The Business of Cybersecurity

The Business of Cybersecurity is a podcast from the Tech Talks Network that explores where security and business strategy converge. Hosted by Neil C. Hughes, creator of the Tech Talks Daily Podcast, this series examines how today’s enterprises are managing cyber risk while still moving fast and innovating. Through insightful conversations with industry leaders, CISOs, product strategists, and security architects, the podcast brings clarity to the real-world decisions shaping cybersecurity in modern business. Each episode dives into how companies are responding to regulatory pressure, increasing complexity in cloud environments, and rising expectations from boards and customers. From AI-driven defense and zero trust to skills gaps and risk quantification, we go beyond technical jargon to explore what actually works—and what doesn’t—on the road to building resilient organisations. Whether you're leading a security team, sitting at the executive table, or simply want to understand the business impact of cybersecurity, this podcast offers honest, grounded perspectives designed to help you make better decisions in an environment that never stands still. Search Tech Talks Network to discover more shows covering the voices at the heart of enterprise technology.

  1. 12h ago

    Breaking attacker tactics with cyber containment and Illumio

    What if the best way to prepare for the next cyberattack is to stop obsessing over every new tool and study the moves attackers still need to make? In this episode of The Business of Cybersecurity, I welcome back Raghu Nandakumara, VP of Industry Strategy at Illumio, for a practical conversation about attacker tactics, lateral movement, zero trust, microsegmentation, and cyberattack containment. Security news often emphasizes the latest exploit, malware strain, or AI capability. Raghu argues that the underlying structure of an attack remains much more predictable. Whether the intruder is a nation-state actor, a less experienced criminal, or an autonomous system, it still needs to enter a target environment, find a route through it, and reach an objective such as stealing data or taking systems offline. That distinction between tactics and techniques matters because defenders cannot anticipate every future method. They can, however, make each stage of an intrusion harder. Raghu compares the sequence he describes in a recent frontier-model security incident with the Target breach from over a decade earlier. The technology and procedures differed, but both involved access, credentials, lateral movement, and a final objective. We also discuss the difficulty created by the volume of security telemetry. More alerts do not automatically produce better decisions. Raghu explains why data needs context about applications, identities, connections, and vulnerabilities before an analyst or AI system can connect events and identify the risks that deserve attention. For Raghu, zero trust reduces the implicit access attackers rely on after entering a network. Microsegmentation can limit how far they move, force them to take additional actions, and create signals that improve the chance of detection. This reframes containment as a control designed before an incident rather than a response improvised after one. The conversation also challenges the idea that initial access proves prevention has failed. Preventing every attack is unrealistic, but leaders can measure whether controls contained the blast radius, protected business operations, and stopped the intruder from reaching valuable systems. Raghu describes prevention, detection, and containment as a three-legged stool, because relying on only two leaves the defense far less stable. Finally, we consider tool sprawl and testing. Raghu uses the Swiss cheese model to explain why identity, endpoint, network, cloud, and incident-response teams must understand how their controls overlap. Mapping those controls against MITRE ATT&CK or the Lockheed Martin Cyber Kill Chain can reveal an open path through the organization. He also argues that red-team exercises should resemble real attacks rather than rehearsals announced inside a comfortable change window. Would your security controls interrupt an attacker under real conditions, or have they mainly proved themselves when everyone knew the test was coming? Listen to the conversation and share your thoughts with me.

    Breaking attacker tactics with cyber containment and Illumio
  2. Oct 26

    When the Perfect Job Candidate Is a Deepfake With Cyberr

    Would your hiring process recognize a convincing deepfake candidate before that person received access to company systems and data? In this episode of Business of Cybersecurity, I speak with Samantha Swift, Chief Marketing Officer at Cyberr and a cybersecurity practitioner with 27 years of experience spanning technical support, incident response, product development, industry roles and marketing. Samantha brings the kind of perspective that is difficult to acquire from a marketing handbook because she has spent years working alongside the people who buy, use and defend security technology. The conversation centers on a remarkable hiring incident at Cyberr. A candidate applying for a back-end engineering role arrived with a strong CV, a polished professional profile and apparently relevant experience. On paper, the match looked almost perfect. During the video interview, however, small inconsistencies began to appear. The voice and image were slightly out of sync, the candidate looked unusually processed, nonverbal sounds exposed a different accent, and answers about Cyberr were weaker than the carefully prepared technical responses. The interviewer's personal connection to Moldova and knowledge of Romanian produced another unexpected test. When he offered to continue the interview in Romanian, the candidate declined. The final check came when the applicant was asked to place a hand in front of his face. Samantha explains that this type of movement can break a live facial filter, and the candidate refused. The call ended soon afterward. The follow-up investigation found a recently created LinkedIn profile that soon disappeared, a purchasable Romanian phone number and an email address disconnected from the identity being presented. An investigative journalist familiar with nation-state activity told Samantha that elements of the email format resembled known tactics, but he could not confirm the source with certainty. That distinction matters. The attempt may have involved a state-linked actor, another criminal group or an individual using similar methods. The verified point is that Cyberr was targeted by somebody attempting to enter the company under a false identity. We discuss why the security response cannot depend on spotting visual glitches forever. Deepfake audio and video will continue to improve, and legitimate candidates should not be made to feel guilty before an interview begins. Samantha recommends starting identity and background checks earlier, matching the level of scrutiny to the access and risk attached to the role, and using video from the first talent-acquisition conversation. Hiring teams also need guidance on what information they can share because an applicant may begin social engineering before the technical interview. The risk continues after an offer is made. Criminal groups can pay local accomplices to receive company laptops, install software or forward devices, creating a believable local presence for a remote employee. This turns equipment delivery, identity checking and employee monitoring into connected parts of the same security process. We finish by discussing cybersecurity hiring, nontraditional career routes, ID-verified professional communities and the need for smaller businesses to access trusted security expertise without enterprise-sized budgets. If a candidate, product or professional profile looks perfect, what additional evidence would earn your trust? Share your thoughts and experiences with me.

    When the Perfect Job Candidate Is a Deepfake With Cyberr
  3. Oct 21

    Cyber Risk Is a Myth and the Business Owns the Outcome

    Who owns a technology-related business risk when revenue, operations, customer trust or regulatory standing are at stake? In this episode of Business of Cybersecurity, I speak with Kayne McGladrey, a two-time CISO, independent fractional and virtual CISO, Senior Member of IEEE, and author of Cyber Risk Is a Myth: A Business Approach to Integrated Risk Management. Kayne argues that calling something a cyber risk can create distance between the people who understand the technology and the people who own the business outcome. When the CISO is expected to accept a risk attached to someone else’s profit and loss statement, accountability becomes blurred and business leaders may make decisions without seeing the security dependencies beneath them. We discuss how companies can replace technical severity scores and vulnerability counts with a shared language based on financial exposure, operations, reputation and regulatory impact. Kayne explains why each entry in a risk register should have a named business owner, while the security team identifies, quantifies, translates and monitors the exposure. The conversation also covers the difference between documenting risk and using it to guide investment. A useful risk register should help executives compare exposure across business areas, connect controls to expected outcomes and track residual risk over time. This reframes the budget conversation from how much security costs to how much risk an investment reduces. Kayne also explains why clean audits, insurance policies and written controls do not prove that a company can recover from an incident. Tabletop exercises, technical recovery tests and rehearsed decision paths provide stronger evidence of readiness. For board members, he offers practical questions about ownership, integrated reporting, business metrics and cross-functional reviews after incidents. What evidence would show that cybersecurity is part of enterprise risk management in your organization, rather than a separate technical function? Listen to the conversation and share your thoughts with me.

    Cyber Risk Is a Myth and the Business Owns the Outcome
  4. Oct 18

    When Voice and Face No Longer Prove Identity With HYPR

    What happens to identity security when an attacker can copy an executive's voice, face, and employment history using inexpensive tools? In this episode of The Business of Cybersecurity, I speak with Bojan Simic, CEO and co-founder of HYPR, about the effect of generative AI on impersonation, credential recovery, and help desk security. HYPR is a New York cybersecurity company focused on identity-based attacks. Bojan says identity-related events account for between 60 and 80 percent of incidents, depending on the security report being used, and his team helps organizations find and repair weak points across the identity chain. The demonstration during our conversation makes the risk unusually tangible. Bojan changes his on-screen face into mine using software running on his local computer. The result is not flawless, but it is convincing enough to show why a familiar face on a video call can no longer be accepted as evidence by itself. With additional preparation, an attacker can also clone a voice, gather employment details from public profiles, and automate much of the reconnaissance that previously required repeated manual calls. Bojan argues that asking employees to recognize every deepfake repeats an old cybersecurity mistake. Phishing simulations showed how quickly people return to normal working habits after training. Help desk staff are trying to resolve problems, support colleagues, and close tickets. They should not be expected to determine whether a distressed caller, senior executive, or remote employee has been digitally recreated. One hospital example illustrates the weakness of knowledge-based checks. According to Bojan, an attacker called the help desk while pretending to be a doctor but did not know the required four-digit PIN. The attacker then called the doctor while posing as the IT team, obtained the PIN, returned to the help desk, and gained access to the account. The process technically followed policy, yet the policy relied on information that could be socially engineered. We discuss how the same attack can become faster through AI. A system can call the help desk, discover which questions are asked, search public sources for the answers, call the employee when information remains missing, and return with the required details. Requiring video does not solve the problem when faces can also be recreated. The conversation also covers continuous identity proofing. Instead of treating verification as an event completed during onboarding, companies can request stronger evidence when behavior changes. A new device, unfamiliar operating system, first-time access to a sensitive application, return from a long absence, or promotion into privileged access can all justify another check. Routine work from a known device should remain straightforward, allowing friction to appear when the risk changes rather than during every action. Privacy deserves equal attention. Bojan acknowledges that employees in some countries may resist location, document, or biometric checks. His recommendation is to explain what is collected, whether it is retained, and what alternatives exist. An employee who declines remote verification can be offered an in-person process. That gives people a choice while preserving the security requirement. The most immediate action is to test password recovery and credential reset. Bojan advises moving those functions away from phone-based help desks and into a self-service process that combines device, location, or document verification. He says credential resets account for roughly 30 to 40 percent of help desk calls, so the change may also reduce support demand. Could a cloned executive, remote worker, or doctor pass your current recovery checks, and which independent signal would stop them? Listen to the episode and share your thoughts with me.

    When Voice and Face No Longer Prove Identity With HYPR
  5. Oct 8

    Breaking Normalcy Bias in the SOC With Coalition Security

    What happens when security analysts encounter so many false positives that dismissing alerts becomes an automatic response? In this episode of The Business of Cybersecurity, I’m joined by Tim MalcomVetter, General Manager of Coalition Security and co-founder of WireSpeed. Tim brings 26 years of practitioner experience, including building and running Walmart’s red team and leading a managed security operation serving hundreds of enterprise clients. Tim believes the familiar phrase “alert fatigue” fails to describe the full operational risk. When analysts repeatedly investigate events that lead nowhere, their judgment can gradually recalibrate. An unusual event starts to resemble another routine item in the queue. That normalcy bias is especially dangerous when analysts have limited customer context, strict response targets and thousands of additional alerts waiting behind the current case. We discuss how AI-amplified attacks change the timing. Tim explains that defenders may begin several minutes behind because endpoint events must be collected, processed and passed into security systems before a response can begin. Attackers can combine AI-assisted preparation with deterministic tools that execute in milliseconds once they reach an environment. Even if both sides have access to capable models, the defender may already be running a delayed race. There is another complication. AI analysis consumes tokens, and security teams rarely have an unlimited budget. Tim expects attackers to use lower-severity techniques that may sit below the threshold organizations send for expensive AI investigation. At the same time, security vendors have a commercial incentive to report broad telemetry because being accused of missing an incident carries serious consequences. The result can be greater visibility, but it can also place additional noise in front of already stretched teams. Tim offers a practical model for deciding where different forms of intelligence belong. Deterministic code should handle the widest possible set of known and repeatable decisions. AI can interpret ambiguous or semi-structured material, such as suspicious process trees and living-off-the-land activity. Human analysts then provide judgment, supervision and investigation where neither layer can produce sufficient confidence. We also examine WireSpeed’s approach to learning from errors. Tim describes replacing the traditional alert funnel with a straight pipe that routes events toward a verdict, while people statistically sample the results. When the system makes a mistake, the team investigates the defect, corrects it and converts the sanitized case into a unit test. That approach aims to stop the same failure from being repeated across analysts or software releases. AI can help security teams process context, but probabilistic output also creates testing, consistency and supply-chain questions when models change. How should your organization divide responsibility between code, AI and people, and has your SOC reduced false positives or simply learned to live with them? Listen to the conversation and share your thoughts with me.

    Breaking Normalcy Bias in the SOC With Coalition Security
  6. Sep 27

    Why AI Gives Cyber Attackers the Early Advantage With IEEE

    Can defenders keep pace when generative AI gives attackers faster ways to create convincing phishing messages, research targets, and test new attack methods? In this episode of The Business of Cybersecurity, I speak with Professor Steven Furnell from the University of Nottingham for an IEEE conversation about AI-enabled threats, security awareness, passkeys, cyber hygiene, and the continuing gap between cybersecurity policy and everyday practice. Steven explains why the current AI contest does not give either side exclusive access to powerful technology. Attackers, however, often gain the early advantage because they use it to create opportunity and set the agenda. Defenders are then left identifying the new behavior, adapting controls, and managing the extra work. Generative AI also removes much of the effort once required to research an organization and produce credible spear-phishing messages, making familiar advice about spelling errors and obvious scams less useful than it once was. We discuss whether passkeys could finally reduce our dependence on passwords and why adoption will still require technical preparation and clear communication with users. A control may improve security while adding friction, so businesses must consider how authentication, updates, access controls, and other interventions fit into real working routines. Steven also points to a recurring problem in cybersecurity awareness. Fewer than one in five organizations in the UK Cyber Security Breaches Survey reported staff awareness training in the previous 12 months, according to the figures he discusses. Even where annual training exists, watching a video and answering questions may satisfy a compliance requirement without showing whether an employee can respond effectively when a real incident occurs. For smaller organizations that find security frameworks overwhelming, Steven recommends Cyber Essentials as a practical baseline. We also discuss secure design, the difficulty of regulation keeping pace with technology, and the Cyber Games Lab activities created at the University of Nottingham. Hacker Whacker and Cyber Defense Dice use play and conversation to make cyber education easier to understand for young people and business audiences. What would improve security behavior inside your organization, another annual training module or regular opportunities to practice realistic decisions? Listen to the episode and share your thoughts.

    Why AI Gives Cyber Attackers the Early Advantage With IEEE
  7. Sep 23

    Closing the Forgotten SaaS Account Security Gap With Kaseya

    Could your security team produce an accurate list of every employee, contractor, guest account, application, and AI agent with access to your SaaS environment today? In this episode of The Business of Cybersecurity, I speak with Jim Lippie, Chief Product Officer at Kaseya, about findings from the company’s latest SaaS security research. The report draws on anonymized activity from the SaaS Alerts platform, covering 27 billion security events across 50,000 organizations. One finding immediately stands out. Only 44% of monitored organizations were using multifactor authentication. When the research began in 2022, the figure was 32%. Four years of heightened cyber awareness have therefore produced an increase of only 12 percentage points. The report also found that guest accounts represented 69% of monitored accounts. This means guest users outnumbered licensed users by over two to one. Jim explains how these accounts accumulate. A consultant, contractor, or temporary employee receives access to company systems, completes the work, and leaves. The account remains because nobody owns the process of removing it. Over time, these forgotten identities create unattended routes into business data and applications. Our conversation examines how SaaS has changed the security perimeter. Employees no longer need to be inside an office or connected through a corporate network. A browser, valid credentials, and access to a cloud application may be enough. Security teams must therefore monitor user behavior, permissions, locations, and unusual patterns rather than relying on controls designed around the office firewall. AI agents add another category of identity. An autonomous system performing workflow tasks may require access to files, email, customer data, financial systems, or internal applications. Jim argues that these agents should be treated like users, with defined permissions and continuous behavior monitoring. We also discuss the tension created by easy collaboration. The report found that 34% of monitored file sharing traveled outside the organization. That sharing may be legitimate, but businesses need to understand which information has left, who received it, and whether access remains appropriate. Jim’s advice is deliberately practical. Begin with a complete assessment of the environment. Identify every account and application, require MFA, give guest access an expiration date, monitor behavior, and use overlapping security controls where a second source of evidence can expose missed activity. Does your organization have genuine visibility across its SaaS environment, or are forgotten accounts and unmonitored identities creating doors nobody remembers opening? Listen to the episode and share your thoughts with me.

    Closing the Forgotten SaaS Account Security Gap With Kaseya
  8. Sep 12

    Reducing Fifty Thousand Cyber Alerts to Fifty Decisions With Tanium

    What happens when a security team receives 50,000 alerts but only 50 genuinely need human attention? In this episode of The Business of Cybersecurity, I speak with Harman Kaur, CTO of Tanium and a reserve cyber officer in the U.S. Air Force, about how AI is changing the pace, structure, and responsibilities of modern security operations. The long-running cybersecurity talent shortage has not disappeared, but Harman believes the conversation is changing. Security teams now have tools that can assist with specialist work, which places greater weight on processes, interpretation, and decision-making. Training increasingly includes knowing how to ask the right question, assess an AI-generated response, and decide whether the proposed action makes sense. That change matters because the old pattern of threat response is becoming too slow. Security teams once had time to identify a threat trend, respond to it, and prepare for the next one. Harman says those cycles can now collapse to seconds as AI helps attackers find vulnerabilities and develop exploits. Defenders therefore need to consider whether the same technology can support remediation and patch creation at a comparable pace. We discuss why traditional scripted automation cannot solve this problem by making the existing workflow slightly faster. If an analyst can manually process 100 alerts and automation raises that number to 200, the improvement offers little comfort when the queue reaches thousands or hundreds of thousands. Harman argues that organizations need to reconsider how the security operation itself is designed while retaining people as judges for decisions with meaningful consequences. Autonomy, in her view, should be treated as a spectrum rather than an all-or-nothing destination. One process may be suitable for full automation, another may require approval, and a third may remain entirely human-led. That approach also helps CIOs and CTOs respond to pressure for rapid AI adoption without pretending that a single governance model can answer every risk. Harman also warns against allowing the AI conversation to distract teams from familiar security weaknesses. Shadow AI matters, and companies need visibility into the models and tools being used across the organization. At the same time, phishing, compromised credentials, unpatched machines, end-of-life devices, unused applications, and exposed ports remain common sources of risk. AI may amplify those weaknesses, but it does not erase the need to address them. The episode’s clearest example concerns alert fatigue. Harman describes an AI system that processes and triages alerts while reporting its confidence and showing how it reached its conclusion. Verification mechanisms can then ask what additional context should be considered. The goal is to narrow 50,000 alerts to perhaps 50 that deserve manual investigation, giving analysts a manageable decision set without asking them to trust a model blindly. We also discuss operational resilience and why prevention must begin before a security alert appears. Harman challenges organizations to explain why routine patching is not automated in 2026, while recognizing that no company can apply every patch instantly. Reducing the attack surface by removing unused applications and closing unnecessary ports can make the business a smaller target while teams address the vulnerabilities that matter most. Finally, Harman asks leaders to question why they are applying AI to a given problem. Some tasks can be handled by established automation. If the organization chart, business processes, and toolset look exactly the same after an AI program, the company may have added technology without redesigning the work. Where should your organization allow AI to act, where should it advise, and where must a person make the final decision? Listen to the episode and share your thoughts.

    Reducing Fifty Thousand Cyber Alerts to Fifty Decisions With Tanium

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The Business of Cybersecurity is a podcast from the Tech Talks Network that explores where security and business strategy converge. Hosted by Neil C. Hughes, creator of the Tech Talks Daily Podcast, this series examines how today’s enterprises are managing cyber risk while still moving fast and innovating. Through insightful conversations with industry leaders, CISOs, product strategists, and security architects, the podcast brings clarity to the real-world decisions shaping cybersecurity in modern business. Each episode dives into how companies are responding to regulatory pressure, increasing complexity in cloud environments, and rising expectations from boards and customers. From AI-driven defense and zero trust to skills gaps and risk quantification, we go beyond technical jargon to explore what actually works—and what doesn’t—on the road to building resilient organisations. Whether you're leading a security team, sitting at the executive table, or simply want to understand the business impact of cybersecurity, this podcast offers honest, grounded perspectives designed to help you make better decisions in an environment that never stands still. Search Tech Talks Network to discover more shows covering the voices at the heart of enterprise technology.

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