The Next Move

John Paton - @johngetstrong

Endurance, strength, and long-term health in all its forms. The Next Move features conversations with athletes, coaches, scientists, and thinkers exploring how to train, think, and live better. By John Paton - @johngetstrong johngetstrong.substack.com

  1. Hyrox Training is a Dose Relationship! Priority #1: Build Your Weekly Hours! (Hyrox Coaching Corner #1 - Dan Plews)

    1D AGO

    Hyrox Training is a Dose Relationship! Priority #1: Build Your Weekly Hours! (Hyrox Coaching Corner #1 - Dan Plews)

    Dan Plews joins The Next Move podcast for a new Hyrox Coaching Corner series. In this episode, we break down Dan’s endurance and Hyrox background, recap racing in hot conditions at Auckland Hyrox, and explain how pacing, heat management, and station intensity impact performance. We also discuss why many athletes struggle in singles compared to doubles and how building weekly training volume is the biggest lever for long-term improvement. Send us your Hyrox training questions 👇 https://www.instagram.com/theplews/ https://www.instagram.com/johngetstrong/ Try Dan’s Hyrox Training System with 7-Days Free 👉 Endurox Episode breakdown: 00:00 — Hyrox Coaching Corner begins: purpose and goals of the series 02:20 — Dan Plews’ athletic background: from youth triathlon to Kona 06:40 — Training volume & consistency: what actually built elite endurance 09:30 — John’s training journey: late start, rapid gains, current limitations 13:30 — Setting Hyrox goals: elite marginal gains vs beginner breakthroughs 17:30 — Auckland Hyrox recap: injuries, heat, course difficulty 21:00 — Racing in the heat: pacing, physiology, and avoiding blow-ups 26:00 — Why stations ruin your run: W′ balance and intensity control 30:50 — Singles vs doubles: recovery, thresholds, and performance gaps 35:00 — How Dan plans training: demand-driven, not traditional periodization 39:00 — John’s next steps: building from 6–8 to 12–15 hours per week 41:20 — ENDUROX Dynamic plan: how to train smarter and scale volume safely 43:00 — Wrap-up: goals for the series and where to follow along This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    43 min
  2. Cross-Training Will Increase for HYROX! Why Elite Athletes Are Training More, But Running Less – Dena & Tom Hogan (#19)

    6D AGO

    Cross-Training Will Increase for HYROX! Why Elite Athletes Are Training More, But Running Less – Dena & Tom Hogan (#19)

    Dena and Tom Hogan are two of the most experienced athletes and coaches in HYROX, with over 40 races and five World Championships between them. As founders of Team Hogan, they coach athletes across all levels while continuing to compete at the sharp end of the sport. In this episode, Dena and Tom break down how HYROX training has evolved since 2020, why endurance and efficiency matter more than max strength, and how athletes should think about race weight, cross-training, and longevity. We also explore individualized coaching, smarter ways to train sleds and wall balls, the role of community in long-term motivation, and why enjoyment—not constant PB chasing—is key to staying in the sport. Episode breakdown: 00:00 — How has HYROX training changed from 2020 to 2026, and what were people getting wrong early on? 01:50 — Why did elite athletes start dialing in an “ideal race weight,” and how do you find the sweet spot between muscle and run pace? 03:44 — Should most athletes try to gain/maintain weight for HYROX, and how do you test where your tipping point is? 04:40 — Why might HYROX be more sustainable long-term than Ironman/ultras, and what does that change about training priorities? 05:39 — Is HYROX “mostly endurance,” and why do long hill efforts often beat gym max-strength for real station performance? 07:26 — Do newcomers need an aerobic “base sport” first, or is the right plan entirely dependent on their current background? 10:36 — What questions do you ask a new client to personalize training, and why do “circumstances” matter as much as fitness? 13:58 — What is a “test week,” and how do you use it to set paces, strength targets, and training intent? 15:57 — How do you keep performance high while running very little due to injuries, and where do you “get the stimulus” instead? 18:16 — Will elite training keep shifting toward high-volume, low-impact work (ergs/bikes), and why does it beat more running? 21:06 — How should strength training look for HYROX if max strength isn’t the main limiter? 22:42 — What’s a practical playbook to improve sleds, and why do hills + varied sled loading matter more than “race weight only”? 25:17 — Why do wall balls break people (mobility + technique), and how should you train them under fatigue instead of fresh? 28:15 — How do you define “efficiency” on stations, and why might being slightly slower but fresher be the winning tactic? 30:27 — What are the best ways to teach efficiency (video, timing, stroke rate, settings), and why is it all trial-and-error? 35:44 — What keeps you motivated to keep competing for years, and how does community (and family) shape that? 41:35 — How do you enjoy the sport more—especially if you’re always chasing PBs or comparing yourself to others? 48:34 — What advice would you give to someone who wants to build a coaching career in HYROX without becoming “generic”? 53:11 — What training trends are you watching in early 2026 (volume pullbacks, coach changes), and will more elite runners enter HYROX? This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    56 min
  3. “Stress Is One of the Biggest Issues We’ve Got”: How Stress Undermines Health and Training — Dr. Richard MacKenzie (#18)

    JAN 26

    “Stress Is One of the Biggest Issues We’ve Got”: How Stress Undermines Health and Training — Dr. Richard MacKenzie (#18)

    Dr. Richard MacKenzie is an associate professor specializing in human metabolism and a clinician working at the intersection of exercise physiology, metabolic health, and stress. He is the author of Stress Tested: How The New Science of Stress Hormones Can Transform Your Health. In this episode, Richard unpacks what stress actually is from a physiological perspective, how acute and chronic stress differ, and why chronic stress can quietly undermine insulin sensitivity, recovery, sleep, and training adaptations. We also explore how stress shows up in metrics like heart rate variability, glucose variability, and fuel metabolism, why mindset and perception dramatically alter stress responses, and how exercise, nutrition, caffeine, sleep, and even cold exposure can either buffer or amplify stress. Episode breakdown: 00:00 – Who is Dr. Richard MacKenzie? 00:16 – Why write Stress Tested now? 02:23 – What is stress? 04:28 – When does stress turn from helpful to harmful? 04:52 – How does chronic stress show up day to day? 06:15 – Can stress actually be measured? 07:41 – What does a personal “stress dashboard” look like? 09:59 – How changeable is stress with mindset? 13:59 – Does exercise reduce stress—or add to it? 15:29 – Is stress one of our biggest health threats? 19:56 – What hidden stressors are we missing? 26:06 – Can diet increase—or reduce—stress? 36:04 – What has stress research changed for Richard? 41:05 – What’s next: protein, metabolism, and future research? This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    42 min
  4. The In-Depth Science of HYROX: What Exercise Physiology Tells Us About Performance - Gommaar D’Hulst (#17)

    JAN 19

    The In-Depth Science of HYROX: What Exercise Physiology Tells Us About Performance - Gommaar D’Hulst (#17)

    Gommaar D’Hulst is an exercise physiologist at ETH Zurich and the mind behind the WOD Science YouTube channel, with a background rooted in CrossFit and a growing focus on HYROX and hybrid endurance sports. Through his research and applied lab work, Gommaar bridges elite performance, physiology, and real-world training decisions for functional fitness athletes. In this episode, Gommaar breaks down the key physiological differences between CrossFit and HYROX, why HYROX is best understood as an endurance-dominant sport, and how muscle fiber types, VO2 max, lactate threshold, and anaerobic power shape performance. He shares insights from lab testing with elite athletes—including novel functional ramp tests using burpees and thrusters—explains why fatigue dramatically alters running economy in HYROX, and explores how tools from endurance science (like threshold training, Zone 2 work, and power metrics) can be adapted to functional movements. We also dive into interference effects, fueling strategies, and where sports science is headed as HYROX continues to professionalize. Episode breakdown: 00:00 — Intro: Gommaar (ETH Zurich) + WOD Science + CrossFit → HYROX 00:24 — CrossFit vs HYROX demands: longer duration, lower intensity, aerobic bias 01:40 — Can you excel at both? Specialization, rising level, and the Tia example 03:13 — Is HYROX endurance or strength? Why it’s primarily endurance (and sled/turf impact) 04:48 — Muscle fibers 101: slow vs fast twitch and what they’re built for 07:50 — Why strong powerlifters can struggle: strength vs strength-endurance 11:01 — HYROX strength training: when (and if) low-rep work fits in the season 12:17 — VO2 max + lactate threshold: what they are and why they matter 15:56 — Elite CrossFit VO2 findings: lower-than-expected on the bike + specificity issue 18:27 — Functional ramp test: burpees + thrusters protocol + what lactate curves show 21:55 — Run → lunges/deadlifts → run: fatigue increases VO2 cost (running economy drop) 26:02 — What predicts HYROX performance beyond VO2: fatigue-resistance across stations 28:22 — Heart rate: good for running, limited for stations + why VO2 can drop in strength work 34:15 — Interference effect: separating strength and endurance (same-day vs split) outcomes 46:53 — Nutrition rapid-fire: carbs (timing + high intakes) and bicarb/creatine practicality This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    59 min
  5. You Are The Expert In Your Own Life! The Surprising Benefits of Hiring a Life Coach - George Hearn (#16)

    JAN 8

    You Are The Expert In Your Own Life! The Surprising Benefits of Hiring a Life Coach - George Hearn (#16)

    George Hearn is a life coach who came into coaching through a high-achieving academic and corporate path—studying Geography at Cambridge, spending years in strategy consulting, and then moving into the startup world—before realizing he was more drawn to helping people design intentional, fulfilling lives In this episode, George breaks down what coaching actually is (and why it’s often not about giving advice), how he structures sessions using tools like the Wheel of Life, Ikigai, and visualization, and how everyday practices like journaling, distraction-free walks, and even AI chatbots can support self-reflection. He also shares the behind-the-scenes of building his coaching business from scratch—finding clients, learning marketing and sales on the fly, navigating uncertainty, and building the support network needed to go all-in. Episode breakdown: 00:00 — What a coach actually does 01:01 — Coaching vs therapy, consulting, and mentorship 03:04 — George’s life coaching origin story 10:34 — The Wheel of Life: mapping the key areas and finding gaps 13:27 — Prioritization + Pareto: focusing on what actually moves the needle 14:04 — Ikigai: purpose at the intersection of skills, love, value, and need 16:26 — Visualization: the “80-year-old you” exercise 18:59 — Self-coaching tools: journaling for clarity + momentum 21:34 — Thinking walks: default mode network and the “exam question” 24:11 — Using chatbots for reflection: powerful, but don’t outsource decisions 28:20 — Building the coaching business: learn-by-doing + finding clients 32:28 — Living with uncertainty: risk, confidence, and growth mindset 35:23 — The solo founder problem: building a support network 38:22 — Developing coaching skills: listening, communication, self-work 41:01 — When self-improvement becomes obsessive: staying balanced 44:32 — What George is curious about: why people don’t aim for a 10/10 life 46:44 — Closing reflections This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    47 min
  6. Strength Changes Everything! No Running To Elite HYROX Athlete in One Year: Gabrielle Nikora-Baker (#15)

    JAN 6

    Strength Changes Everything! No Running To Elite HYROX Athlete in One Year: Gabrielle Nikora-Baker (#15)

    Gabrielle Nicora-Baker is an Elite 15 HYROX athlete who came into the sport from a pure strength and bodybuilding background, with almost no running experience before her first race in 2024. In less than a year, Gabrielle progressed from her first mixed doubles race to competing in elite fields. In this episode, Gabrielle breaks down how her strength base accelerated her rise in HYROX, how she trains and fuels for elite racing, and what she’s learned from racing frequently, hiring a coach, and chasing a Worlds-level performance. Episode breakdown: 00:00 – Intro 01:48 – Strength background and rapid rise into elite competition 03:57 – Bodybuilding years: training splits, progressive overload, big lifts 06:09 – Early running volume (~20km/week) 08:11 – How strong do HYROX athletes really need to be? 11:11 – Current training structure: thresholds, speed, long runs (~15 hrs/week) 17:28 – Home gym setup: treadmill, ergs, bikes, and winter training 21:43 – Nutrition shift from bodybuilding to endurance fueling (carbs, prep) 26:39 – Race weaknesses: wall balls, burpees, fatigue management, mindset 32:42 – Learning the sport fast: podcasts, racing reps, hiring a coach 36:02 – Worlds relay experience + doubles vs solo racing 39:42 – 2026 goals, testing curiosity, Phoenix prep + where to find Gabrielle This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    42 min
  7. Hyrox World Record Holder: Efficiency is Key for Hyrox! Most Athletes Get This Wrong!(#13)

    12/20/2025

    Hyrox World Record Holder: Efficiency is Key for Hyrox! Most Athletes Get This Wrong!(#13)

    Pelayo Menendez-Fernandez holds the Hyrox doubles world record, having raced an incredible 48:31 alongside Rich Ryan in Miami. In this episode, we break down the training principles that fuel his performances — from his signature “Hyrox endurance” sessions (long, controlled station work that builds pacing and efficiency), to the small technique tweaks that save huge amounts of energy on race day. Pelayo also shares how he structures a basic Hyrox training week, why he avoids race simulations, and the mindset shift he believes separates good athletes from truly great racers. Episode breakdown: 00:00 – Pelayo’s Hyrox/triathlon backgrond 00:26 – Pelayo explains his “Hyrox endurance” (long Zone 2–style) station session concept 02:23 – How long is the endurance session, and what intensity (HR/RPE, zones)? 04:10 – Common beginner mistake: going 10/10 intensity on every station 05:40 – What “efficiency” means in Hyrox: minimum energy, maximum speed 06:50 – Lunge efficiency tip: hitting the back knee hard (and why knee pads help) 07:12 – Burpee efficiency tip: minimize time on the ground + use bounce/momentum into the jump 09:52 – Why doubles can make certain techniques even more effective (shorter sets + rest) 11:12 – Coaching efficiency: technique drills and experimenting with positions (sled push/pull, etc.) 15:15 – Wall balls: Pelayo’s toughest station + the mental/physical battle of going unbroken 19:37 – Race-day “extra gear” vs training: why wall balls feel different in competition 22:25 – Running intensity philosophy: key threshold/VO2 sessions + easy days truly easy 25:16 – The “accidental” block that transferred to the Miami pro doubles world record (speed into threshold) 27:10 – Building a basic Hyrox training week: long endurance session + compromised run/bodyweight session 30:59 – Strength approach: supersets + mixing strength with erg/station work (and managing recovery) 47:00 – Elite race mindset: why Pelayo avoids race sims and saves the “gift” for race day 52:21 – What Pelayo’s most focused on now This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    54 min

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Endurance, strength, and long-term health in all its forms. The Next Move features conversations with athletes, coaches, scientists, and thinkers exploring how to train, think, and live better. By John Paton - @johngetstrong johngetstrong.substack.com

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