Jung At Harp

Deborah Henson-Conant & Kathleen Wiley
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Jung at Harp – Where Music and Psyche Meet Join us most Fridays at 9:15 AM ET for Jung at Harp—a weekly conversation between composer Deborah Henson-Conant and Jungian analyst Kathleen Wiley exploring the deep connection between music, psychology, and self-expression. This series isn't about teaching, selling, or proving anything. It's about curiosity, exploration, and the art of conversation. What happens when a psychoanalyst and a musician discuss creativity, freedom, and the human experience? New ideas unfold, perspectives shift, and deeper understanding emerges. Jung at Harp began as a simple car ride conversation—one that neither wanted to end. Now, it's an ongoing dialogue, shared with the world, about how music and the mind shape each other and transform our lives.

  1. [214] Jung at Harp #214 When There's Discord What's Missing?

    2D AGO

    [214] Jung at Harp #214 When There's Discord What's Missing?

    Jung at Harp | Episode 214: When There's Discord – What's Missing? Why Listen? What if discord isn't something to avoid, but something inviting us to pay closer attention? In this episode, Kathleen Wiley and Deborah Henson-Conant explore the idea that tension, conflict, and emotional dissonance may point toward something unseen, unheard, or missing beneath the surface. Through music, psychology, and personal reflection, they uncover how discord can become a doorway to deeper understanding, creativity, and connection. Join Jungian Psychoanalyst Kathleen Wiley and Grammy-nominated composer/performer Deborah Henson-Conant for a thoughtful conversation about music, psychology, creativity, and life. In this episode, Kathleen and Deborah explore the role of discord — not as something to instantly fix or silence, but as an important signal. Whether in relationships, music, creative work, or within ourselves, moments of tension often reveal unmet needs, missing perspectives, or parts of ourselves asking to be acknowledged. Drawing connections between musical harmony and emotional life, they reflect on how curiosity and listening can transform discomfort into discovery. Rather than rushing toward resolution, this conversation invites us to stay present long enough to hear what the discord may be trying to communicate. Topics explored include: The difference between eliminating discord and understanding it How tension can reveal what's missing beneath the surface Listening as a creative and emotional practice Musical dissonance as a metaphor for life and relationships Curiosity, reflection, and discovery through discomfort

    43 min
  2. [213] Jung at Harp #213 Our Relationship to Resistance and Discord

    MAY 8

    [213] Jung at Harp #213 Our Relationship to Resistance and Discord

    *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id= "request-69d88705-fbc8-839e-bbc8-8c3385c04777-1" data-testid= "conversation-turn-10" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> Jung at Harp | Episode 213: Our Relationship to Resistance and Discord Why listen? What do we do when we encounter resistance—within ourselves, in our relationships, or in the creative process? And could discord actually have something important to teach us? In this episode, Kathleen Wiley and Deborah Henson-Conant explore the emotional and creative tension that arises when things don't flow smoothly. From musical dissonance to personal conflict, they unpack how resistance can challenge us, shape us, and sometimes even guide us toward transformation. Discord is often something we try to avoid or resolve quickly—but in music and in life, tension can create movement, depth, and meaning. This conversation looks at how discomfort, friction, and uncertainty may actually be essential parts of growth and expression. Rather than seeing resistance as failure, what if we learned to listen to it differently? In this episode, you'll discover: Why resistance often appears during periods of growth The creative role of discord and tension in music and life How discomfort can reveal deeper truths and emotions Ways to work with resistance instead of against it How conflict and contrast can lead to transformation and clarity Join two harp players—a Jungian psychoanalyst and a composer/performer—for a thoughtful conversation about music, psychology, and life. 🕘 Live at 9:15-ish EST on most Fridays 🎧 Watch and listen: JungAtHarp.com

    44 min
  3. [212] Jung at Harp Episode #212 The Conversation of Improvisation

    MAY 8

    [212] Jung at Harp Episode #212 The Conversation of Improvisation

    Jung at Harp | Episode 212: The Conversation of Improvisation Why listen? Is improvisation completely different from memorization—or are they more connected than we realize? In this episode, we explore the surprising relationship between structure, memory, spontaneity, and creative freedom. In Kathleen's absence this week, Deborah Henson-Conant dives into the living conversation between memorization and improvisation. While they may seem like opposites, both rely on deep listening, pattern recognition, trust, and presence. Many musicians think memorization is rigid while improvisation is free—but what if both are simply different pathways into connection and expression? This episode unpacks how familiarity creates freedom, how structure can support spontaneity, and why improvisation is less about "making things up" and more about responding in the moment. Whether you're a musician, creative artist, or someone navigating uncertainty in everyday life, this conversation offers insight into how we balance preparation with intuition. In this episode, you'll discover: The similarities between memorization and improvisation Why structure can actually increase creative freedom How improvisation becomes a real-time conversation The role of listening, trust, and familiarity in creativity Why being fully present matters more than being "perfect" Join two harp players—a Jungian psychoanalyst and a composer/performer—for a weekly-ish conversation about music, psychology, and life. 🕘 Live at 9:15-ish EST on most Fridays 🎧 Watch and listen: JungAtHarp.com

    41 min
  4. [211] Jung at Harp #211 Adventures in Support

    APR 24

    [211] Jung at Harp #211 Adventures in Support

    *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id= "request-69d88705-fbc8-839e-bbc8-8c3385c04777-1" data-testid= "conversation-turn-6" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> Jung at Harp | Episode 211: Adventures in Support Why listen? What does it really mean to feel supported? And how do we recognize the kind of support that actually helps us grow—in music, in life, and in our relationships? In this episode, Kathleen Wiley and Deborah Henson-Conant explore the many forms of support we rely on—and sometimes overlook. From inner resilience to external encouragement, they unpack how support shapes our creativity, health, and sense of connection. Support isn't always obvious. Sometimes it looks like structure, sometimes like freedom. Sometimes it challenges us instead of comforting us. So how do we know what's truly helping us move forward? This conversation invites you to reflect on the systems, people, and inner resources that hold you—and to reconsider what kind of support you might need next. In this episode, you'll discover: The different forms support can take in music and life Why real support isn't always comfortable or easy How internal and external support systems work together The role of boundaries, structure, and community in growth How to identify what truly supports you right now Join two harp players—a Jungian psychoanalyst and a composer/performer—for a thoughtful conversation about music, psychology, and life. 🕘 Live at 9:15-ish EST on most Fridays 🎧 Watch and listen: JungAtHarp.com

    41 min
  5. [210] Jung at Harp #210 What Is the VALUE of Self-Expression?

    APR 24

    [210] Jung at Harp #210 What Is the VALUE of Self-Expression?

    *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id= "request-69d88705-fbc8-839e-bbc8-8c3385c04777-0" data-testid= "conversation-turn-4" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> Jung at Harp | Episode 210: What Is the VALUE of Self-Expression? Why listen? We spend years building skills—but at what point do those skills actually become self-expression? And how much skill do you really need to express something meaningful? In this episode, Kathleen Wiley and Deborah Henson-Conant explore the relationship between technique, creativity, and personal voice. Is skill the gateway to expression—or can it sometimes get in the way? Many people believe they're "not ready" to express themselves until they reach a certain level. But what if expression isn't something you earn later… what if it's available right now? Through a blend of psychology and musical insight, this conversation unpacks how values, identity, and inner permission shape the way we create—and share. This episode invites you to rethink what it means to be "good enough," and to discover how your unique voice can emerge at any stage of your journey. In this episode, you'll discover: The real relationship between skill and self-expression Why waiting to be "good enough" can block creativity How personal values influence the way you create The difference between technical mastery and authentic voice How to access self-expression at any level of experience Join two harp players—a Jungian psychoanalyst and a composer/performer—for a reflective conversation about music, psychology, and life. 🕘 Live at 9:15-ish EST on most Fridays 🎧 Watch and listen: JungAtHarp.com

    36 min
  6. [209] Jung at Harp #209 Why does EASY feel WRONG?

    APR 10

    [209] Jung at Harp #209 Why does EASY feel WRONG?

    Jung at Harp | Episode 209: Why Does EASY Feel WRONG? Why listen? Have you ever worked so hard to improve your skills… only to feel like something's off when things finally get easier? In this episode, we explore why ease can feel uncomfortable, even "wrong," and how that mindset might be holding back your creativity, confidence, and growth. What happens when mastery starts to feel natural? For many of us, there's a strange moment where ease triggers doubt. If it's not hard, is it still valuable? Did we skip something? Are we "cheating"? In this conversation, Kathleen Wiley and Deborah Henson-Conant unpack the psychology behind effort, identity, and the stories we attach to hard work. Drawing from Jungian insights and musical experience, they explore how we internalize struggle as proof of worth—and why letting go of that belief can open the door to deeper creativity and freedom. This episode looks at the hidden resistance to ease, the fear of outgrowing struggle, and how true mastery often feels lighter, not heavier. What if ease isn't a shortcut—but a sign that something is finally working? In this episode, you'll discover: Why we associate effort with value—and ease with doubt The psychology behind feeling "undeserving" when things flow How identity and past struggles shape our relationship with growth Why ease can actually signal mastery, not mediocrity How to embrace flow without losing depth or meaning Join two harp players—a Jungian psychoanalyst and a composer/performer—for a thoughtful, honest conversation about music, psychology, and life.

    44 min
  7. [208] Jung at Harp #208 A-B1-A-B2-A-B3-A

    MAR 31

    [208] Jung at Harp #208 A-B1-A-B2-A-B3-A

    Jung at Harp | Episode 208: A-B1-A-B2-A-B3-A The Powers of Form Form or structure is the second principle in the 7 principles of creative expression developed by Deborah Henson-Conant. But why is form such a powerful force in both creativity and freedom? In this episode of Jung at Harp, Deborah and Jungian psychoanalyst Kathleen Wiley explore how structure shapes, supports, and even expands creative possibility. Using the musical pattern A-B1-A-B2-A-B3-A as a starting point, they reflect on how repetition and variation work together to create both coherence and surprise. Rather than limiting creativity, form provides a foundation that allows expression to unfold with greater clarity and intention. From a Jungian perspective, structure can also mirror psychological patterns, offering a framework through which the psyche organizes experience and meaning. This conversation invites listeners to reconsider the role of form not as restriction, but as a dynamic partner in creativity. When we understand and engage with structure, we can move more freely within it, discovering new layers of expression and insight. This episode invites you to reflect on: • Why form is a core principle of creative expression • The meaning behind patterns like A-B1-A-B2-A-B3-A • How repetition and variation create both stability and surprise • The relationship between structure and creative freedom • Jungian perspectives on patterns within the psyche • How form can guide rather than limit expression • Recognizing patterns in music, thought, and behavior • Using structure to deepen creative exploration • Finding freedom through understanding form Why listen? If you're interested in creativity, music, or the deeper patterns that shape expression and experience, this episode offers a compelling look at the power of form. Deborah and Kathleen invite you to explore how structure can become a source of freedom, helping you create with more intention, confidence, and depth. Join Deborah Henson-Conant and Kathleen Wiley for their weekly-ish conversations on music, psychology and life, typically around 9:15 EST on most Fridays.

    40 min
  8. [207] Jung at Harp #207 The Thing about Beavers

    MAR 27

    [207] Jung at Harp #207 The Thing about Beavers

    Jung at Harp | Episode 207: The Thing about Beavers Beavers create entire ecosystems that support life far beyond themselves, shaping environments where many different forms of life can thrive. But within each of those living beings exists another kind of ecosystem — an inner world shaped by thoughts, emotions, reactions, and self talk. In this episode of Jung at Harp, Deborah Henson-Conant and Jungian psychoanalyst Kathleen Wiley explore the relationship between the outer environments we create and the inner environments we carry within us. Through a Jungian lens, they reflect on how our internal landscape influences not only our creative expression, but also how we interact with others and shape the world around us. When those "inner ecosystems" include self talk, emotional patterns, and unconscious responses, they become powerful forces that can either support or disrupt both personal and collective harmony. This conversation invites listeners to consider how awareness of their inner environment can lead to more intentional creation — in music, relationships, and life itself. Just as beavers shape the physical world, we are constantly shaping our psychological and creative ecosystems, often without realizing it. This episode invites you to reflect on: • The idea of ecosystems as both external and internal • How inner environments influence outer experiences • The role of self talk in shaping perception and behavior • Emotional reactions as part of a living inner system • Jungian perspectives on the psyche as an ecosystem • How awareness can transform internal patterns • The connection between inner balance and creative expression • Creating supportive environments within and around us • Living more intentionally through self awareness Why listen? If you're interested in how your inner world shapes your creativity, relationships, and daily experience, this episode offers a rich and thoughtful perspective. Deborah and Kathleen invite you to explore your own "inner ecosystem" and consider how cultivating awareness within can lead to more balanced, creative, and meaningful ways of living. Join Deborah Henson-Conant and Kathleen Wiley for their weekly-ish conversations on music, psychology and life, typically around 9:15 EST on most Fridays.

    44 min
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Jung at Harp – Where Music and Psyche Meet Join us most Fridays at 9:15 AM ET for Jung at Harp—a weekly conversation between composer Deborah Henson-Conant and Jungian analyst Kathleen Wiley exploring the deep connection between music, psychology, and self-expression. This series isn't about teaching, selling, or proving anything. It's about curiosity, exploration, and the art of conversation. What happens when a psychoanalyst and a musician discuss creativity, freedom, and the human experience? New ideas unfold, perspectives shift, and deeper understanding emerges. Jung at Harp began as a simple car ride conversation—one that neither wanted to end. Now, it's an ongoing dialogue, shared with the world, about how music and the mind shape each other and transform our lives.

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  • Creator
    Deborah Henson-Conant & Kathleen Wiley
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    78
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2023
  • Show Website
    Jung At Harp

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