, Alisa shares her story — fleeing war, experiencing spiritual abuse, and finding the courage to walk away from a system that demanded her silence and submission. Theme Music: Jenni Potts   If you are moved by Alisa’s story and would like to help support her and her daughters during this difficult transition, we have created a GoFundMe to help with basic needs like housing, childcare, and stability while she rebuilds her life. Link below: GoFundMe: http://spot.fund/h8n7l87sc

    Cast Out by the Church: Pastor’s Wife Alisa Oganisian’s Story

  3. Episode 3

    Calvin Smith: Questioning the Unquestionable

    In this episode, we talk with Calvin Smith—better known as “Unquestionable Calvin”—an atheist content creator out of Plymouth, Michigan who’s been in the deconstruction space for years. He hosts live call-in debates, practices street epistemology, and creates content focused on helping people have real conversations about belief. We get into his approach, what he’s learned over the years, and how asking the right questions can open doors you didn’t even know were there. Theme music: Jenni Potts

    Calvin Smith: Questioning the Unquestionable

  4. Episode 4

    Bry Troyer: Exodus International, Coming Out, and Walking Away

    Bry Troyer grew up in a strict religious environment, where identity came with expectations—and deviation came with consequences. In this episode of Exodus Brothers, Bry shares what it was like realizing he was gay in a world that had no room for it. From a strained relationship with his father, who did not accept him for who he was and pressure to conform—his early life was shaped by silence, fear, and the hope that he could change. That hope led him to Exodus International, where he pursued conversion therapy in an attempt to become someone he wasn’t. What followed was a painful unraveling of belief, identity, and faith itself. We talk about the cost of suppression, the long road out of religious control, and the moment Bry chose honesty over survival. Today, he lives openly as a gay man—and no longer holds the beliefs that once defined his world. This is a story about rejection, reconstruction, and the difficult, necessary act of becoming yourself. Theme music: Jenni Potts

  5. Episode 5

    The Robinette Sisters: Surviving Exorcisms, Abuse, and the End Times

    In this episode of Exodus Brothers, we sit down with sisters Grace and Katie Robinette to hear a story shaped by fear, control, and survival inside a fundamentalist church culture in West Virginia. Raised in a family of nine and largely homeschooled, they were taught that obedience meant survival. Discipline was often public. Shame was normalized. Questioning authority wasn’t an option when every adult around you believed the same system. When Katie was a teenager, an exorcism was performed on her in their own living room — an experience that would leave a lasting mark. Within their church, everything was framed as spiritual warfare. Illness, doubt, even disability were blamed on sin. Fear of hell and the rapture hung over daily life. As they got older, both began to see the damage more clearly. In this episode, Grace and Katie share their story — growing up in a high-control religious environment, surviving abuse, and the long, complicated process of stepping outside a world that once defined everything.   Theme music: Jenni Potts

    The Robinette Sisters: Surviving Exorcisms, Abuse, and the End Times

  6. Episode 6

    Dr. Todd Phillips: The Deconstruction Of A Megachurch Pastor

    What happens when a pastor who spent more than two decades preaching Christianity begins to question whether he believes it himself? In this episode of Exodus Brothers, Micah and Jake sit down with Dr. Todd Phillips, a former megachurch pastor whose nearly decade-long journey of questioning ultimately led him to deconstruct his Christian faith. Todd takes us behind the scenes of life in megachurch ministry and shares what first began to crack his certainty, the questions he couldn’t shake, and how biblical scholarship, the geography of belief, and divine hiddenness transformed the way he understood Christianity. We talk about what it was like to preach while wrestling with doubt, why leaving the ministry meant losing far more than a career, the depression and grief that followed, and whether he ever wished he could simply believe again. Todd shares why his videos have connected with hundreds of thousands of people, and what it means to bring a pastoral voice into the deconstruction space. For anyone questioning their faith—or wondering what it’s like on the other side of the pulpit—this is a conversation about doubt, loss, identity, and finding purpose after certainty. Theme music: Jenni Potts Follow Dr. Todd Phillips: YouTube/Instagram/TikTok: @drtoddphillips

    Dr. Todd Phillips: The Deconstruction Of A Megachurch Pastor
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The Exodus Brothers discuss growing up in Evangelical Christianity, their eventual deconstruction from religion, issues with the Bible and their journey towards healing.

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