Music Moneyball

Music Moneyball
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Music Moneyball is a podcast about the future of music rights investment. Inspired by the Moneyball philosophy, we spotlight the funds, investors, and innovators using data, strategy, and creativity to unlock hidden value in catalogs and define music as one of today’s most compelling alternative asset classes.

  1. Aug 18

    Music Moneyball x Musonomics: Who wins after the catalog gold rush?

    The catalog gold rush brought a wave of new capital, buyers and acquisitions into music rights. But as the market consolidates around larger platforms, what happens next, and who is best placed to win? That’s the question Standard Innovation CEO Tom Mullen and NYU Steinhardt professor Larry Miller explore in the first collaboration between Music Moneyball and Musonomics. Larry begins by tracing the history of the major music companies, from the independent entrepreneurs who built businesses in overlooked genres and markets to the shared infrastructure and vertical integration that helped create the majors we know today. Tom then looks to the film and TV industry for a more recent parallel, using A24 to show how smaller players can find opportunities alongside the largest companies through clear positioning, agility and a better understanding of underserved audiences. Drawing the parallels together, they consider where the next opportunities could emerge, why larger platforms can leave parts of the market underserved and how smaller players can compete through focus, specialisation and execution rather than capital alone. ► Stay up to date Newsletter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://standard-innovation.com/subscribe/music-moneyball⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/standard-innovation-ltd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► About Standard Innovation Standard Innovation is the data consultancy that helps music investment funds unlock higher valuations and exit multiples through better infrastructure. ► Episode Links Musonomics: https://musonomics.comStandard Innovation: https://standard-innovation.com ► Credits Hosts: Larry Miller, host of Musonomics, NYU Steinhardt professor and inaugural Executive Director of the Sony Audio Institute for Music Business and Technology; Tom Mullen, CEO of Standard Innovation

  2. Aug 4

    Music Fastball: How to find streaming upside in your catalog w/ Camille Jamet

    Catalogs are often treated as passive streaming assets, but there is more room to move the needle than many people realize. In this Music Fastball episode, streaming strategist Camille Jamet draws on 18 years in the industry, including roles at Sony Music and Amazon Music, to explain what can actually be done to increase visibility and consumption across a catalog. For larger catalogs, that starts with knowing where to focus. We explore why the biggest tracks do not always offer the greatest growth potential, and how engagement signals such as save rate and tracks per listener can reveal opportunities that total streams alone miss. Camille then breaks down how to build a streaming growth flywheel for your own catalog: test different approaches, identify what gains traction, invest behind what works and repeat the process at greater scale. Brought to you by Standard Innovation ► Stay up to date Newsletter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://standard-innovation.com/subscribe/music-moneyball⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/standard-innovation-ltd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► About Standard Innovation Standard Innovation is the data consultancy that helps music investment funds unlock higher valuations and exit multiples through better infrastructure. ► Episode Links Camille Jamet: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.camillejamet.fr/en/⁠ Standard Innovation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://standard-innovation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► Credits Guests: Camille Jamet, Music Streaming Strategist Hosts: Tom Mullen and Emma Griffiths, Standard Innovation Theme: “Meet Me” — Outlines (Written by Sam Cox) — Courtesy of Bespoke Records

  3. Jul 7

    How independent artists build valuable catalogs w/ Jamie Dee Hart

    Artists today have more ways to build a career around their music, but more complexity to navigate too. Jamie Dee Hart, founder of Hart & Songs, joins us to unpack the education gap behind the independent artist market: understanding what you own, collecting what you are owed and making decisions that protect the long-term value of your rights. From unclaimed royalties and incomplete registrations to YouTube Content ID conflicts and missed licensing opportunities, Jamie explains where value leaks from catalogs, often before creators know it is there. She also shares the marketing playbook behind growing a catalog: packaging existing music for different audiences, using social content to reach new listeners and making the most of a viral moment when it hits. Finally, we look at the growing capital options available to artists, from distribution deals and advances to partial sales and catalog buyouts. What should a creator weigh between immediate liquidity, control and the future upside of their rights? Brought to you by Standard Innovation. ► Stay up to date Newsletter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://standard-innovation.com/subscribe/music-moneyball⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/standard-innovation-ltd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► About Standard Innovation Standard Innovation is the data consultancy that helps music investment funds unlock higher valuations and exit multiples through better infrastructure. ► Episode Links Hart & Songs: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.jamiedeehart.com Standard Innovation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://standard-innovation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► Credits Guest: Jamie Dee Hart, Founder & CEO, Hart & Songs Hosts: Tom Mullen, Sam Morey and Emma Griffiths, Standard Innovation Theme: “Meet Me” — Outlines (Written by Sam Cox) — Courtesy of Bespoke Records

  4. Jun 23

    Why Pophouse is betting big on artist brands w/ Natalia Fontecha & Per Sundin

    What happens when an ABBA icon and a private equity titan build a music investment company together? At Pophouse, the answer is a value-creation model that treats music catalogs not as passive royalty assets, but as the foundations for larger entertainment brands. In this episode, we’re joined by Natalia Fontecha, Partner and Head of Capital Raising & Investor Relations, and Per Sundin, President of Music & Artist Relations, to unpack how that model works in practice. From ABBA Voyage to KISS, we discuss the brand and narrative diligence Pophouse applies alongside the usual financial and legal work: the scope of the rights package, the strength of the fan connection, and whether there is a credible path to build an entertainment business around the artist. Per shares the creative thesis for the model, while Natalia explains what makes it investable: underwriting the cash flows song by song, stress-testing the downside and managing portfolio risk. Brought to you by Standard Innovation. ► Stay up to date Newsletter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://standard-innovation.com/subscribe/music-moneyball⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/standard-innovation-ltd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► About Standard Innovation Standard Innovation is the data consultancy that helps music investment funds unlock higher valuations and exit multiples through better infrastructure. ► Episode Links Pophouse Entertainment: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://pophouse.se Standard Innovation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://standard-innovation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► Credits Guests: Natalia Fontecha & Per Sundin, Pophouse Entertainment Hosts: Tom Mullen and Emma Griffiths, Standard Innovation Theme: “Meet Me” — Outlines (Written by Sam Cox) — Courtesy of Bespoke Records

  5. Jun 16

    How music ABS is reshaping the catalog market w/ Paul Sipio

    Music ABS is changing how serious capital moves through the music rights market. In this episode, Paul Sipio, Managing Director at Apollo, explains how music went from a niche alternative asset to something institutional investors can underwrite, structure and finance at scale. We discuss the catalysts behind that shift, from streaming growth and public market validation to the rise of scaled, diversified catalogs. Paul also takes us inside Apollo’s work with Concord, and how creative ABS structures can give music companies more than a lower cost of capital. The conversation gets into why repeatable financing platforms matter, how they can support faster acquisition execution, and what funds need to have in place before they can access institutional capital. This episode follows the release of Standard Innovation’s new whitepaper, Music ABS and Institutional Readiness, which is available here: https://standard-innovation.com/guides/music-abs-and-institutional-readiness Brought to you by Standard Innovation. ► Stay up to date Newsletter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://standard-innovation.com/subscribe/music-moneyball⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/standard-innovation-ltd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► About Standard Innovation Standard Innovation is the data consultancy that helps music investment funds unlock higher valuations and exit multiples through better infrastructure. ► Episode Links Apollo: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.apollo.com Standard Innovation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://standard-innovation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► Credits Guests: Paul Sipio, Managing Director, Apollo Hosts: Tom Mullen and Emma Griffiths, Standard Innovation Theme: “Meet Me” — Outlines (Written by Sam Cox) — Courtesy of Bespoke Records

  6. May 26

    Music Moneyball Live: Breaking down the decay curve w/ Alex Bowler & Sachin Saggar

    Decay curves have become one of the dominant frameworks used to value music catalogs, but how reliable are they really? Earlier this year, we brought together the UK music rights investment community in London for the first ever live recording of Music Moneyball. Standard Innovation CEO Tom Mullen sat down with Alex Bowler of Y Royalties and Sachin Saggar of RedBrick Advisors to unpack how valuations actually work in practice, from forecasting royalty earnings and modelling decay, to understanding how touring, viral moments and artist activity can materially change a catalog’s value. The discussion explores how decay curves are actually built, where they break down, whether there might be a better way to forecast future catalog earnings, and what we can learn from more mature asset classes like infrastructure and renewables. Brought to you by Standard Innovation. ► Stay up to date Newsletter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://standard-innovation.com/subscribe/music-moneyball⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/standard-innovation-ltd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► About Standard Innovation Standard Innovation is the data consultancy that helps music investment funds unlock higher valuations and exit multiples through better infrastructure. ► Credits Guests: Alex Bowler (Y Royalties) & Sachin Saggar (RedBrick Advisors) Host: Tom Mullen (Standard Innovation) Theme: “Meet Me” — Outlines (Written by Sam Cox) — Courtesy of Bespoke Records

  7. May 12

    Music Fastball: Turning passive music catalogs into active revenue w/ Ryan Hamilton

    In this Music Fastball episode, we’re joined by Ryan Hamilton to explore two areas where catalog investors leave money on the table: deal optimization and commercial music usage across social platforms. First, we break down how the agreements and structures investors inherit can constrain catalog performance — and how taking a more active approach to catalog management can unlock greater commercial leverage and upside. We then explore one of the fastest-growing areas of music monetization: identifying and enforcing commercial music usage across platforms like TikTok and Instagram using AI tools that now make this possible at scale. Ryan is the founder of CTLGMGMT and brings nearly two decades of catalog management experience, helping rights holders and investors turn passive catalogs into active revenue-generating assets. Brought to you by Standard Innovation. ► Stay up to date Newsletter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://standard-innovation.com/subscribe/music-moneyball⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/standard-innovation-ltd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► About Standard Innovation Standard Innovation is the data consultancy that helps music investment funds unlock higher valuations and exit multiples through better infrastructure. ► Episode Links CTLGMGMT: ⁠⁠https://catalogmgmt.com Standard Innovation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://standard-innovation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► Credits Guest: Ryan Hamilton — founder, CTLGMGMT Host: Sam Morey, Standard Innovation Theme: “Meet Me” — Outlines (Written by Sam Cox) — Courtesy of Bespoke Records

  8. May 5

    Why music catalogs don’t fit a 5-10 year fund model w/ Josh Gruss

    The catalog investment boom has largely been built around 5-10 year fund models. But does that structure actually fit the asset? In this episode, Josh Gruss, CEO of Round Hill Music, argues that some of the biggest returns in music come later than most investors expect, and that selling too early can leave a lot of value behind. We discuss how catalogs evolve over time, from streaming growth to sync and unexpected rediscovery, and why holding through those moments matters. Josh also reflects on selling assets that would likely be worth more today, and how that shaped his view on evergreen structures. Along the way, we get into what really drives catalog value, how Round Hill approaches portfolio construction, and why data is becoming a core part of their strategy. Brought to you by Standard Innovation. ► Stay up to date Newsletter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://standard-innovation.com/subscribe/music-moneyball⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/standard-innovation-ltd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► About Standard Innovation Standard Innovation is the data consultancy that helps music investment funds unlock higher valuations and exit multiples through better infrastructure. ► Episode Links Round Hill Music: ⁠https://www.roundhillmusic.com Standard Innovation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://standard-innovation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► Credits Guest: Josh Gruss — CEO, Round Hill Music Hosts: Tom Mullen and Emma Griffiths, Standard Innovation Theme: “Meet Me” — Outlines (Written by Sam Cox) — Courtesy of Bespoke Records

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Music Moneyball is a podcast about the future of music rights investment. Inspired by the Moneyball philosophy, we spotlight the funds, investors, and innovators using data, strategy, and creativity to unlock hidden value in catalogs and define music as one of today’s most compelling alternative asset classes.

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  • Creator
    Music Moneyball
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    27
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © Music Moneyball
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