Legal Late Night

The Legal Broadcasting Company
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Hosted by Jared Correia, Legal Late Night is a weekly, pop culture-infused romp through the latest & greatest business management ideas and technology tips for lawyers, featuring engaging guests, and constructed in the format of an old school television variety show.

  1. Kirkland and Ellis's Half Billion Dollar AI Play and Taly Goody on Building a Niche Law Firm

    3d ago

    Kirkland and Ellis's Half Billion Dollar AI Play and Taly Goody on Building a Niche Law Firm

    Kirkland and Ellis decided to drop a cool half-billion dollars on a proprietary artificial intelligence platform just to avoid paying third-party licensing fees. They claim it is an assistive tool meant to empower their army of associates, but history proves that when massive corporate empires train data models on their own workers, the ultimate goal is elimination rather than optimization. From unholy tech alliances with Palantir to profit-margin schemes designed to strip human attorneys out of the loop, the highest-grossing law firm in the world is acting like a classic Bond villain trying to automate the legal ecosystem. Fortunately, building a thriving law firm from the ground up does not require a structural empire or five hundred million dollars in capital. Taly Goody, founder of the Goody Law Group, joins the show to share how she abandoned a stagnant career in high-end art law to launch her own practice from the comfort of a local gym cafe. By leveraging early viral TikTok marketing and scaling a litigation powerhouse alongside her spouse, she constructed an independent firm centered on authentic human connection rather than corporate automation. If tech giants and big law syndicates are actively building systems to automate human advocacy, isn't owning your own autonomy the ultimate survival strategy for the modern attorney? The Big Law Automation Blueprint — Breaking down Kirkland's massive capital deployment and why data training models are a gateway to replacing traditional associate infrastructure.The Viral Growth Playbook — How a zero-dollar social media strategy beat out multi-million dollar billboard syndicates and brought in premier contingency cases during the pandemic.The AI Vetting Reality — A candid assessment of implementing modern tech workflows, from failed records collection automation to building customized prompts inside Claude.Learn more about Taly Goody and the Goody Law Group. Check out our Spotify Playlist. (00:00) - Kirkland and Ellis's Half Billion Dollar AI Play (03:45) - Privacy Realities and Replacing Human Attorneys (08:29) - The Palantir Tech Alliance and Big Law Ethics (11:54) - Meet Taly Goody of the Goody Law Group (15:16) - From High End Art Law Brokerage to Solo Practice (21:26) - Early TikTok Mastery and Fighting Billboard Marketing Budgets (24:24) - Spousal Partnerships and Managing Team Systems (27:22) - Vetting Legal AI Software and Claude Automations (31:47) - Female Founder Autonomy and Flexible Firm Scheduling (40:41) - Counter Program and the Just How Broke Am I Trivia Game (56:04) - Outro and the All Goody in the Hoodie Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.

    57 min
  2. Karin Conroy on Conroy Creative Counsel, AI, and Podcasting

    Jun 4

    Karin Conroy on Conroy Creative Counsel, AI, and Podcasting

    Modern artificial intelligence runs on natural language processing, making it a playground for the professionals who treat words like weapons. Jared Correia breaks down why lawyers are structurally and rhetorically built to dominate the AI chain of command, transforming strict chatbots into elite thinking partners. Because when an affirmation engine demands meticulous oversight, effective human-in-the-loop restrictions, and expert legal prompt iteration, it takes a master of discourse to pull the real value out of data centers without triggering a malpractice nightmare. But mastering the machine's inputs is only half the battle when your law firm's external messaging is still trapped in the dial-up era. Legal marketing pioneer Karin Conroy of Conroy Creative Counsel joins the show to share her journey from running a California internet cafe at the turn of the century to building the foundational strategies of modern digital law practice. The Ultimate AI Human — Why an attorney's training in rhetoric, shades of argumentation, and precise language makes them the perfect prompt engineers.The Hacked Website Origin — How a chance meeting with a compromised web platform turned into a legendary, multi-decade partnership with a top podcast producer.The Death of Audio Only — Why leaving your show off of YouTube is no longer just a missed opportunity but a massive operational mistake.Learn more about Karin Conroy.Learn more about Conroy Creative Counsel.Subscribe to the Counsel Cast Podcast. Check out our Spotify playlist. (00:00) - Introduction and the AI Advantage (01:40) - Why Attorneys Are Built for Prompt Engineering (03:34) - Human in the Loop Malpractice Risks and Savings (05:39) - Pancake Consistency Debate and Willy Wonka Trivia (08:26) - Digital Legal History and the Best Website Contest (10:56) - Laguna Beach Internet Cafes and the Early Web Design Days (16:32) - Cocktail Party Statements and the Early Era of Business Podcasting (24:22) - Analytical Podcasting Systems and Overcoming Growth Hurdles (32:53) - Shifting to a YouTube and Video Content First Format (35:28) - Counter Program and the Famous Teamups Trivia Game (44:00) - From American Oligarch Campers to Space Handshakes (49:39) - Outro and Duet Playlists Click here to view the episode transcript.

    52 min
  3. Harshita Ganesh on Reclaiming Content Control for Women

    May 21

    Harshita Ganesh on Reclaiming Content Control for Women

    Forty years later, Jared is still licking his wounds after Transformers: the Movie traumatized an entire generation of kids. Now, inspired by the upcoming "apology tour" for the movie, Jared looks back at the audacity of the remarkable number of shows developed in the 80s and 90s solely to market toy lines. Pure capitalism at it's finest. But while we can laugh at the audacity of brazen 80s consumerism, there's a lot less to laugh at in the modern marketplace. Harshita Ganesh of CMBG3 Law joins the show to dissect the legal battle against non-consensual deepfake pornography. Anyone want to place bets on whether the AI giants of our day will do an apology tour in our lifetimes? Learn more about Harshita and CMBG3. Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Follow Jared on LinkedIn. Check out our Spotify Playlist for this episode. Click here to view the episode transcript.

    1 hr
  4. Diana Scott on the Future of Managed IT and Managed AI Governance for Lawyers

    May 14

    Diana Scott on the Future of Managed IT and Managed AI Governance for Lawyers

    If you’re looking to grow your law firm, stop thinking about hiring "workers" and start thinking about acquiring revenue centers. In this episode, we break down the dopamine hit of growth by acquisition—from snagging an attorney with a portable book of business to buying an entire practice for 1X gross annual revenue. It’s a top-shelf strategy to expedite your total firm revenue and ramp profitability without the soul-crushing administrative burden of building from scratch.  We’re joined by Diana Scott, founder of BlueCastle IT Solutions, who navigated the IT "sausage party" to build a managed service provider that actually makes sense. We move past the era of the "break-fix" guy with mustard on his shirt to a layered approach to data security that’s as essential as the jalapeños on a plate of nachos. Diana explains how to fix the "leaky roof" of your firm's security using the 3-2-1 backup rule and why end-user education is your only hope against phishers. We also address the "cocaine for babies" phase of AI adoption. If you’re giving a third-party AI agent like Claude full access to your desktop, you’re basically inviting indiscernible clumps of "AI slop" into your HR and financial folders. Diana outlines the Managed AI Studio model, using API governance to save money and keep your firm’s PII under lock and key. It’s time to move your law firm IT into the cloud era before your perpetual software drops off the face of the earth. We wrap up with a high-energy spin of the Wheel of Justice, covering everything from prehistoric animals to the legendary "Brass Bonanza" theme of the Hartford Whalers. Whether you’re a "dad core" enthusiast in a heated recliner or just trying to survive the virulent weasels of New England IT, this episode is sterling. Learn more about Diana Scott and BlueCastle IT. Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Follow Jared on LinkedIn. Check out our Spotify Playlist for this episode. (00:00) - Intro: Law Firm Growth and Expansion (00:44) - The Reality of Growing a Service Business (01:37) - Acquiring a Book of Business vs. Just a Worker (02:30) - Backups for Retiring Lawyers: Cases for No Money (03:23) - Valuing a Law Firm Purchase at 1X Revenue (05:07) - Meet Diana Scott: From Anthropology to PC Gaming (07:45) - The Auditor's Path: Sociology and IT Work-Study (10:55) - The "Sausage Party": Being a Woman in Engineering (12:20) - Audacity and the Launch of BlueCastle IT (16:19) - The Death of Break-Fix: Why You Need an MSP (18:42) - The Leaky Roof: Selling Invisible IT Solutions (21:47) - The Layered Nacho Approach to Data Security (24:13) - Phishing and Holding the Door for Strangers (25:24) - Handling a Breach: Reporting and Insurance (28:47) - Managed AI Services: Proactive Governance (31:23) - Managed AI Studio: API vs. Desktop Apps (33:12) - The Risk of AI Desktop Agents (37:12) - The Inevitable Move to SaaS and Cloud (39:13) - Remote Support in a Post-COVID Landscape (41:57) - Counter Program: The Wheel of Justice (44:38) - The 3-2-1 Rule for Data Backup (47:00) - Civic Hatchbacks and Sony Blu-ray Laptops (50:41) - Toothpaste Tech: Bite Bits and Paper Straws (52:05) - Brass Bonanza: The Hartford Whalers and UConn (53:16) - Outro: The Castles Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.

    55 min
  5. Interstellar, Inversion, and International Tax: A Deep Dive with Jamie Zug

    May 7

    Interstellar, Inversion, and International Tax: A Deep Dive with Jamie Zug

    Jared Correia opens with a "Homeric catalog" ranking his top five Christopher Nolan films, placing Interstellar at the top of the list for its meticulous execution and devastating emotional core. The monologue also previews Nolan’s upcoming project, The Odyssey, which Jared predicts will be a "straight fire" swords-and-sandals epic. The guest interview features Jamie Zug, a tax attorney and founder of Dispatch Tailor. Jamie shares a unique journey through law school as a single parent, which fostered a deep appreciation for professional flexibility—a core value now integrated into the Dispatch Tailor business model. Jamie discusses the "accidental" love affair with the statutory minutia of tax and ERISA, as well as the transition from government litigation at the New Jersey Division of Taxation to solo practice. A central focus of the conversation is Dispatch Tailor, an operational support program that pairs "executive functioning superstars"—often talented caregivers seeking flexible work—with neurodivergent professionals to manage administrative burdens. Jamie also reveals a cutting-edge approach to AI, utilizing a tokenized "white label" layer that strips personally identifiable information (PII) from data before it hits models like Claude or ChatGPT, then "rehydrates" the response for the user. Finally, the "Counter Program" explores the unique culture of New Jersey. Jamie confirms that full-service gas is a "non-negotiable" luxury for residents and explains the existence of the elusive "Central Jersey". The episode wraps with a look at the "Pine Barrens," a million-acre ecological wonder and home to the legendary Jersey Devil. Learn more about Dispatch Tailor and Jamie Zug Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Follow Jared on LinkedIn. Check out our Spotify Playlist for this episode. (00:00) - Intro: Christopher Nolan Rankings (00:45) - The "Dad Core" Cinema of Sir Christopher Nolan (01:42) - Honorable Mentions: Memento and Tenet (06:05) - #5: Oppenheimer and the Barbenheimer Summer (08:07) - #4: Inception and the Art of Subconscious Espionage (09:57) - #3: The Prestige and the Science of Identity (12:20) - #2: The Dark Knight and the Best Superhero Movie Ever (13:38) - #1: Interstellar and the Father-Daughter Love Story (16:40) - Previewing Nolan’s "The Odyssey" (20:15) - Interview: Jamie Zug on Flexible Law School Paths (24:45) - Falling in Love with the Minutia of Tax and ERISA (28:34) - Transgender Advocacy and Local Support (33:24) - Transitioning from State Government to Solo Practice (39:31) - Dispatch Tailor: Supporting Neurodiverse Professionals (42:34) - Managing Talent: Deserving Freedom to Thrive (44:24) - AI Tokenization: Protecting PII in LLMs (47:35) - Counter Program: Shit New Jerseyans Say (48:58) - The Gas Station Commandment: Never Pump Your Own (50:30) - The Mystery of the Jug Handle Turn (53:55) - Coffee Snobbery and Wawa Hoagies (56:57) - The Million-Acre Pine Barrens and the Jersey Devil (01:00:16) - Outro: The "Voyages" Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.

    1h 1m
  6. People, Process, Tech: Why Your Law Firm Marketing Data is "Dirty"

    Apr 30

    People, Process, Tech: Why Your Law Firm Marketing Data is "Dirty"

    Jared Correia kicks us off by tackling the "razor's edge" of associate management: how do you train attorneys to be rainmakers without accelerating their departure to start a competing firm? Jared argues that withholding professional development is a losing game and suggests a joint strategy of "firm-sanctioned" self-promotion—leveraging associate content for SEO/AEO backlinks while providing "swimming lessons" in networking through partner-led mentorship. In the interview, we bring on Ron Latz, founder of Legal Fenix, who shares his journey from playing college hockey and touring in a synth-metal band to becoming a "fractional CMO" for law firms. Ron explains why he launched Legal Fenix to stop the "blame pie" between firms and agencies, emphasizing a "People, Process, Technology" order of operations. We also dive into the "Fenix" merger with Rob Williams (Elevamp), the complexities of HubSpot vs. Legal CRMs, and the critical importance of data hygiene in tracking everything from Marketing Qualified Leads (MQL) to total acquisition costs . Finally, Ron finds himself facing the "Like The Fenix" comeback trivia, proving he might need a refresher on Rocky Balboa. Learn more about Ron and Legal Fenix. Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Follow Jared on LinkedIn. Check out our Spotify Playlist for this episode. (00:00) - Intro: The Associate Hiring Tightrope (00:44) - The Risk of Training Future Competitors (02:41) - Developing People Without "Arresting Development" (03:42) - Joint Authorship: Leveraging SEO & AEO Backlinks (04:30) - Marketing Mentors: The "Swimming Lesson" Model (05:27) - Learning from Associates: Using Gen Z as a Focus Group (07:36) - Interview: Ron Latz’s Origin Story (08:29) - College Hockey and the "Beer League" Reality (10:22) - "Up In Arms": The Synth-Metal Band Days (13:02) - School of Hard Knocks: The 15-Year Evolution of Legal SEO (14:02) - Launching Legal Fenix: Cutting Up the "Blame Pie" (16:06) - What is a Fractional CMO? (19:07) - The "Agnostic" Agency Rule: No Kickbacks or Commissions (20:10) - The Dream Team: Rob Williams (Elevamp) Joins Legal Fenix (22:50) - Why Everyone Should Start with the Piano (24:10) - HubSpot vs. LeadDocket: Customization vs. Complexity (25:53) - Order of Operations: People, Process, then Technology (29:43) - The Data Hygiene Crisis: "Garbage In, Garbage Out" (31:30) - Defining Metrics: MQL, IQL, and "Wanted" Leads (34:11) - Blended vs. Channel-Specific Acquisition Costs (37:15) - Counter Program: "Like The Fenix" Comeback Trivia (38:55) - The Rocky Balboa/Bernard Hopkins Confusion (44:46) - The Inventor of the Minivan: Lee Iacocca (45:07) - The Gordie Howe Hat Trick (46:00) - Outro: The "Special" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.

    47 min
  7. Why Trust Is the Strategy & How To End a Friendship with AI

    Apr 23

    Why Trust Is the Strategy & How To End a Friendship with AI

    Jared Correia’s "Travels with Jared" series takes us to King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, where the history of George Washington’s winter encampment at Valley Forge meets the rampant consumerism of the third-largest mall in America. Jared recounts his confusing excursion to the "Netflix House"—a theme-park-style entertainment complex that feels like "Satan vomited up the physical embodiment of a streaming service"—and explains why he left with a stuffed Demogorgon and a profound sense of being an "elder millennial" . The interview features the return of Megan Hargroder, founder of Legends Legal Marketing, who discusses reaching the milestone of her 20th employee and her brutal "Hunger Games" style hiring process for search managers. The core of the conversation focuses on the shift from traditional SEO to Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) and Generative Engine Optimization (GEO). Megan breaks down why Large Language Models (LLMs) like ChatGPT and Claude prioritize "trust-based marketing" and authentic storytelling over high-volume, AI-generated spam. They also discuss her new book, Trust is the Strategy, and endure a "Legal Late Night AEO Interview" where Google's AI identifies Megan as a snow leopard and a wandering monk of digital nomadism. Learn more about Megan and Legends Legal Marketing.Email Megan for a copy of her new book. Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Follow Jared on LinkedIn. Check out our Spotify Playlist for this episode. (00:00) - Travels with Jared: The "KOP" and Frederick the Great (02:30) - Valley Forge vs. The King of Prussia Mall (04:33) - People Love Arches: The Memorial Arch and Patriots Bell Tower (05:43) - The Netflix House: An Elder Millennial’s Fever Dream (08:18) - Interview Start: Megan Hargroder and Toenail Clippers (09:56) - AI Heartbreak: The Callous ChatGPT Text Message (11:18) - Employee #20 and the Paid Search "Hunger Games" (15:45) - Entering the Era of AEO and GEO (AI Search) (18:18) - Why AI Engines Prefer Trust-Based Marketing and Brands (21:13) - The Power of Context: Keywords in Client Reviews (22:15) - Different Algorithms: Gemini vs. Google Search AI (SGE) (25:53) - Breaking Up with Clients Over 200 AI Blogs Per Month (29:43) - Local SEO: The Case for Manual Directory Listings (32:08) - Brand Consistency: Why You Should Never Make a Second Logo (34:08) - The Future of Paid Ads in Generative AI (37:10) - Book Pitch: "Trust is the Strategy" (39:19) - Counter Program: The Wired-Style AEO Interview (40:58) - AI Identifies Megan as a Snow Leopard (43:01) - Founding a Religion: The Path of Radial Trust (46:04) - The Jeep Wrangler vs. The Public Transit Dream (48:21) - Johnny Cash Coyotes and Louisiana Outlaws (51:24) - Outro & This Week's Playlist: Pennsylvania Rain Click here to view the episode transcript.

    53 min
  8. Real-Time Revolution: How AI is Changing the Deposition Game with Dean Whalen & John Skelton

    Apr 16

    Real-Time Revolution: How AI is Changing the Deposition Game with Dean Whalen & John Skelton

    Jared Correia tackles the "Bill Lumberg" problem in the legal industry: micromanagement. Jared explores how managing attorneys can find a balance between oversight and obsession by leveraging modern case management and workflow tools to "observe without being menacing" . Next, the show features a rare "double guest" interview with Dean Whalen, Chief Legal Officer of ReadBack, and John Skelton, Partner at Seyfarth Shaw, LLP. In an incredible trip down memory lane, John Skelton shares the inside story of how he helped keep the New England Patriots in Foxboro in 1993 by leveraging a unique stadium lease to block a move to St. Louis . The conversation dives deep into the future of litigation with ReadBack, an AI-based deposition software that provides "real-time" text to attorneys. John and Dean discuss the massive competitive advantages of real-time transcripts, including the ability to catch non-responsive answers in the moment and search Q&A while the witness is still on the record. Finally, the trio revisits the 1980s in the Counter Program for a high-stakes round of "Guess the Next Lyric," where Dean reveals his surprisingly deep knowledge of Janet Jackson trivia. Learn more about Dean Whalen and John Skelton.Learn more about Readback.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Follow Jared on LinkedIn. Check out our Spotify Playlist for this episode. (00:00) - Intro: Micromanagement and Bill Lumberg (00:44) - The Neurosis of Legal Management (01:48) - Oversight vs. Obsession: The Balance (02:48) - Using Workflows to Monitor Without Being Menacing (03:46) - Using Ticklers and Reminders Effectively (05:36) - Introducing Dean Whalen and John Skelton (06:41) - The St. Anselm College Connection (07:34) - Dean Whalen: The Original Host of Legal Toolkit (09:12) - John Skelton’s Origin Story: From Police Officer to Law Review (11:14) - Bar Prep Rivalries and LSAT Legends (13:36) - The Reality of Big Law Grinds and Remote Work (14:50) - Saving the Patriots: The 1993 Lease Litigation Story (19:06) - Transitioning from Law Practice to Legal Tech (21:21) - The Role of Depositions in High-Stakes Litigation (24:12) - The Problem with Post-It Notes and Paper Discovery (26:05) - Why ReadBack was Developed: Supply, Demand, and Stenographers (27:31) - Meet the "Guardians": AI-Based Deposition Oversight (31:27) - The Competitive Advantage of "Real-Time" Transcripts (35:49) - Rule 28 and the Future of Notary Protocols (37:06) - Lessons from the Pandemic: Remote Deposition Efficiency (41:41) - AI as a Litigation "Equalizer": Briefs and Outlines (43:32) - Counter Program: Guess the Lyric (The Big '80s Edition) (47:29) - The Janet Jackson Super Bowl Trivia Story (57:15) - Outro & This Week's Playlist: Rain Songs Click here to view the episode transcript.

    58 min
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Hosted by Jared Correia, Legal Late Night is a weekly, pop culture-infused romp through the latest & greatest business management ideas and technology tips for lawyers, featuring engaging guests, and constructed in the format of an old school television variety show.

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  • Creator
    The Legal Broadcasting Company
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    58
  • Rating
    Explicit
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    © 2026 The Legal Broadcasting Company

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