What's Fear Got to Do With It | Fear, Growth & the Mind

Jo Wiese and Anne Wicking
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What's fear got to do with it podcast hosted by Jo Wiese and Anne Wicking explores how fear and challenges shape our lives. Through engaging conversations with diverse guests, we uncover how adversity drives growth and transformation.. whatsfear.substack.com

  1. When Shame Didn’t Win I Betrayal, Shame & Self-Worth

    1d ago

    When Shame Didn’t Win I Betrayal, Shame & Self-Worth

    In this conversation, 21-year-old Lauren Jones shares her journey from shame and isolation to self-compassion and strength. At 17, a devastating betrayal by her best friend triggered years of self-loathing, anxiety, and depression. But her story isn't just about surviving those years. It's about discovering what lies on the other side. Lauren reveals how shame lived in her body as a physical weight, intensified by the instruction to keep silent. Through solitude by the ocean, vulnerability at a leadership camp where she finally spoke her truth, and the transformative practice of writing compassionate notes to herself, Lauren slowly rebuilt her sense of self-worth. She explores how finding the right support, cultivating an inner voice of kindness, and giving herself permission to feel joy ultimately released years of carried shame. This is a story about breaking the silence, discovering you're not alone, and learning to show up for yourself with grace. About Our Guest Lauren Jones is a 21-year-old university student based in Melbourne majoring in Geography. Having been through her own struggles, she is greatly passionate about helping others, building communities, and learning more about the wonders of the Earth. Lauren spends her spare time trying to live as fantastically as possible. Read the full show notes on our Substack: https://whatsfear.substack.com/p/s2e11 00:00 The Life-Altering Conversation 02:44 Journey Through Self-Doubt and Anxiety 04:38 Finding Self-Worth and Acceptance 06:49 The Spiritual Awakening at Inverloch 09:08 Breaking Through Guilt and Shame 11:13 The Power of Community and Connection 17:07 Realizations at the Leadership Conference 19:20 Sharing My Story: The Importance of Vulnerability 21:24 Releasing Shame and Embracing Joy 26:00 The Transformative Power of Dance 29:30 Permission to Feel Joy 30:42 Embracing Grace and Self-Compassion 34:35 Finding Inner Strength 35:58 Key Moments of Growth 38:58 Looking Forward: Embracing the Future 43:12 Sharing Wisdom and Compassion 45:46 It's A Wrap This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit whatsfear.substack.com

    47 min
  2. Unmasking: Thriving Outside the Lines I Neurodivergence, Masking & Intuition

    Jun 2

    Unmasking: Thriving Outside the Lines I Neurodivergence, Masking & Intuition

    For over 40 years, Kylie Zeal was convinced something was fundamentally wrong with her brain. She masked. She tried to fit in. Then, three years ago, a diagnosis of neurodivergence, including ADHD and autism, changed everything. Not by fixing her, but by giving her permission to finally be herself. At 41, with no permanent home and no fixed address, Kylie discovered the kind of contentment most of us spend decades searching for by simply listening to what her body and mind were telling her. She explores masking: the exhausting performance of being someone you're not. She also reflects on how her late diagnosis forced her to develop invaluable tenacity and courage. This isn't just a story about neurodivergence and masking. It's also about listening to that quiet voice inside you that knows what you need, even when no one else understands. About Our Guest Kylie Zeal is a book coach and author who helps writers transform ideas, experiences, and expertise into meaningful fiction and non-fiction books. Proudly neurodivergent, she brings a distinctive perspective to manuscript analysis, helping authors strengthen clarity, structure, and authentic voice. Kylie has spent the past seven years travelling full-time while running her coaching business remotely. Read the full show notes on our Substack: https://whatsfear.substack.com/p/s2e10 00:00 The Journey Begins: Embracing Change 03:05 Facing Fears: The Courage to Leave Home 05:10 Understanding Neurodivergence: A Personal Revelation 07:41 Building a Life on My Terms 09:52 The Power of Self-Advocacy 12:21 Navigating Expectations: Finding My Path 14:34 The Impact of Diagnosis: A New Perspective 16:09 Living Authentically: The Freedom of Self-Discovery 22:18 Exploring Happiness and Sensory Connections 24:37 Living with Purpose and Spirituality 26:57 Navigating Diagnosis and Personal Growth 30:15 Understanding Masking and Authenticity 34:13 Embracing Neurodiversity as Strength 37:49 The Gift of Contentment and Trusting the Journey 41:55 It's A Wrap This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit whatsfear.substack.com

    43 min
  3. Strong, Scared... Still Laughing: Kim’s Story I Mastectomy, Fear & Courage

    May 19

    Strong, Scared... Still Laughing: Kim’s Story I Mastectomy, Fear & Courage

    In this conversation, Kim Hey shares her intimate journey through a diagnosis that forced her to confront not just her mortality, but her identity. When calcifications were discovered in both breasts, Kim faced a pivotal choice: a double mastectomy to prevent breast cancer. But this isn't just a story about loss. It's a story about what happens when you refuse to let fear paralyse you. As a nurse, Kim understood the medical reality. As a woman, she wrestled with fears about her body image, her sexuality, and the self-identity she'd built through twelve years of pole dancing. Yet instead of retreating, Kim transformed her fear into action, turning to humour as a survival tool. Through booby parties, ceremonial bra burnings, and dancing with surgical drains attached, Kim discovered something profound: strength and vulnerability aren't opposites. They're dance partners. Kim's journey reminds us that our story doesn't end with bad news. It's just entering a different chapter. About Our Guest Kim Hey is 55 and a sister, mum, nurse, wife, and soon-to-be personal trainer, with a passion for pole fitness, body movement, and body positivity. She is committed to making fitness fun, empowering, and accessible, even after major surgery. Read the full show notes on our Substack: https://whatsfear.substack.com/p/s2e9 00:00 A Life-Changing Diagnosis 02:48 Navigating Fear and Body Image 05:10 Finding Humor and Support 07:48 Embracing Change and Self-Discovery 09:43 Reclaiming Identity Through Movement 12:27 Community and Connection 14:35 Post-Surgery Acceptance and Growth 17:02 The Journey of Self-Love and Healing 22:46 Emotional Journey Through Writing 24:18 Navigating Multiple Journeys 25:44 Discovering Strength Post-Surgery 27:36 Emotional Growth and Self-Awareness 29:53 Grief and Acceptance 31:43 Finding New Identity 33:39 Words of Wisdom for Pre-Op Self 36:31 Gifts of the Experience 38:43 It's A Wrap This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit whatsfear.substack.com

    40 min
  4. Forgive to Thrive | Forgiveness, Resilience & Hope

    May 5

    Forgive to Thrive | Forgiveness, Resilience & Hope

    In this conversation, John Hendry OAM reveals his journey from a stammering child to a decorated educator who spent decades teaching others about forgiveness, relationships and hope. From his earliest days at school, John discovered that the people who looked beyond his challenges changed everything. But the moment that became the blueprint for his entire life came through tragedy. On his seventeenth birthday, after tragically losing his younger brother, John witnessed his father choose forgiveness in the darkest moment imaginable. That choice shaped everything that followed. Built on one principle, forgiveness is not weakness, it's the most enabling tool we possess. John shares how he learned to navigate life non-adversarially, speak to himself with compassion, and build quality relationships as the foundation of resilience. Explore how one man's commitment to forgiveness rippled outward to transform generations. About Our Guest John Hendry OAM, has taught in schools for over 50 years. He is a Life Member of Career Development Association of Australia and consultant to UNESCO in Bullying and School Violence. An ongoing “advisor” to Parents Victoria since 2017 and Active Education Australia.  Formerly the Director of Student Welfare at Geelong Grammar School, John is a man of many talents and has received an OAM (Education) and an OAM (Cricket). Read the full show notes on our Substack: https://whatsfear.substack.com/p/s2e8 00:00 Overcoming Stammering: A Journey Begins 02:32 The Role of Relationships in Managing Fear 06:29 The Impact of School on Self-Perception 08:12 Finding Self-Worth Through Sports 10:55 The Importance of Hope and Trust in Education 13:35 Forgiveness: A Key to Resilience 17:41 Navigating Forgiveness and Relationships 19:13 The Power of Non-Adversarial Relationships 23:40 Understanding Inhibiting Factors in Performance 28:04 The Role of Forgiveness in Personal Growth 32:38 Managing Fear and Emotional Responses 40:29 It's A Wrap This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit whatsfear.substack.com

    41 min
  5. Seventeen and Terrified: A Journey from Silence to Unstoppable | Fear, Courage & Self-Belief

    Apr 21

    Seventeen and Terrified: A Journey from Silence to Unstoppable | Fear, Courage & Self-Belief

    In this conversation, Sue Carr takes us back to a suburban dinner table in the 1970s, where a 17-year-old girl sat silently carrying a secret she had kept to herself for three months. Pregnant, terrified and frozen by fear, Sue describes waiting, hoping each day might somehow be different, until her mother asked one quiet question that changed everything. Sue shares how the unconditional love of her parents became the foundation for a life she never planned but built with quiet courage and determination. A life of marriage, five children, a return to study at 39, and a career as a primary school principal. This is a conversation about what happens when fear meets love, and love wins. About the power of sharing your burden. About showing up anyway. And about why it is never too late to take the next step. About Our Guest Principal, coach and author Sue Carr redefines strength, arguing that maintaining a “strong” facade often leads to burnout, isolation, and a neglect of one’s own needs. Her work advocates for a shift toward self-leadership, encouraging individuals to set firm boundaries and actively reclaim their energy and purpose. Read the full show notes on our Substack: https://whatsfear.substack.com/p/s2e7 00:00 Facing Fear: A Life-Changing Moment 04:26 The Power of Sharing Burdens 08:18 Self-Perception and Growth 12:08 Building Confidence and Resilience 16:07 Daily Rituals for Empowerment 20:02 Navigating Life's Challenges 20:51 Navigating Early Parenthood 25:46 Building Confidence Through Support 29:32 Embracing Opportunities for Growth 32:48 Defining Success and Personal Growth 37:02 The Greatest Gifts of Life 39:27 Key Takeaways for Life's Journey 40:50 It's A Wrap This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit whatsfear.substack.com

    42 min
  6. Tears, Trust & the Tribe Around Us: A Father, Son & Cancer I Community, Surrender & Trust

    Apr 7

    Tears, Trust & the Tribe Around Us: A Father, Son & Cancer I Community, Surrender & Trust

    When Justin Robinson's 11-year-old son Sam was diagnosed with bone cancer in 2012, Sam spent 250 nights in hospital and the family faced a constantly unpredictable path forward. Despite being planners who valued control, Justin learned three pieces of wisdom that became lifelines: "Don't plan," "Don't Google," and always say yes when people offer help. Through vulnerability and honesty, Justin reveals how fear was distributed across many shoulders and how accepting support held their entire family. This is a story about discovering that sometimes the bravest thing we can do is simply say yes to the help that surrounds us. About Our Guest Justin Robinson is the co-founder of The Wellbeing Distillery, which supports hundreds of schools across Australia and internationally to embed wellbeing into education. The former founding Director of the Institute of Positive Education at Geelong Grammar School and author of My Manifesto, he is recognised for his warmth, deep listening, and practical wisdom in helping individuals and communities to thrive. Justin is an Honorary Fellow at the University of Melbourne and a leading voice in the global positive education movement. Read the full show notes on our Substack: https://whatsfear.substack.com/p/s2e6 00:00 Introduction and Early Life Influences 00:38 The Health Challenge of Sam 03:29 Navigating the Diagnosis and Initial Reactions 07:00 Coping Mechanisms and Support Systems 10:17 Lessons Learned from the Journey 14:06 Reflections on Fear and Gratitude 15:54 The Positive Outcomes and Future Aspirations 18:42 The Unexpected Connection 21:05 Navigating Fear and Community Support 24:12 The Role of Communication in Healing 29:27 Embracing Emotions and Vulnerability 33:16 Resilience Through Challenges 38:15 The Gifts of Adversity 39:47 Practical Tips for Coping 42:06 It's A Wrap This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit whatsfear.substack.com

    43 min
  7. Writing Bud Back into History: Georgina Breaks the Silence I Fear, Silence & Justice

    Mar 24

    Writing Bud Back into History: Georgina Breaks the Silence I Fear, Silence & Justice

    In this conversation, Georgina Banks shares her journey of writing a book to honour her great aunt Bud, an Australian army nurse killed in the Bangka Island Massacre during World War II. What began as an act of remembrance became far more challenging when Georgina discovered the full truth had been suppressed for decades. Georgina reveals how she navigated intergenerational silence that had shaped her family for generations, carrying grief frozen since 1942. Despite never having written a book before, she felt compelled to speak up, ensuring these women's story was finally told with honesty and dignity. This isn't just about uncovering historical truth. It's about finding courage to speak when silence feels safer, and discovering that the opposite of fear isn't bravery, it's passion for justice. About Our Guest Georgina Banks is a writer, facilitator, and occasional performer, with an interest in what makes people tick and social justice issues. With backgrounds in performance and applied psychology she splits her time between her consulting business, ‘Changeable’, and her writing projects. Read the full show notes on our Substack: https://whatsfear.substack.com/p/s2e5 00:00 Unveiling Family Secrets: The Journey Begins 02:39 Confronting the Past: The Impact of War Crimes 05:11 Intergenerational Grief: A Family's Silent Struggle 10:16 The Weight of Silence: Navigating Family Dynamics 15:04 The Power of Storytelling: Writing as Healing 19:31 Finding Peace: The Response of Family 24:27 Passion for Justice: The Heart of the Narrative 25:42 Navigating Vulnerability and Criticism 29:34 The Drive for Justice and Storytelling 31:08 The Gift of Writing and Family Healing 34:49 Personal Growth Through Adversity 41:06 Lessons Learned and Messages for the Future 47:43 It's A Wrap This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit whatsfear.substack.com

    47 min
  8. Fear, Focus & Trading Triumph I Fear, Resilience & Trading

    Mar 10

    Fear, Focus & Trading Triumph I Fear, Resilience & Trading

    Louise Bedford shares her journey from a rebellious teenager to a thriving share market trader. When illness stripped away her corporate identity, she discovered her real worth. She opens up about her darkest moment, sitting alone during COVID lockdowns, unable to speak, questioning whether to keep going. In the silence, Louise learned that choosing life isn't always about grand epiphanies. It's about remembering your purpose and understanding that you have agency over who you become, even when everything feels impossible. An open conversation about resilience that doesn't sugarcoat the mess, and a reminder that we are far more capable than our circumstances suggest. Content Warning: This episode includes discussions about suicide. Please prioritise your wellbeing as you listen, and reach out to a mental health professional or a local helpline for any additional support. (Australia: Lifeline: 13 11 14 Beyondblue: 1300 224 636.) About Our Guest Louise Bedford is a behavioural finance expert, professional trader, and Australia’s most prolific female author on the sharemarket. She’s written six bestselling books, founded the popular site Trading Game, and hosts the Talking Trading podcast. Read the full show notes on our Substack: https://whatsfear.substack.com/p/s2e4 00:00 The Moment of Change 03:51 Childhood Influences and Money Scripts 06:42 Lessons from Family Dynamics 09:31 The Impact of Health Challenges 12:29 Finding Identity Through Trading 15:35 The Power of Persistence 18:16 Mindfulness and Future Planning 29:16 Listening to Our Inner Voice 29:49 Personal Snap Points and Turning Points 31:33 The Journey of Recovery and Resilience 34:40 Finding Purpose Amidst Adversity 40:16 Aligning Values with Purpose 43:39 The Connection Between Intuition and Action 45:57 Choosing Life and Embracing Change 50:08 Advice for the Younger Self 50:23 Top Tips for Overcoming Fear 53:58 It's A Wrap This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit whatsfear.substack.com

    54 min
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