The Homeboy Way

The Homeboy Way

The Homeboy Way Podcast invites listeners into stories of healing, kinship, and transformation. Hosted by Tom Vozzo, former longtime CEO of Homeboy Industries, alongside Fr. Greg Boyle, S.J., and illuminating guests, the show explores what happens when people are seen, cherished, and given space to heal.   The Homeboy team will talk about trauma, redemption, social justice, faith, and business efforts that foster healing, but more than anything, we talk about belonging and what happens when you meet people where they're at. The Homeboy Way, a movement of radical kinship.

  1. 6d ago

    From Gang Life to Homeboy to Hollywood: Joseph Lucero’s Story

    Joey Ray, (Joseph Raymond Lucero), never expected his life to take him from a California Youth Authority facility to a Hollywood film set. But a chance encounter with Father Greg Boyle in prison, and a program called Criminals and Gang Members Anonymous, set him on a path toward Homeboy Industries, sobriety, and eventually an acting career. In this episode, Tom Vozzo sits down with Joey to explore the long road from prison to purpose. Joey reflects on how Criminals and Gang Members Anonymous helped him understand gang life as an addiction, why becoming a father gave him the courage to confront alcoholism, and how learning to love himself transformed every relationship in his life. He also shares the unexpected path that led him into acting, the lessons he's carried from Homeboy Industries, and why being transparent about his past has become one of his greatest strengths. Together, they discuss redemption, recovery, and the power of radical kinship, revealing how lasting change begins when someone believes in you before you're able to believe in yourself. Key Takeaways Gang life was an addiction, not just choices.  CGA treats it as a lifestyle addiction rooted in craving respect he lacked at home. Change came from refusing to hurt loved ones. His son bailing him out of jail after his last drink in 2015 was the real turning point. Presence matters more than perfection.  He still bumps heads with his daughters, but now he shows up, including finally making   amends to Tom. Survival instincts explain behavior, they don't excuse it.  Hustling and stress from tough circumstances shape actions, but real harm still needs accountability. Fatherhood forced honest change.  He admits he'd grown okay with chaos until his son's existence pushed him to stop. Faith survived hardship.  After being shot four times and stabbed, he never blamed God, believing Homeboy was his purpose. In This Episode: [00:02] Introduction [00:45] Joey makes amends to Tom [02:19] Meeting Father Greg in prison [03:28] What is CGA, and gang life as addiction [07:37] Getting hired by Father Greg [08:42] Moving to LA, becoming a father [09:26] Early days at Homeboy in Boyle Heights [11:13] Balancing two families, two cities [11:38] Becoming a public speaker for Homeboy [15:39] Continued struggles with alcohol [16:36] The moment his son confronted him [18:01] Learning to love himself [22:25] Loss within the Homeboy community [24:28] How he broke into acting [26:22] Getting "discovered" on set [29:02] What he loves about acting [33:37] Being named Homeboy Hero at Lo Máximo [36:26] Spirituality and faith [39:20] What he's hopeful for Notable Quotes "You gotta love yourself before they can love others." — Joey Ray [19:48] "The moment you really start living for yourself, you're actually able to be there for everybody else." — Joey Ray [18:01] Resources and Links Homeboy Industries https://homeboyindustries.org/ https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/ Homeboy Media  https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/ Thomas Vozzo https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X Credits: Hosted by: Tom Vozzo Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

    From Gang Life to Homeboy to Hollywood: Joseph Lucero’s Story
  2. Jul 29

    Building Businesses That Heal: Kabira Stokes on Circular Economy and Social Impact

    Kabira Stokes never planned to become an entrepreneur. After 9/11, she became an anti-war activist, searching for ways to create meaningful change. That journey led her from city government and criminal justice policy into an unexpected realization: instead of waiting for policy to create opportunities, she could create jobs herself. In this episode, Tom Vozzo sits down with Kabira Stokes to explore the intersection of justice, business, and community. Kabira shares how founding Isidore Recycling eventually became Homeboy Recycling, why hiring people returning from incarceration isn't charity but smart business, and how entrepreneurship can become a powerful vehicle for second chances. Together, they reflect on the evolution of Homeboy Recycling from a small startup generating $650,000 in revenue to a thriving, multimillion-dollar enterprise that creates meaningful employment for people rebuilding their lives. Kabira also discusses why local action creates lasting change, how community gives people hope, and why businesses have a responsibility to see potential where others only see a criminal record. Key Takeaways One conversation can spark a movement A simple conversation about recycling eventually became Homeboy Recycling, proving big ideas often begin with small moments. Partnerships create greater impact Homeboy helped scale the business with funding, wraparound services, and a shared commitment to second chances. People deserve opportunities, not labels With the right support, people returning from incarceration become dependable employees and future leaders. Business can be a force for good A successful company can deliver excellent service while creating meaningful employment for people rebuilding their lives. Transformation is the real measure of success The greatest achievement isn't revenue, it's watching employees build lasting careers, stability, and hope for the future. In This Episode: [00:00] Introduction [01:10] First Homeboy encounter [02:05] 9/11 to activism [04:25] Faith and justice roots [05:15] Inside city government [07:10] Studying prisons and reentry [09:10] Launching Isidore Recycling [12:15] Joining forces with Homeboy [15:30] Social enterprise realities [18:00] Hiring stories that matter [21:00] How to hire returning citizens [22:15] New York and the next chapter [25:15] Local change and community [28:05] Why recycle with Homeboy [28:50] Closing thanks and farewell Notable Quotes "I guess I could go work for the state and create policy that will create jobs, or I could just create some jobs." — Kabira Stokes [00:10:04] “If you're gonna work hard at something, it might as well have real impact.” — Kabira [15:46] Resources and Links Homeboy Industries https://homeboyindustries.org/ https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/ Homeboy Media  https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/ Thomas Vozzo https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X Credits: Hosted by: Tom Vozzo Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

    Building Businesses That Heal: Kabira Stokes on Circular Economy and Social Impact
  3. Jul 22

    More Than Merch: From Stranger Danger to Retail and Recovery with Homeboy’s Joe Tarin

    Joe Tarin never imagined he would one day lead a business that helps transform lives. After years of addiction, incarceration, and believing he didn't belong anywhere, one conversation with a friend led him through the doors of Homeboy Industries. What began with fear and uncertainty eventually became a journey of healing, recovery, and leadership. In this episode, Tom Vozzo sits down with Joe Tarin, the newly promoted manager of the Homeboy Merchandise Store, to talk about his remarkable transformation. Joe shares how rehab changed his perspective, why Homeboy gave him hope when no one else would, and how managing a business is about far more than sales. It's about creating a safe space where people rebuilding their lives can grow with confidence. Together, they explore what makes Homeboy's social enterprises different, why communication and connection matter just as much as business results, and how every purchase supports someone working toward a brighter future. Joe also reflects on his goals, his passion for helping others in recovery, and why products with a purpose can truly change lives. Key Takeaways Growth starts by changing what you value Joe realized he had been chasing approval for the wrong things. Homeboy helped him replace instant gratification with purpose and personal growth. Recovery requires accepting support  After relapsing, Joe chose rehab and returned to Homeboy, where accountability and compassion allowed him to rebuild his life. One opportunity can restore hope When Father Greg offered Joe a job despite his past, it became the turning point that showed him he was worthy of a second chance. Every product has a purpose The merchandise store isn't just about selling apparel. Every purchase helps fund training, support, and opportunities for people beginning their own transformation. Supporting Homeboy changes lives Every sale strengthens multiple social enterprises, creates meaningful employment, and helps more people rebuild their lives and reconnect with their families. In This Episode: [00:00] Introduction [00:57] The concept of stranger danger [02:14] Joe's road to Homeboy [03:32] Meeting Father Greg [03:56] Relapse and rehab return [05:28] Finding joy after rehab [06:05] From recycling to retail [07:12] New store manager life [08:07] Learning business basics [09:02] Training and leadership [10:15] Recovery through service [11:20] Selling books and swag [11:59] Future goals and peer support [12:53] Product with a purpose tour [13:29] Best sellers showcase [14:54] Designing the teal crewneck [16:34] Candles and morning meetings [17:50] Closing thanks and outro  Notable Quotes "When he says hope, I believe in hope for real." — Joe Tarin [03:33] "It's not just a logo. These are products with a purpose." — Joe Tarin [13:07] Resources and Links Homeboy Industries https://homeboyindustries.org/ https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/ Homeboy Media  https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/ Thomas Vozzo https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X Credits: Hosted by: Tom Vozzo Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

    More Than Merch: From Stranger Danger to Retail and Recovery with Homeboy’s Joe Tarin
  4. Jul 15

    Homegirls on the Mic: An Interview with Tom Vozzo

    After spending years interviewing homies, healers, and thought leaders, Tom Vozzo finally finds himself on the other side of the microphone. In this special episode of The Homeboy Way, Dyamond Watts, Angel Rodriguez, and Vianka Villagomez turn the tables on Tom and ask the questions that reveal the person behind the leadership lessons. Tom reflects on his journey from corporate America to serving nearly 13 years as CEO of Homeboy Industries. He explains why compassion and business performance are not opposing ideas, how companies can build more engaged workforces, and why providing good jobs to people experiencing poverty is both morally responsible and economically smart. The conversation also explores Tom’s spiritual growth, the ego and pride he had to release, his friendship with Fr. Greg Boyle, S.J., and the pressure he carried while leading Homeboy Industries. Through honest stories, laughter, and a few unexpected questions, Tom shares how Homeboy transformed his understanding of success, leadership, belonging, and what it means to help people discover their own worth. Key Takeaways Compassion and business results can coexist. Tom challenges the belief that successful companies must choose between caring for employees and delivering strong results. Engaged, supported employees are more likely to remain loyal, productive, and invested in the organization’s success. True fulfillment is found in relationship. Corporate achievement gave Tom financial success, but it did not provide the deeper fulfillment he later discovered through service, kinship, and working alongside others. Purpose is sustained through action. For Tom, faith is not only about reflection or prayer. It means waking up each day and doing something concrete to help another person. Anger can be acknowledged without being carried forever. Tom speaks candidly about his frustration with the bias and discrimination homies continue to experience, while explaining why his daily spiritual practice helps him release that anger. In This Episode [00:00] Introduction: Turning the tables on Tom Vozzo [01:35] What corporate America misunderstands about compassionate leadership [04:33] How good jobs, fair wages, and employee support strengthen businesses [06:55] What Tom recognized in Homeboy trainees and emerging leaders [09:00] The emptiness of corporate success and redefining what it means to win [10:57] Letting go of ego, pride, and the need to prove yourself [13:09] What motivates Tom, and the pressure of leading Homeboy Industries [16:29] Spiritual practice, anger, and confronting society’s treatment of homies [18:49] The hugs, laughter, and relationships that surprised Tom at Homeboy [19:47] Meeting Fr. Greg Boyle, S.J. and becoming CEO of Homeboy Industries [22:19] Why Tom stepped down and prepared the next generation of leaders [24:17] The wisdom behind The Homeboy Way and Tom’s message to listeners Notable Quotes “The true way to get to belonging, compassion, and kinship is working on ourselves to heal.” — Tom Vozzo [06:03] “Wake up every day and look to help people.” — Tom Vozzo [15:09] “Being CEO of Homeboy is the best job I’ve ever had.” — Tom Vozzo [22:25] “You can run a business or you can run your life with the values of kinship, compassion, and love.” — Tom Vozzo [24:49] “We are loved. It’s easy to say, but not enough people believe that.” — Tom Vozzo [25:17] Resources and Links Homeboy Industries https://homeboyindustries.org/ https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/ Homeboy Media  https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/ Thomas Vozzo https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X Credits: Hosted by: Tom Vozzo Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

    Homegirls on the Mic: An Interview with Tom Vozzo
  5. Jul 8

    Do You Want to Do Good or Feel Good? Kimberly Moore on Courageous Leadership

    Kimberly Moore went from a mattress in a crack house to building a $51 million campus in one of Louisville's most violent neighborhoods. The moment that changed everything came when she watched a six-year-old girl get slapped by her mother for saying she was hungry. Kimberly got up, walked out, and went to treatment. She has been sober since 1998. In this episode, Tom Vozzo sits down with Kimberly Moore to talk about second chances, speaking truth to power, and what it really means to never forget where you came from. Kimberly now works alongside the police who used to lock her up and has the attorney general on speed dial. She challenges donors with a simple question. "Do you want to do good, or do you want to feel good?" When a funder said no, Kimberly did not get angry. She heard "not right now." Two years later, they gave her $50,000. For her 60th birthday, Kimberly brought everyone to the Muhammad Ali Center, the people she got high with and the people who helped her get sober. She will not apologize for her life getting good, and she will not dim her light for anyone still in darkness. Her credentials? "A PhD from the streets." Key Takeaways Look underneath the behavior Behavior often reflects deeper struggles like trauma, family conflict, or unstable housing. Real support begins by addressing the root cause. Delay is not denial Kimberly sees rejection as "not right now." Persistence turned one funding rejection into a future $50,000 grant. Someone took a chance on you, too Because someone believed in her, Kimberly believes others deserve the same opportunity to change. Sobriety doesn't mean leaving people behind Recovery didn't separate Kimberly from her community. She stays connected so others know help is always available. Change happens on its own timeline People change when they're ready. Kimberly's turning point came from within, not from pressure or persuasion. Don't count the addict out Someone believed in Kimberly when she couldn't repay them. That grace shaped her commitment to helping others recover. Withholding a chance wastes potential One mistake shouldn't define a life. Second chances allow people to discover their purpose. A PhD from the streets still counts Kimberly embraces her past and uses it to lead, refusing to apologize for where she came from or where she's going. In This Episode: [00:00] Introduction [00:27] Meet Kimberly Moore [01:27] Kimberly’s work today [02:22] Leaving politics for purpose [03:27] Truth to power on violence [07:26] Finding Homeboy Network [09:05] Building a one-stop campus [11:36] Second chances and self-care [14:44] Getting sober for real [17:35] Why people deserve more chances [18:33] Second chances mindset [19:44] Hard truths with families [22:58] Right time for change [24:52] Not apologizing for growth [26:15] Therapy and boundaries [27:04] Do good or feel good [28:39] Homeboy redefines success [29:57] Owning your story [30:54] Hope and legacy Notable Quotes “I don't operate in fear, and I see so many people in corporate America that operate in fear, and I just don't.” — Kimberly [18:13] “Being brought out of darkness comes with the responsibility to be a light for others.” — Kimberly [00:23:44] Resources and Links Homeboy Industries https://homeboyindustries.org/ https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/ Homeboy Media  https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/ Thomas Vozzo https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X Credits: Hosted by: Tom Vozzo Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

    Do You Want to Do Good or Feel Good? Kimberly Moore on Courageous Leadership
  6. Jul 1

    It's All Wound: Fr. Greg Boyle on Healing Over Punishment

    When Tom Vozzo stepped down as CEO of Homeboy Industries after thirteen years, he thought he would finally get some peace. What he did not expect was how much he would still need the place and how much it would still need him. In this episode, Tom sits down with founder Fr. Greg Boyle, S.J. to talk about what happens when you stop running an organization but refuse to leave it behind. Fr. Greg admits it was not always easy letting go. But he learned early that Homeboy's magic is not in its policies or programs. It is in the noticing. The text that says "How was your weekend?" The homie who turns around and walks back to greet you because they saw you park. The simple act of paying loving attention. They unpack the question that has guided Fr. Greg for decades. "What do we think we are doing here?" It is a check against conventional wisdom, a reminder that you do not punish wound. You heal it. And they share why no kid ever joins a gang seeking adventure. They are always fleeing something. With board members, with travelers on the road, with homies finding their voice on stage, the answer is always the same. Tell your story. Stay humble. And remember, none of us got here on our own. Key Takeaways Compassion starts with understanding When you understand what someone has survived, it's harder to judge them and easier to walk alongside them. Privilege is often the luck of the draw Fr. Greg reflects on how easily his life could have gone differently. Sometimes geography, circumstance, and opportunity make all the difference. Success should make us humble Tom shares how Homeboy challenged his assumptions about leadership and taught him to listen before offering solutions.  Punishment isn't part of the Homeboy Way Homeboy doesn't focus on consequences for their own sake. The goal is transformation, not punishment.  Name the wound, not the behavior When organizations focus only on behavior, they miss the deeper issue. Healing begins when we understand what's underneath.  It's all wound, all the time The Homeboy philosophy starts with a simple belief: beneath most destructive behavior is pain, trauma, or loss that has never been healed.  In This Episode: [00:00] Introduction [01:05] Fr. Greg's role today [02:06] Letting go of leadership [04:21] How to lead without taking over [06:40] Asking the right questions [08:28] Choosing compassion over punishment [11:56] When gang members were written off [14:14] Why people deserve another chance [16:10] Leadership, boards, and trust [18:15] What privilege really means [21:39] Knowing what you don't know [23:31] Why stories change minds [25:57] Staying connected to the mission [28:17] Why Homeboy doesn't believe in punishment [30:19] The power of being seen [32:55] Taking homies on the road [34:01] Helping people find their voice [37:27] Trust, responsibility, and travel [39:46] Lessons from the road Notable Quotes "No hopeful kid has ever joined a gang. They're always fleeing something." — Greg [00:36:16] "The homies have taught me everything of value. That's not hyperbole. I really believe that." — Greg [00:20:21] "You have to name things correctly, otherwise you're gonna go down a rabbit hole. Homeboy knows that this is all wound. It's all wound all the time." — Greg [00:29:50] "I would never let you go. I understand the benefit and how rich this place is. But you're the boss, and you get to decide whether you stay here or not." — Greg [00:14:37] Resources and Links Homeboy Industries https://homeboyindustries.org/ https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/ Homeboy Media  https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/ Thomas Vozzo https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X Credits: Hosted by: Tom Vozzo Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

    It's All Wound: Fr. Greg Boyle on Healing Over Punishment
  7. Jun 24

    Lauren Tom on Spiritual Mentorship with Homeboy’s Fr. Greg Boyle

    Actor Lauren Tom has spent decades moving audiences through roles in The Joy Luck Club, Friends, Futurama, and more. But in this episode of The Homeboy Way, she joins Tom Vozzo to talk about the story that moved her: Homeboy Industries. After reading Fr. Greg Boyle S.J.’s Tattoos on the Heart and hearing him speak, Lauren knew she had to get involved, even if she didn’t yet know what she could offer. What began with a book club and a muddy early Homeboy 5K became a 15-year relationship with the organization, its mission, and its people. Lauren shares how Fr. Greg became a spiritual mentor, how Homeboy helped her move from fear to compassion, and why being honored as a Community Hero at Lo Máximo meant more to her than any Hollywood award ever could. Together, Tom and Lauren explore second chances, first chances, belonging, fandom, representation, and the simple but radical idea that relationships change everything. This is a conversation about what happens when people are seen with love, and how one person, one introduction, one act of compassion, can help someone remember they belong. Key Takeaways Homeboy turns fear into relationship. Lauren shares how she used to feel afraid when seeing someone with gang tattoos. Through Homeboy, that fear shifted into recognition, humanity, and a simple willingness to say hello. Second chances are often first chances. Tom and Lauren discuss how many Homeboy trainees were never given a real first chance to be loved, believed in, educated, or seen without judgment. Belonging is a healing force. Whether at the Homeboy 5K, Lo Máximo, or a fan convention, Lauren sees the same human need everywhere: people want to belong to something bigger than themselves. Hope is an everyday practice. Lauren reminds us that hope is not passive. It can be as small as making one phone call, building one relationship, or asking one person to help. In This Episode [00:00] Introduction [01:17] How Lauren first discovered Homeboy Industries [02:06] Why Fr. Greg’s stories make people laugh and cry [04:40] Why the Homeboy 5K feels bigger than a run [06:34] Fr. Greg as Lauren’s spiritual mentor [09:43] Why everything in life is about relationship [10:35] How Homeboy changed Lauren’s view of gang members [13:30] Why Lo Máximo meant more than an Oscar [14:01] The meaning of collective effervescence [14:52] The hope and joy people feel at Homeboy [16:22] The Homeboy story Lauren never forgot [17:59] Why one person believing in someone can change a life [18:35] Bringing Lauren’s fan communities into Homeboy’s mission [27:02] Why Lauren keeps coming back to Homeboy [29:15] The current state of the entertainment industry in Los Angeles [30:16] How Lauren stays hopeful [31:41] Why people need a visceral experience of Fr. Greg’s message [33:52] Closing reflections Notable Quotes “I feel so deeply blessed that I get to live in the same time that Fr. Boyle is alive.” — Lauren Tom [06:34] “At the end of the day, I feel like everyone just wants to belong. And that’s the beauty of Homeboy.” — Lauren Tom [20:53] “I can’t help but fundraise for Homeboy. I feel like it’s not even a choice for me. It’s something I need to do.” — Lauren Tom [27:15] “Relationships, just keep building those relationships and not being shy about asking for help with the people you know already love you.” — Lauren Tom [28:07] Resources and Links Lauren Tom https://laurentom.com/ https://www.instagram.com/laurentom9000/ Homeboy Industries https://homeboyindustries.org/ https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/ Homeboy Media  https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/ Thomas Vozzo https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X Credits: Hosted by: Tom Vozzo Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

    Lauren Tom on Spiritual Mentorship with Homeboy’s Fr. Greg Boyle
  8. Jun 17

    Dads Stepping Up: Homeboy’s George Nunez and Daniel Martinez on the Courage to Stay

    George Nunez, Head of Security at Homeboy Industries, spent years in and out of prison. He shut out the world, including his own children, because showing weakness behind bars wasn't an option. Daniel Martinez, a Navigator at Homeboy Industries, asked his parole officer to lock him up again rather than feel like a burden to his brother. Both men walked through Homeboy's doors expecting nothing more than a resume or tattoo removal. What they found instead was a place that wouldn't give up on them and wouldn't let them give up on their kids. In this episode, host Tom Vozzo sits down with George and Daniel to talk about what real fatherhood looks like when you're learning from scratch. They discuss the terror of being vulnerable, the slow work of putting ego aside, and the unexpected mentors, including Father Greg, whom they now call "Dad." Together, they prove that the cycle of abandonment can be broken, one parenting class, one 2:00 a.m. phone call, and one soaked train ride with a baby at a time. Key Takeaways Show up even when you're not ready George doubted himself and didn't want to come to Homeboy, but he chose to show up on Monday. Healing is an inside job George learned in therapy that wanting to change isn't enough,  you have to work on what's inside and let someone help you figure it out. It's not about you anymore George says you save the next person walking through the door, because someone saved you. This lifestyle requires you to care and feel things you never felt before. "You're never in my way" George expected to be scolded by Father Greg, but Greg said, "You start Monday." That one invitation changed everything. Straddling the fence takes time Daniel wanted to be a father, but the lifestyle kept pulling him back. Change didn't happen overnight; it was a battle. Prison taught me to shut the world off George blocked everyone out to survive. Coming home meant learning a new way to be one where you don't have to hide. In This Episode: [00:00] Introduction [00:25] Meet Daniel Martinez and George Nunez [01:05] Daniel finds Homeboy after prison [02:35] Discovering support through classes and community [04:11] Feeling like a burden to family [05:36] George returns to Homeboy in 2013 [08:09] Therapy, trauma, and looking within [10:46] Choosing fatherhood over gang life [11:42] Learning how to be a dad [16:17] The Challenge Program and accountability inside prison [17:44] Trying to be a father while incarcerated [19:05] George explains why he shut the world out [19:59] Learning fatherhood after prison [21:22] Earning back the right to be called Dad [21:55] Parenting classes and communication skills [22:59] Their children begin to see the change [23:58] Father Greg as the father figure they never had [25:42] Learning fatherhood with a new baby [27:02] Mentoring trainees with patience and compassion [28:50] Dreams and hopes for their children [31:54] Why Homeboy feels like family [33:19] Finding joy through fatherhood and healing [36:10] Closing reflections and outro Notable Quotes “I felt the embrace. I felt the love. And I hadn’t even started therapy yet.” — George [00:07:56] “It’s not easy to change. It didn’t take days or months for me. It took years.” — Daniel [00:12:49] “Being a father now is giving my kids what I never got.” — George [00:23:54] Resources and Links Homeboy Industries https://homeboyindustries.org/ https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/ Homeboy Media  https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/ Thomas Vozzo https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X Credits: Hosted by: Tom Vozzo Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

    Dads Stepping Up: Homeboy’s George Nunez and Daniel Martinez on the Courage to Stay
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The Homeboy Way Podcast invites listeners into stories of healing, kinship, and transformation. Hosted by Tom Vozzo, former longtime CEO of Homeboy Industries, alongside Fr. Greg Boyle, S.J., and illuminating guests, the show explores what happens when people are seen, cherished, and given space to heal.   The Homeboy team will talk about trauma, redemption, social justice, faith, and business efforts that foster healing, but more than anything, we talk about belonging and what happens when you meet people where they're at. The Homeboy Way, a movement of radical kinship.

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