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Communities thrive through caring leaders, residents, and dreamers. AuthentiCity FM brings local government stories to life, inviting all who want to make a difference. Discover honest views, fresh insights, and candid talks that inspire change. Whether you're a city manager, advocate, or curious, AuthentiCity FM reveals the ideas shaping our communities. Join us in a movement where authentic voices and bold ideas build tomorrow's cities.

  1. 3d ago

    AuthentiCity FM: Local Government Gratitude, Unpacked

    We came home from the ICMA Annual Conference in Long Beach with full suitcases and a lot to unpack. What does it take to sustain a career in local government without losing the judgment, perspective, and relationships that make us effective? Our session on sustainable leadership sparked some candid reflections about the five margins we all need to protect, the ones we tend to sacrifice first, and the people in our lives who care enough to tell us what we need to hear. The conference offered plenty to think about. Simon Sinek demonstrated the power of receiving difficult questions with grace, while historian Jon Meacham brought a welcome dose of historical perspective to an era that can feel uniquely uncertain. Both reminded us that leadership requires the ability to look beyond the immediate moment. And then there were the hallways, where so much of the magic of ICMA happens. Old friends, new connections, unexpected conversations, and the occasional reminder that local government is a remarkably small world. We celebrate the leadership of three ICMA presidents and reflect on the humbling experience of meeting people who actually listen to our podcast. Apparently, we're not just talking to each other. There is no shortage of issues demanding attention in our profession. Public finance, artificial intelligence, policing, land use, and the changing economics of development are all shaping the conversations local government leaders need to be having. We have plenty of ideas for where AuthentiCity FM goes next. Perhaps the most powerful perspective of the week came from city leaders in Ukraine, who spoke about the extraordinary responsibility of maintaining essential public services through another winter of war. Keeping water flowing, children learning, and homes warm is familiar work to anyone in local government. Doing it under the constant threat of war offers a sobering reminder of why that work matters. This episode arrives on Election Day. We hope you vote. Chapters 00:00 Unpacking Long Beach 05:08 Our session in Ballroom A 08:48 The five margins 12:42 Which margin disappears first 17:25 Thanks to the people who name our gaps 18:38 Simon Sinek and the art of the hard question 22:26 Jon Meacham and the rearview mirror 25:30 Hope for the American experiment 26:42 Sit up front, with one caveat 33:13 Honoring three ICMA presidents 41:49 A milestone ahead 48:30 The most human moment of the week 57:47 Closing and a reminder to vote Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: THLCXGAVWDTPDHLN

  2. Oct 13

    AuthentiCityFM: Boundaries, Bonds, and the Big Chair with Andy Pederson

    Bayside, Wisconsin is a village of about 4,400 people on the shore of Lake Michigan. Andy Pederson has managed it for more than twenty years, and later this month he becomes president of ICMA. We sat down with him before the annual conference in Long Beach to talk about what a small place teaches about leading at a much larger scale. Much of the conversation lives where jurisdictional lines start to blur. Andy walks through the partnerships Bayside shares with its North Shore neighbors, from a consolidated dispatch center to a shared fire department and an IT team that now serves several communities. Each one had to improve the service, hold or lower the cost, and prove it could last. Trust sits underneath all of it, built slowly and kept with care. We also talk about staying. Long tenure is rare in this profession, and Andy describes what fit feels like when the community, the staff, and the board keep asking more of you. He also shares why he keeps raising his hand to serve, and how board service changed the way he sees his own elected officials. For anyone heading to a first national conference, there is a generous stretch of practical advice. Andy's counsel to his own assistant manager is to keep it small, say hi, and take the one open seat at the lunch table. We add a few favorite openers of our own. Andy offers an early look at the theme he will carry into his year as president, built around the word we. Then he turns the questions on us, asking what each of us believes now that we would have argued with a decade ago. The answers move through the weight of the chair, the cost of saying yes to everything, and the boundaries that protect public servants. There is plenty of Midwestern fun along the way, including Brewers legends, a Friday fish fry confession, and a long-promised trip to a cheese castle. 00:00 Welcome and a stop in Bayside 02:16 From law school to the village hall 05:24 Why a small community 11:31 Twenty-two years in one place 13:37 Why give back to the profession 17:30 Hallway conversations and an open invitation 19:39 Icebreakers for first-timers 28:15 What the ICMA president does 31:19 Reconnecting the membership 33:58 Showing up in every state 38:36 Wisconsin and Illinois, together 47:04 Up north, fish fry, and the cheese castle 53:06 Andy asks the hosts 1:00:54 Making local government cool 1:03:27 Looking two and three years ahead 1:08:35 Sit up front 1:10:16 Andy's final word Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: JCDGU5WQKUPPX7XY

  3. Oct 6

    AuthentiCity FM: Hot Sauce, Hard Times, and Hero Stories with Ron Holifield

    Ron Holifield has spent more than forty years in local government. He started in the city manager's office, then moved into the chair and went on to build the companies and networks that serve the profession, including SGR and Civic Marketplace. He no longer does city management, but he still calls himself a city manager. In this conversation, we talk about what that identity asks of people, and why the profession needs to remember where it came from. Ron traces his path from an internship in Lubbock to small-town Texas to Garland, where he wore a bulletproof vest for a year and was eventually fired. That experience taught him how isolating a forced exit can be, and how rarely the profession shows up for its own in those moments. It also gave him the belief he has carried ever since. It's not about me, it's not about now. From there the conversation widens. We talk about servant leadership as a working philosophy, the leadership pipeline the profession hollowed out after 2008, and why the best way to keep emerging leaders may be to prepare them to leave. Ron makes the case that the defining skill of a manager is the ability to engage, inspire, and lead people. We also explore why innovation needs room to fail, how councils elected by district can learn to serve as one body, and what it would take to equip elected officials for greatness. At the center of it all is a question the profession has been slow to answer. Who are today's Cookinghams? City management began as a reform movement, built by people who believed government could be truer, cleaner, and finer. Ron believes we have stopped telling those stories. He argues that the sewer plant operator keeping a city alive, and the council that protected public harbor access centuries ago, deserve the same telling. This is a conversation about camaraderie, courage, and the long view of public service. 00:00 Welcome Ron Holifield 01:09 From Lubbock to Sundown 03:03 Leaving the Chair, Keeping the Lens 09:01 Servant Leadership Out Loud 17:20 The Road to SGR 20:40 The Pipeline We Lost 32:30 Who Are Today's Cookinghams? 41:07 Connecting Beyond Communicating 47:31 Innovation and the Freedom to Fail 53:46 Equipping Elected Officials for Greatness 1:03:08 Ron Turns the Questions Around 1:17:53 The Last Word  Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: RFMCVJPBXZTHGTPN

  4. Sep 15

    AuthentiCity FM: Rituals, Return, and Renewal

    We are back. The return came wrapped in a run of eighties movie references, because of course it did, and underneath the fun was something real. After a few weeks of stepping away to enjoy the end of summer, we sat back down to do the thing leaders rarely allow themselves to do, which is stop long enough to notice what the pause was teaching us. This episode is part homecoming and part preview, a conversation about rituals, return, and the quiet renewal that comes from slowing down. We start with what the last five weeks actually held. A shadow from the past that resurfaced without warning. A week among 1,500 strangers at a conference far outside local government, where being a complete beginner turned out to be its own kind of gift. Two and a half days of full immersion with the newest members of the ICMA board, and the surprising speed with which shared purpose turns strangers into friends. Different experiences, one throughline about belonging and the value of seeing familiar work through unfamiliar eyes. From there we circle back to the ideas that stayed with us from our end of summer episodes. History rhymes. What feels like unprecedented instability has arrived before in different clothes, and the profession has always found its footing. Judgment, we keep returning to, is a form of civic infrastructure worth protecting. Then we turn toward what is coming. The ICMA conference in Long Beach and how to make a room of thousands feel human again. The questions we cannot keep deferring about how communities will pay for what they have promised. And a line one of us wrote while working through it all, that nostalgia is not a business plan. This is a return episode and a road map for the season ahead, made for anyone who has felt the pull to slow down and wondered what waits on the other side of the pause. CHAPTERS 00:00  Opening 03:13  Why Leaders Rarely Let Themselves Stop 12:05  The Episode That Stuck 15:52  Sometimes We're Our Own Worst Enemy 21:35  From Telling Stories to Building a Living Lab 24:41  Why Conferences Still Feel Like School 33:00  Navigating a 6,500-Person Conference 36:58  Mike's Masterclass in Making Friends 37:40  Change Agents and the Meaty-Topic Challenge 39:40  The Future of How We Pay for Everything 40:56  Reform, Reckoning, and Doing Less 43:37  We Built It Long Ago and Never Rebuilt It 46:03  Nostalgia Is Not a Business Plan 48:12  Not a Hobby Anymore HOSTS Phil Kiraly, Village Manager, Glencoe, Illinois LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philkiraly/ Mike Sable, City Manager, Maplewood, Minnesota LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-sable-b7994a14/ Corri Spiegel, President & CEO, Arete Strategic Website: www.aretestrategic.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/corrispiegel/ Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: UQ1GVTQBOR9IE5UB Follow AuthentiCity FM for more conversations with the people doing the work of local government: https://www.linkedin.com/company/authenticityfm

  5. Aug 11

    AuthentiCity FM, Episode 45: The Power to Convene with Bob O’Neill

    Coherence was the note the summer kept building toward, the thread that holds when everything else is pulling apart. This is the conversation about what that thread is actually for. We close the season with Bob O'Neill, former executive director of ICMA and one of the most respected thinkers this profession has produced, for an hour that keeps returning to a single idea, that the power that matters most in local government is the power to convene. Bob makes the case that local government is the last fully functioning level of government we have, which means the work of rebuilding civic life is going to bubble up from communities rather than arrive from anywhere else. That puts the manager in an unfamiliar seat. Writing a check used to solve most problems, and it rarely does anymore. What the moment asks for instead is someone who can bring a room together, hold a hard conversation inside a set of shared values, and keep it grounded when the forces nobody controls start to pull. Along the way we get into the traits that carry a leader through disruptive change, from anchoring an organization around mission and values to becoming what Bob calls the chief meaning officer, the person who keeps reminding everyone why the work matters at all. We talk about working across the lines on the map, the boundaries drawn long ago for taxation that no longer match how communities actually live. We talk about reverse mentorship and the handoff already underway, because the next generation is watching how we carry the work far more closely than they are reading any job description. There is a night at the White House and a conga line, because Bob tells a story as well as anyone in the business. And underneath all of it runs a steady, hard-won optimism, the belief that this profession has met moments like this before and found its way back toward the middle. Chapters 00:00 Closing the summer and what coherence is for 01:40 Welcoming Bob O'Neill 07:35 The last fully functioning level of government 09:19 When facts get treated as partisan 18:03 We have been through disruptive change before 20:38 The chief meaning officer 27:22 The social network that keeps you steady 35:50 The biggest power is the power to convene 41:15 The four traits that matter most 45:30 Putting meaning back into the work 47:59 Three reasons for optimism 53:10 Reverse mentorship and blending the generations 56:24 A night at the White House 1:03:14 ICMA, and why the network is the whole point 1:10:18 What better looks like for the profession 1:21:31 Welcoming people in and generational work 1:29:44 Closing thoughts GUEST Bob O’Neill LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-o-neill-5206a010/ HOSTS Phil Kiraly, Village Manager, Glencoe, Illinois LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philkiraly/ Mike Sable, City Manager, Maplewood, Minnesota LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-sable-b7994a14/ Corri Spiegel, President & CEO, Arete Strategic Website: www.aretestrategic.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/corrispiegel/ Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: S9H34SYCGYLJ18VL Follow AuthentiCity FM for more conversations with the people doing the work of local government: https://www.linkedin.com/company/authenticityfm

  6. Aug 4

    AuthentiCity FM, Episode 44: Seize the Cs - Coherence, Clarity, and Curiosity

    Some conversations wander. This one converges. After a summer spent working through truth and trust and the discipline of holding more than one version of what's real, we follow those threads to where they lead, which is coherence, and the clarity and curiosity that keep it alive. Coherence is the thread that holds when the forces you do not control try to pull everything apart. Clarity is what it brings, the center of gravity that lets you keep moving on ground that will not sit still. Curiosity is what keeps both sharp, because the moment we decide we have all the answers is the moment we stop asking the questions. None of this stays abstract for long. It lives in the hard conversation a supervisor keeps postponing, in respect offered freely and the harder truth that respect is not infinite, in what the 140-character world has quietly trained out of us. And it lives in the small acts of presence that cut through the noise. Ten days without devices. A cooler of ice cream carried through a public works garage after the storm. The conversations that only arrive when you finally slow down and sit with someone. Chapters 00:00 Introduction 06:16 The road into coherence, and where Phil planted the flag 11:11 Coherence as the thread, and a community becoming capital C Community 13:39 Clarity, the pogo ball, and the center of gravity 18:23 Living it, or seeing it only in hindsight 21:39 Curiosity as the skill you sharpen 31:28 Curiosity, humility, and the joy that keeps you going 34:39 Getting selective about the noise 38:51 Good faith, bad faith, and the lost guideposts 41:16 Respect given, and whether it's infinite 49:10 Analog by choice, and ten days without devices 59:15 The recipient of coherence, and a look ahead HOSTS Phil Kiraly, Village Manager, Glencoe, Illinois LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philkiraly/ Mike Sable, City Manager, Maplewood, Minnesota LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-sable-b7994a14/ Corri Spiegel, President & CEO, Arete Strategic Website: www.aretestrategic.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/corrispiegel/ Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: BHRUQAMPUEGCKSLG Follow AuthentiCity FM for more conversations with the people doing the work of local government: https://www.linkedin.com/company/authenticityfm

  7. Jul 28

    AuthentiCity FM, Episode 43: Trust is the Whole Job with Booker Hodges

    Some leaders spend an entire career learning to stay out of the way. This conversation is with one who chose the opposite. Booker Hodges, police chief in Bloomington, joins us for an hour that circles back again and again to the thing holding all of it together, which is trust, and how little of the job works without it. We start where he started, with the mentors who shaped him and a coffee-stained Dartmouth degree that taught him something about wearing accomplishment lightly. From there we get into the values underneath the department. He built the whole thing on a single word, respect, and he means it as something every person is owed rather than something they have to win. It shows up in how his officers talk to the community, in who makes it through hiring, and in why he interviews everyone who meets the bar instead of trusting a test to sort them. The middle of the conversation turns to the pressures reshaping the work. We talk about hiring for character and training for competence, about building an organization around the generation that will soon be most of it, and about why a century-old civil service model keeps producing good test takers instead of good officers. We get into the technology arriving faster than the guardrails, the privacy we surrender with a single unread click, and the harder question of who is actually overseeing any of it. Near the end, he names the threat he thinks too few people are willing to discuss out loud, and what political violence does to the quality of the people willing to serve. And he brings it home to the one relationship a city cannot afford to get wrong. Trust between a manager and a chief is the whole job, and everything good a community gets from its government tends to grow from there. 00:00 Introduction 02:19 The profession chose me 04:12 Mentors and the coffee-stained Dartmouth degree 07:49 Bringing a new generation into the work 11:28 Beards, tattoos, and a changed profession 13:27 The one value that runs the department 16:38 Why young people choose the badge 18:41 Building the organization around the next generation 22:43 Technology, privacy, and who oversees it 26:15 Surveillance and the data we give away 31:15 Proactive or reactive, and why staffing decides it 35:16 Hiring for character, training for competence 38:50 Why he doesn't trust civil service 42:46 Life outside the badge and being hood famous 44:56 Telling the story before Hollywood does 55:36 Clear expectations and backing your people 57:34 The threat nobody's naming, political violence 1:02:00 The question Booker has for city managers 1:12:21 The one relationship a city can't get wrong 1:14:05 Trust is the whole job GUEST Booker Hodgers, Police Chief, Bloomington, Minnesota YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BPD_MN Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BloomingtonPD.MN HOSTS Phil Kiraly, Village Manager, Glencoe, Illinois LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philkiraly/ Mike Sable, City Manager, Maplewood, Minnesota LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-sable-b7994a14/ Corri Spiegel, President & CEO, Arete Strategic Website: www.aretestrategic.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/corrispiegel/ Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: TFW8CPPXLXTQMLTY Follow AuthentiCity FM for more conversations with the people doing the work of local government: https://www.linkedin.com/company/authenticityfm

  8. Jul 21

    AuthentiCityFM, Episode 42: Leap or Be Left Behind with Jerry Driessen and Brent Messer

    This week we welcome Brent Messer, who spent eight years as chief information officer for the city of Chattanooga before moving to Info-Tech Research Group, and we welcome back Jerry Driessen, our first returning guest, whose career runs through some of the largest technology operations in local government. Together we spend an hour asking what the role of technology in a community actually is now that AI has arrived, and what it asks of the people who lead. Much of the conversation circles the person in the room whose job everyone assumes they understand. The old picture of the technologist keeping the lights on and answering the call when the printer breaks has very little to do with what the work has become. We talk about the vernacular that separates a partner from a vendor, about the seat where strategy actually gets decided, and about why the first call regarding the future so rarely reaches the person who will have to make that future work. From there we get into failure, and the strange comfort of a system that performs poorly without ever quite breaking. We look at why the public sector learned to move slowly, what shifts when a community starts thinking more like a startup, and where the partnerships hiding in plain sight actually live. There is a running argument about whether to buy technology or build it, and a metaphor about a tiger that nobody in the room can shake. Underneath all of it sits a question about trust and whether it was ever as solid as we remember. We work through public safety as a living laboratory, from the calls we answer to the systems we have never thought to question, and we sit with how expansive the change ahead might be. What it asks of us is a willingness to let go of how things have always been done, at a moment that may not come around again. CHAPTERS 00:00 Introductions 02:15 Brent's thirty years in and around public sector tech 07:10 What to look for in the next technology leader 09:50 The printer call, the first call, and partners not clients 13:22 Buy before build becomes build before buy 16:18 Risk aversion and the case for failure 22:22 The vanilla ERP problem 25:20 What keeps a CIO up at night, and advice for small communities 31:01 Staying ahead, and being sold a bill of goods 36:36 Thinking like a startup and the fake structures we built 41:47 Data governance without the fear 47:47 Public safety as a living lab 57:00 Skepticism, broken trust, and why trust keeps cycling 1:01:09 When transparency gets weaponized 1:03:54 Collisions and who's doing something worth watching 1:09:06 Talking to the people who hold the purse 1:13:02 Storytelling and leaping before you're left behind 1:18:50 The last word and the systems worth keeping GUESTS Brent Messer, Info-Tech Research Group Website: https://brentmesser.com/ Website: https://www.infotech.com/profiles/brent-messer LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dbmesser/ Book: Value-Driven: The CIOs Handbook for Digital Transformation and Innovation in the Public Sector (https://a.co/d/0cZpLsgI) Jerry Driessen, Celonis Website: https://www.celonis.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jerry-driessen-6997222/ HOSTS Phil Kiraly, Village Manager, Glencoe, Illinois LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philkiraly/ Mike Sable, City Manager, Maplewood, Minnesota LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-sable-b7994a14/ Corri Spiegel, President & CEO, Arete Strategic Website: www.aretestrategic.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/corrispiegel/ Book: ordinary: Harnessing the Power of Or in Everyday Moments (https://a.co/d/0cGQsoZV) Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: 9KW4BMZQ1AWJ9P6F Follow AuthentiCity FM for more conversations with the people doing the work of local government: https://www.linkedin.com/company/authenticityfm

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Communities thrive through caring leaders, residents, and dreamers. AuthentiCity FM brings local government stories to life, inviting all who want to make a difference. Discover honest views, fresh insights, and candid talks that inspire change. Whether you're a city manager, advocate, or curious, AuthentiCity FM reveals the ideas shaping our communities. Join us in a movement where authentic voices and bold ideas build tomorrow's cities.

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