Thriving Dancers Podcast

Karina

Thriving Dancers bridges the gap between holistic wisdom and modern science to help dance moms nurture strong, balanced, and joyful dancers, in body, mind, and spirit. Hosted by Karina Klepach, a doctoral student and Integrative Health educator with a Master of Science in Integrative Health and a BA in Neuroscience, this podcast explores what truly supports a dancer’s well-being and longevity. Each episode blends practical education, compassion, and a healthy dose of humor as Karina dives into homeopathy, herbs, emotional wellness, recovery, lifestyle habits, and how to integrate holistic care with conventional choices when needed. Through expert interviews, personal stories, and relatable conversations, Thriving Dancers helps moms feel informed, supported, and inspired to raise dancers who thrive in the studio and in life.

  1. 6d ago

    New York City Ballet Legend -advice to dance moms and their dancers

    All the guests who grace this podcast with their presence are absolutely amazing! How I wish this podcast existed when my dancer was just starting out as a serious dancer (flashback 10 years...ahhhh), and this podcast existed for ME to help support her as a whole person. Today is no different, AND we elevate this episode with a true legend -Zippora Karz. Dance Moms: honestly, this episode is another must-listen if you have a serious dancer! I sit down with former New York City Ballet soloist Zippora Karz, who trained at Balanchine’s school while he was still alive and has some GOLD wisdom to share with the new generation of dancers and their dance moms! Zippora didn’t even know you could dance for a living. She grew up in the San Fernando Valley in the 1970s, fell in love with the work in her teacher Sheila’s studio, and at 15 was asked to stay in New York as a winter student. Her first thought? “I’m only 15. Are they crazy?” She went anyway, with one month to prepare and no winter coat. By her second year in the company she was dancing the Sugar Plum Fairy. Then at 21, she was diagnosed with diabetes (and misdiagnosed at first). For about 10 years she bounced between opinions, diets, and insulin doses, sitting on the side night after night watching younger dancers take the roles she once danced. She almost quit, every single day. Instead, she made a pact with herself to give the right approach a real chance. She started feeling better, her roles came back, and in time she was promoted to soloist. Today she teaches at the Colburn School and stages Balanchine ballets as a répétiteur for the George Balanchine Trust. And what she tells her own students might surprise you: there’s no need to go too early. We also talked about perfectionism, giving our power away as dance parents (guilty!), what to do when your dancer is in the wrong environment, and why it might be time to fit the world around the child instead of fitting the child into the dance world. This episode answers: Should your dancer leave home for a year-round program at 12, 14, or 15? What happens if the path doesn’t go the way your dancer planned? How do you speak up to a teacher or director without starting a fight? What if the only serious ballet training in your town isn’t a healthy environment? How can you support an 11-year-old who says she wants to dance forever? Inside this episode (00:00) Meet Zippora Karz, author of The Sugarless Plum(00:52) A family of dancers: Vaudeville, Juilliard, and the San Fernando Valley(02:17) Sheila, the teacher with flat feet who caught Balanchine’s eye(04:22) “You have to love the process”(05:12) Why the structure of the studio can be life-giving for kids(07:11) Leaving for New York at 15: “I’m only 15. Are they crazy?”(12:05) Seeing New York City Ballet: “You can do this for a living?”(14:27) Why Zippora tells her students there’s no need to go too early (and why she loves college programs)(16:33) Her friend who quit, went to Yale, and is still performing in her mid-60s(17:49) Chasing the YAGP trophy, and why there’s only one childhood(20:05) The diagnosis at 21, and the misdiagnosis that came first(22:58) “Just tell me what to do”: 10 years of everyone’s opinion(24:28) Almost quitting, every day, and what journaling showed her(27:27) Feeling better, roles coming back, and the promotion to soloist(28:17) Perfectionism, and accepting a new potential(29:58) It won’t be a perfect performance. Is she willing to let that be?(30:46) The perfection carrot, and how corrections land for dancers(34:48) Giving our power away to studios, providers, and the dance world(37:37) Powerlessness, and finding healthy control(40:01) Anger is healthy, and the “When you did this, it made me feel” script(42:20) “I’d be dead without insulin”: medicine plus whole-human support(44:07) Private lessons and mentorship, without the pressure(45:53) What if your dancer is in the wrong environment?(49:10) We can’t save our kids from every hard experience(50:42) Three ways to support a young dancer who wants to dance forever(51:57) Why her mom couldn’t win after a performance (sound familiar?)(54:52) When they can’t get to class: other movement, school dance programs, and many styles(57:52) Full circle: it was never about “making it,” it was the magic(58:54) When a dancer’s health is in question: take care of you first, then work dance into it(01:00:28) Fitting the world around the child first(01:01:53) Zippora’s final word: more colt than Thoroughbred, and it’s okay to fall down(01:04:23) Sitting out injured? Keep them moving in other ways(01:05:30) Baryshnikov on stage, and “I get to be here”(01:06:26) Where to find Zippora, and bringing a Balanchine ballet to your studio Takeaways No need to rush. With good training where you live and a family your dancer is happy with, Zippora sees no reason to send her away young. Companies take dancers a little older now, and college programs offer performing, education, and a little more protection. It’s never over. A no, a pause, or a health detour doesn’t close the door. You connect those dots looking backwards. Take care of the human first. Figure out what your dancer’s body needs, then see how dance fits into that, not the other way around. Perfect isn’t the goal. Zippora had to accept that some performances would include a missed turn, and that she still belonged on that stage. Speak up without blame. “When you did this, it made me feel...” opens a dialogue instead of a defense. Support their hearts. No gold medal or title brings peace. The love of the everyday moments does. Find ZipporaBook: The Sugarless Plum, on Amazon [CHECK IT OUT HERE]Website: zipporakarz.com | direct email: zipporakarz@gmail.comTeaches at the Colburn School in Los Angeles, and offers private lessons on Zoom and at LA studiosStudio owners: interested in staging a Balanchine ballet? Reach out to Zippora for George Balanchine Trust information. Want more conversations like this? Thriving Dancers World is my free newsletter for dance moms, twice a month: https://moms.thrivingdancers.com/newsletters/2147856482/subscribe If this one hit home, send it to the dance mom who’s deciding whether to let her dancer go. Karina is an integrative health educator, not a doctor or licensed clinical professional. This episode is for education only, guest views are their own, and every dancer’s situation is different. Please talk with your own licensed provider about your dancer’s health. Scientific research changes all the time, and new information comes out in amounts no one person can keep up with. The claims and research I refer to here reflect my best current knowledge, which may (and likely will) change as time goes on.

    New York City Ballet Legend -advice to dance moms and their dancers
  2. Oct 5

    When the Math Doesn’t Math: Are You Investing in Your Dancer, or Just Spending? with Audrey Borden

    “The day you say you’re not doing this anymore, we’re throwing a party.” That’s what Audrey Borden, our guest today, told her daughters. Both are now professional dancers (23 and 25), and both are still dancing because they WANT to, not because anyone is pushing. Audrey never planned any of this. She signed her oldest up for one little class down the street so she could sit with the new baby for an hour, fully expecting the girls to end up in volleyball. Then she watched her toddler take that class more seriously than anyone in the room, and you know how the rest goes. Somebody mentions the competition team, then another class, then intensives. Somewhere along the way she found herself in a competition audience doing the math. With a background in education advocacy, government affairs, process improvement in manufacturing, and part-time work in family law (where she spent her days organizing families’ checking accounts and credit card debt during divorce cases!), she couldn’t stop connecting the dots between the fees, the competitive parenting, the injuries, and the strain on whole families. Those dots became her upcoming book, Our Great Investment. We went everywhere in this one, dance mom. Competition fees, college money, programs that keep accepting tuition from dancers they may never hire, and the closed-door conversation where a teacher shamed my then 14-year-old for choosing a family trip over intensive fees. Wait. WHAT?! Yes, we talked about that too. This episode answers: Is what you’re paying for an investment in your dancer, or just a spend? When do competition fees stop earning their place in the budget? How do you plan for a pre-professional dancer who will need you long after high school? What should your dancer own by junior year (the research, the budget, the dance bag)? What do you want your relationship with your dancer to look like when they’re 25? Inside this episode (00:00) Meet Audrey Borden, dance mom of two professional dancers (00:36) One “temporary” toddler class (and an hour’s break for mom) that snowballed (02:46) Kung fu or dance? Why Audrey always gave her girls the choice (04:27) From government affairs and family law to writing Our Great Investment (06:04) The competition where Audrey started connecting the dots (10:55) The breaking point: competition fees, and stepping back at 14 and 15 (they don’t miss it!) (13:14) Planning past high school: scholarships, loans, professional division tuition, rent, and income reality (15:38) What does your dancer want life to look like at 25 to 30? (17:31) What you ARE paying for: work ethic, structure, and “hire a dancer” (20:25) Why your dancer should be doing the research (and sitting down with a budget by junior year) (21:26) Programs taking in dancers they may never hire, and how long to let them try (22:14) Teaching, choreography, and side businesses (25:35) What feeds competition culture, and when competitions DO work for a dancer (27:00) Taking your power back with studios, competitions, and medical providers (28:46) The closed-door conversation: a teacher shames my 14-year-old over a family trip (30:16) Why studios push intensives so hard, and what a no-guilt competition model looks like (33:06) Siblings, split households, and the New York offer Audrey turned down (41:00) Audrey’s #1 advice: real supports, independence, and who packs the dance bag (44:31) Six hours of sleep as “the life of a pre-professional dancer”? Who decided that? (48:12) The one thing every dance mom should understand: there aren’t enough jobs (49:33) Sunk cost, resentment, and the party (51:09) Audrey’s goal-setting seminars, and why parents need goals too (56:46) Sending a dancer away at 14 for a year-round program (58:26) What the pro dancers and athletes Audrey interviewed had in common: self-directed drive (1:01:26) Final word: success without wellbeing isn’t success (1:04:33) Where to find Audrey Takeaways Start at 25. Before the next fee, ask what life your dancer actually wants at 25 to 30, then work backward. (Hello, Stephen Covey!) Know your kid. Some dancers thrive on competition benchmarks. Audrey’s girls didn’t need them. Neither answer is wrong, as long as it’s YOUR kid’s answer. Hand over the wheel. Who researches the summer intensives? Who packs the dance bag? If it’s still you, there’s your next project. Play the long game. College, professional division tuition, rent, your own retirement. Pre-professional dancers often need family support longer than most kids, so what you protect now matters. Dance is never wasted. Audrey sees her 25-year-old’s corporate success in the traits she built as a dancer. Hire a dancer! Find Audrey Website: https://www.ourgreatinvestment.com Instagram and TikTok: @our.great.investment (TikTok is the livelier one, per Audrey ;) ) Goal-setting seminars for studios (with her daughters!) and one-on-one consulting for parents If this conversation had you doing the math too, you’ll feel right at home in Thriving Dancers World, my free twice-a-month newsletter for dance moms who question things. You get the research and real talk nobody hands you at the studio front desk! Join here: https://moms.thrivingdancers.com/newsletters/2147856482/subscribe Karina is an integrative health educator, not a doctor or licensed clinical professional. This episode is for education only, guest views are their own, and every dancer’s situation is different. Please talk with your own licensed provider about your dancer’s health.

    When the Math Doesn’t Math: Are You Investing in Your Dancer, or Just Spending? with Audrey Borden
  3. Sep 14

    What To Consider When Self-Medicating with Over the Counter Drugs and Supplements

    Success without wellness is nothing: the self-medicating conversation dance moms need to have! A couple of ibuprofen a day sounds harmless. I'm not convinced it is, especially for a dancer who lives away from home and has no one watching how often that bottle comes out. In this solo episode, I talk about why pre-professional dancers reach for over-the-counter pain relievers to get through training, what that can cover up, and why so many of them stay quiet about pain in the first place (fear of getting kicked out of the program comes up again and again). If your dancer is far from home, I share how I'd approach it: talk to her first, then bring the program in together, never behind her back. And because moms in dance groups swap natural alternatives as freely as pills, I get into why "what worked for her dancer" is not a recommendation for yours. The examples are a lidocaine patch, a rose oil I almost added for a dancer with a strawberry allergy, and a curcumin and iron question I'm still researching. If you're only now realizing your dancer may be doing this, no shame here! And since when did we decide dancers can't take a sick day to look after their bodies? Wait. WHAT?! 00:00 Why this episode: dancers, especially those living away from home, using over-the-counter pain relievers to get through training01:29 What to teach your dancer about managing pain and reporting discomfort, from the day they decide on dance as a career02:28 Why masking pain with a pill worries me: the unstable area, the inflamed area, and the wrong step at the wrong moment03:21 A known injury with a plan is one conversation. Popping pills just to get through the day is another04:12 Fear of getting kicked out: why dancers underreport injuries, and why it isn't only a pre-professional problem05:00 A developing body, prolonged use, and what a boxed warning on a label is telling you06:09 What "long term" really means (two weeks counts!) and how that differs from occasional, correct use07:17 The questions to ask your dancer, starting with why she's taking it and who told her to09:08 When your dancer is away: talk to her first, then bring the program in together10:13 A local issue or something underneath? Why the source of the pain matters11:01 Facebook groups and "everybody's got their answer": why what's safe for one dancer isn't a recommendation for yours11:40 The lidocaine patch example, and why I wouldn't pass it along14:03 The rose oil and strawberry allergy story15:17 Why "what's the best vitamin?" has no honest answer, and why self-medicating with alternatives has the same problem as pills16:28 Curcumin and iron: why I keep researching what I think I already know17:28 Building your dancer's toolkit early, and being the support system she can call Takeaways Notice. Pain that needs a pill just to get through class is information, and a reason to look at what's underneath it. Ask. Why is my dancer taking this? Did someone who understands the problem tell her to, and for how long? Talk first. If your dancer is away, start the conversation with her, then involve the program together. Individualize. Pills, patches, oils, and supplements all belong in a conversation with a provider who knows your dancer's history. Start early. The conversation begins when a dancer decides she wants to dance professionally, well before she's living away. I am an integrative health educator, not a doctor or a clinical professional. This episode is health education only. Every dancer is different, and your own licensed provider is the place for questions about your dancer's pain or any medication. Questions or topics for a future episode? Send them through Instagram (instagram.com/thrivingdancersco) or email team@thrivingdancers.com.

    What To Consider When Self-Medicating with Over the Counter Drugs and Supplements
  4. Aug 17

    Guest - The Flexibility Problem Dance Moms Need to Know About

    Hypermobility, EDS, and the Dancer Everyone Calls "Flexible" Guest: Sharon Harrasser, MS, CWP, CLYL from 13 Zebras Wellness She's Not Uninterested, She's Hypermobile: What Dance Moms Need to Know about Hypermobility Your dancer is the flexy one. The one who gets picked for contortion tricks. The one whose splits look effortless. And she is also the one who bruises constantly, walks into doorframes, spills water, gets exhausted standing in line, and complains of "growing pains" that never quite go away. What if those things are connected? In this episode I sit down with Sharon of 13 Zebras Wellness, an integrative health and wellness coach, Ehlers-Danlos Society advocate, and certified wellness practitioner, who has been living with hypermobility since long before anyone gave it a name. She was a dancer too, until joint subluxations pulled her out of it. We talk about what hypermobility and hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos actually are, why puberty is so often the moment things fall apart, what studios and coaches consistently miss, and the difference between a dancer who is not trying hard enough and a dancer whose connective tissue is working against her. This is an education episode. We are not diagnosing anyone and we are not treating anyone. But information changes what you notice, and what you notice changes the conversation you have with your dancer's provider. [00:01:11] Meet Sharon: from "you're just double-jointed" to an EDS advocacy career [00:03:36] Sharon's own dance story, and why puberty is the turning point for so many dancers [00:04:29] Why medical schools spend about 30 seconds on this [00:06:10] Why the business is called 13 Zebras (there are 13 recognized subtypes of Ehlers-Danlos, and no two people present the same) [00:08:14] The disclaimer, and why dance and gymnastics attract hypermobile kids in the first place [00:09:23] Common characteristics to observe: fatigue, GI symptoms, "growing pains," food sensitivities, the Beighton score [00:10:06] The ADHD and autism connection in hypermobility research [CLARIFICATION NOTE: the direction of research findings is that 51% of neurodivergent people exhibit hypermobility traits. And that people with hypermobility are also more likely to have an associated neurodivergent condition.] [00:11:25] What studios get wrong: "she's not trying hard enough" versus "she needs different support" [00:14:14] Connective tissue is in everything (brain, vocal cords, intestines, blood vessels), so this is never just about flexible joints [00:15:19] Proprioception explained, and why it explains the bruises, the clumsiness, and the exhaustion [00:16:40] Dysautonomia, blood pooling, fainting during long balances, and why hot showers can wreck a dancer [00:19:03] The party trick problem: showing off flexibility while quietly damaging joints [00:20:12] Why injuries in hypermobile bodies do not heal the same way [00:21:29] The number one thing Sharon wants every dance mom to know: flexibility is not the same as strength or control [00:22:19] Over-splits, forced stretching, and the "stretchy coach" problem [00:23:27] What a subluxation actually is (and how it differs from a dislocation) [00:25:03] Pain and fatigue are information, not something to dance through [00:26:33] Why "I can normally dance through pain" is a red flag, not a badge of honor [00:28:14] Building a team around the dancer instead of building the dancer around the team [00:29:14] Studios that shame dancers for sitting out [00:31:38] The nutrition conversation: GI motility, mast cell involvement, and why elimination approaches are diagnostic tools, not long term plans [00:35:06] How to actually prepare for the pediatrician appointment (observe first, collect patterns, bring the whole picture once) [00:36:16] Genetics referrals and connective tissue panels [00:39:40] The mental health piece: when a dancer's identity collides with a diagnosis [00:41:38] The honest conversation about commitment, and what this asks of a serious dancer [00:44:59] Hypermobility clinics opening up worldwide [00:47:01] Laughter yoga, Dr. Madan Kataria, and why Sharon is researching the nervous system side of it [00:49:47] What a thriving dancer actually looks like [00:53:44] For the moms: 75% of hypermobile patients are female, and there is a genetic link Three Things Sharon Wants Every Dance Mom to Hear 1. Flexibility is not the same thing as strength or control. Beautiful extensions and effortless turnout do not mean the joint is stable in that position. Training that builds stability around the joint matters more than training that chases more range of motion. 2. Pain and fatigue are information. They are not obstacles to push through. Persistent joint pain, recurring injuries, and unusual fatigue are data. Rest and modification are part of training, not evidence of failure. 3. You may be looking at yourself, too. There is a genetic link here. A lot of moms recognize their own history somewhere in this conversation. That can turn into a shared discovery instead of a separate crisis. Vocabulary From This Episode Hypermobility: joints that move beyond the typical range of motion. Hypermobility Spectrum Disorder (HSD): a clinical classification used when hypermobility comes with symptoms, in the absence of other rheumatological conditions. Hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (hEDS): one of 13 recognized EDS subtypes. Unlike most subtypes, it currently has no identified genetic marker, which is part of why diagnosis takes so long. Beighton score: a scored set of specific movements used to assess generalized joint hypermobility. It is one input, not a diagnosis on its own. Subluxation: a partial displacement, when a joint slides out of its socket and then returns. A full dislocation is when it does not return on its own. Proprioception: your body's sense of where it is in space. When it is unreliable, you get the bruises, the missed doorframes, the balance struggles, and a nervous system doing overtime all day. Dysautonomia: dysregulation of the autonomic nervous system. In this population it often shows up as blood pooling, lightheadedness during long stationary holds, heart rate spikes, sweating, and nausea. A Note on Evidence This episode is a conversation between two people who live this, not a clinical review. Research on hypermobility and EDS is expanding fast, and a lot of what dancers and families need is still ahead of the literature. Where Sharon references specific research (the ADHD and autism connection, low FODMAP approaches, the female prevalence figure), treat it as a starting point for a conversation with a qualified provider, not a conclusion. Nothing here is medical advice. Nothing here diagnoses or treats any condition. If something in this episode sounded familiar, that is a reason to observe carefully and bring your observations to your dancer's healthcare provider. Connect With Sharon Sharon is the founder of 13 Zebras Wellness, an integrative health and wellness coach, an Ehlers-Danlos Society advocate, and a certified wellness practitioner with the National Association for Wellness. She trained in laughter yoga under Dr. Madan Kataria and runs live sessions twice a month. Website: https://www.thirteenzebraswellness.com/ Laughter yoga sessions: https://www.thirteenzebraswellness.com/ Resources Mentioned The Ehlers-Danlos Society: https://www.ehlers-danlos.com/ Beighton score overview:  https://www.ehlers-danlos.com/assessing-joint-hypermobility/ Dr. Jessica Eccles, hypermobility and neurodivergence research: LINK HERE Get the Newsletter Every week I send dance moms the research, the questions to ask, and the things nobody at the studio is telling you. No fluff, no fear-mongering, no "just trust the process." Sign up here: NEWSLETTER SIGN-UP (https://moms.thrivingdancers.com/newsletters/thriving-dancers-world/subscribe) Let's Talk About It Did something in this episode make you go "wait, that's my kid"? Come tell me. I read every message. Find me on Instagram @thrivingdancersco and send me a DM with your questions. Your question might become the next episode. And if you know a dance mom who has been told her dancer is just clumsy, just tired, or just not trying hard enough, send her this one. Coming Up Sharon is coming back for a full episode on laughter yoga, the nervous system, and why it might belong in a hypermobile dancer's toolbox. Subscribe so you do not miss it. The Thriving Dancers Podcast is educational content from an integrative health educator's perspective. It is not medical advice, and it does not diagnose, treat, or cure any condition. Always work with your dancer's qualified healthcare provider.

    Guest - The Flexibility Problem Dance Moms Need to Know About
  5. Aug 10

    AI for Dance Moms: The Question it WIll Never Ask You

    Your dancer gets hurt. You have a diagnosis, a recommendation, and a knot in your stomach. So you do what a lot of us do now. You open ChatGPT and start typing. In this solo episode, Karina thinks out loud about what actually comes back, and why an answer can feel complete while missing the thing that mattered most. She's not anti-AI. She uses it, and she says so. But she also went in and tested it the way a dance mom would, playing the role of a mom brand new to holistic and integrative health who just wants to know whether there's another path before the surgery date. What came back was information, plenty of it, and none of the thinking. Because AI answers the question you asked. It doesn't reason about whether it was the right question to ask. Karina uses a meniscus tear as her example: a mom types in the injury and the surgery recommendation, and gets studies, options, and considerations. What she doesn't get is the follow-up question about hypermobility, or about other conditions that could change how risk gets weighed entirely. A machine can't reach for what it doesn't know to look for. Neither, she points out, can a specialist work strictly inside the protocol they were trained in. Which lands on the knot at the center of this episode: unless you ask it specifically, how do you know what to ask? She also gets into the parts that don't come with a warning label. What she personally won't type into a chatbot about her own family, and how she keeps things hypothetical instead. Why "there's no evidence for this" can be a statement about how a study was built rather than about whether something has any value. And the distinction she keeps returning to, between a tool that helps you find answers and a tool you expect to hand you one. If you've ever closed a chatbot window feeling smaller instead of clearer, this episode explains why. In this episode:   (01:03) Where AI stops being helpful and becomes a different animal (02:47) Why AI behaves a lot like a specialist locked inside their own training (04:02) The word "artificial" is doing a lot of work, and we keep skipping past it (06:28) Connecting an injury to the rest of the body, and what goes missing when nobody does (08:24) The test Karina ran on herself, as a mom new to all of this (10:41) You can't ask the right question if you don't know it exists (13:26) The meniscus tear example, and the follow-up question that never comes (15:35) The use she's most comfortable with: getting help building your question list (16:22) The information about your dancer that lives with you and nowhere else (17:14) What she won't share with a chatbot, and how she words things instead (18:21) Where she does find it useful: narrow research questions and date ranges (22:50) Why the research picture on holistic modalities can look thinner than it is (27:38) A tool on the way to answers, not the answer (28:31) The gut check: did that conversation leave you with your power or without it Karina wants to hear from you.  How are you actually using AI for your dancer? Does what it tells you line up with what your providers say? And if you've come across a holistic or integrative health AI tool, send it over. She'd like to test it and report back. DM on Instagram @thrivingdancersco or email team@thrivingdancers.com . Subscribe to the newsletter for the written version of these conversations: https://moms.thrivingdancers.com/newsletters/thriving-dancers-world/subscribe Shared as personal experience and general health education. Nothing here is medical advice, diagnosis, or a treatment recommendation. Please work through decisions about your dancer with your own qualified providers.

    AI for Dance Moms: The Question it WIll Never Ask You
  6. Jul 30

    Guest -Dance Medicine Athletic Trainer from George Mason University School of Dance

    Details Introduction and Professional Background: Karina Klepach introduced Jena HH, who is a dance medicine athletic trainer and educator at George Mason University School of Dance (00:00:02). Jena HH has worked as a clinician for 15 years, with 10.5 years at the university and prior experience as a contractor for performers at Disneyland. Additionally, Jena HH is the founder of the Skilled Collection, a platform focused on parent-facing child movement and clinical education (00:01:19). Entry into Dance Medicine: Jena HH described their path into the field as originating from a background in high school cheer and a later interest in sports medicine. After being asked to work backstage for a University of Idaho dance performance, Jena HH identified dancers as a unique population requiring specialized athletic support, which led to a career focused on the intersection of dance and medicine (00:02:43). The Transcendence of Dance: Jena HH expressed that dance offers a transcendent experience for audiences, where dancers create beauty that impacts viewers emotionally (00:05:09). Karina Klepach agreed, noting that this sense of fluidity and energy is similar to the movement found in Qigong, leaving audiences in a changed state (00:06:25). Defining Organizing Patterns: Jena HH explained that the "organizing pattern" refers to why a dancer's body might fail to perform a specific movement or why it feels difficult. The focus is not just on muscle tightness, but on why the brain is sending signals that result in imbalanced length-tension relationships. Jena HH emphasized that the body is highly intelligent and that clinicians must look beyond the immediate area of pain to understand the systemic cause (00:09:15) (00:15:36). Systematic Evaluation and Clinical Tools: To address movement issues, Jena HH uses systematic evaluations, specifically the Selective Functional Movement Assessment (SFMA), which is reserved for medical professionals. This system helps categorize bodies based on missing movement pieces, moving away from orthopedic tests that only identify ligament tears without explaining the underlying cause of the injury (00:11:17) (00:13:33). Jena HH has presented on these systematic evaluations at the International Association for Dance Medicine and Science (IADMS) conferences (00:12:29). Limitations of Orthopedic Surgery: Karina Klepach highlighted the issue with standard orthopedic approaches, noting that surgeons are trained to operate rather than analyze whole-body mechanics (00:16:32). Karina Klepach shared a personal experience where a specialist recommended surgery for a meniscus tear, but the diagnostic process failed to address why the tear occurred in the first place (00:17:42). Conservative Treatment and Research: Karina Klepach noted that, in their experience, conservative treatment was successful, citing research that suggests sham surgeries for meniscus tears can be as effective as actual repairs, which are also associated with higher risks of long-term arthritis. Both speakers emphasized that the goal is to avoid unnecessary medical interventions through better initial assessment (00:16:32) (00:20:58). The Role of Dance Teachers: Jena HH and Karina Klepach discussed the reality that while dance teachers may lack the capacity to individually manage every student's injury, they are not acting maliciously. Teachers are responsible for guiding groups of students, and while some elite teachers have developed nuanced ways to help themselves, it is often outside their scope to diagnose the underlying causes of a specific student's struggle (00:22:16). Addressing Anatomical Limitations and Body Shaming: Karina Klepach described the problem of dance environments where students are shamed or labeled as "not trying" when they are physically unable to perform certain moves due to anatomical limitations (00:24:48). Jena HH added that issues like tibial torsion or hip socket angles can make certain movements, such as parallel positions in modern dance or turnout in ballet, structurally difficult for some dancers (00:26:02) (00:32:16). Collaborative Communication: Jena HH and Karina Klepach agreed that the solution lies in better communication (00:23:24) (00:31:20). When teachers are provided with information or explanations regarding a dancer's anatomical limitations, they are often receptive and eager to find solutions, suggesting that studios should be open to dialogue between parents, dancers, and clinicians (00:30:14). Professional Support and Re-evaluation: Jena HH recounted an anecdote about a professional dancer who had a significant discrepancy in hip external rotation that went unaddressed by other practitioners. Jena HH emphasized the importance of seeking out qualified physical therapists and continuing to search for answers if the first intervention does not resolve the issue (00:28:17). Identifying Anatomical Variations: Karina Klepach shared personal anecdotes about receiving dismissive feedback regarding a dancer's anatomy, such as being told a dancer would never be professional due to flat feet (00:35:32). Jena HH reinforced that such comments are inaccurate and that teachers should be trained to recognize that body structures, like feet, adapt to functional usage (00:38:02). Prop Usage and Body Feedback: Jena HH explained that at the collegiate level, they use props under the toes to provide feedback that alters pelvic and hip alignment, helping dancers understand how to optimize their body mechanics from the inside out (00:39:05). Developmental Patterns in Young Dancers: Jena HH stated that young dancers under the age of nine often possess innate neurological patterns for movement, such as breathing, rolling, and lunging. The goal of training should be to preserve these natural patterns rather than forcing adult-style training or overriding them with excessive aesthetic cues (00:41:21). Advocating for Informed Training: Karina Klepach and Jena HH discussed the responsibility of studios to elevate their teaching standards to include understanding of these neurological patterns. Parents are encouraged to advocate for their children by gathering information and seeking resources, rather than accepting old-school methods that rely on "weeding out" dancers with unusual anatomy (00:46:09). Motor Control and Stretching: Jena HH noted that historical physical education models focused on fundamental motor control practices like hopping, skipping, leaping, and galloping, which contribute to healthier adulthood (00:48:40). Regarding flexibility, Jena HH advised against holding stretches for more than 30 seconds, noting that over-stretching does not inherently lead to better performance (00:49:40). The Shift in Dance Trends: Karina Klepach criticized modern trends in ballet where the focus has shifted toward extreme, "circus-like" tricks rather than grace and artistic expression (00:53:04). Both participants lamented that this focus on sensationalism creates a cycle that puts immense strain on dancers' bodies (00:51:32). Defining a Thriving Dancer: Jena HH concluded that a thriving dancer is defined by body, mind, and soul integration. This involves expressing emotion through the heart rather than just performing for entertainment, which leads to a more magnetic and sustainable performance style (00:54:27). Essential Focus Areas for Dance Moms: Jena HH outlines three key areas for parents to prioritize when supporting dancers: strength, communication, and fun. Regarding strength, Jena HH advises that if a dancer pursues flexibility, their strength must match that level, noting that while professional collegiate standards require 25 repetitions of relevés on a single leg, 18 to 20 repetitions is a more realistic goal for high schoolers (00:58:02) (01:01:43). For communication, Jena HH encourages parents to engage in dialogue by asking questions about the dancer's experience and using positive reframing to help them navigate challenges. Finally, Jena HH emphasizes maintaining the element of fun, warning against over-intellectualizing technique and urging parents to keep the child's initial passion for dance at the forefront (01:00:29). Promoting Body Intelligence: When asked for a primary piece of wisdom for pre-professional dancers, Jena HH emphasizes the importance of trusting the body's intelligence. Jena HH explains that encouraging this physical and mental trust empowers dancers to challenge norms, such as specific aesthetic standards like hip rotation, and to advocate for their own interests regarding skill development (01:02:50). Karina Klepach notes that this approach is beneficial for life beyond dance, as it teaches children to understand their bodies and pursue a well life regardless of their future career path (01:03:52). Dance as a Positive Intervention: Jena HH identifies dance as a potentially effective treatment for anxiety and depression. The participants discuss the need to address instances where some teaching styles may inadvertently cultivate problems, and they agree on the importance of guiding dancers toward the beautiful experience of dance to keep them engaged (01:04:55). Future Research on Snapping Hip Syndrome: Jena HH provides a preview of a future discussion topic regarding "snapping hip" syndrome, a condition frequently experienced during leg movements like battement to the front or core work. Jena HH notes frustration with common clinical advice—which is typically limited to stretching or strengthening—and mentions that they have been conducting research on how to specifically test for and resolve this pattern. This issue is identified as common in performing arts such as dance, cheer, and figure skating (01:06:00). Resources and Conclusion: Jena HH invites listeners to reach out with questions via email or Instagram (01:07:01). Due to managing clinical work and parenting part-time, Jena HH notes that response times may vary (01:08:04). For parental resources, indivi

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    Medical Decision-making Do's and Don't for Dance Moms
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    Nourishing Dancers: The Truth About Nutrition vs. Diets in the Dance World

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Thriving Dancers bridges the gap between holistic wisdom and modern science to help dance moms nurture strong, balanced, and joyful dancers, in body, mind, and spirit. Hosted by Karina Klepach, a doctoral student and Integrative Health educator with a Master of Science in Integrative Health and a BA in Neuroscience, this podcast explores what truly supports a dancer’s well-being and longevity. Each episode blends practical education, compassion, and a healthy dose of humor as Karina dives into homeopathy, herbs, emotional wellness, recovery, lifestyle habits, and how to integrate holistic care with conventional choices when needed. Through expert interviews, personal stories, and relatable conversations, Thriving Dancers helps moms feel informed, supported, and inspired to raise dancers who thrive in the studio and in life.

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