The EdLeadership Pair: Real Conversations for Today’s School Leaders

The Edleadership Pair
  • 5.0 (14)
  • Self-Improvement
  • Weekly

A Marzano Resources and Solution Tree podcast.  As two long-time school leaders, we discuss contemporary issues that today's school leaders face. We offer insights and advice for leaders and share some of our favorite leadership experiences. You will also catch a few married couple jokes sprinkled throughout : )

  1. 1d ago ·  Video

    Lesson Plans Are Not The Point - Ep 13

    Send us Fan Mail Stop and think about the last time lesson plans actually improved what students experienced in classrooms. If the answer is “not really,” you’re not alone. We dig into a leadership dilemma school administrators wrestle with every year: should we collect lesson plans or focus on something deeper? Our stance is clear: requiring stacks of submitted plans often adds paperwork without improving teaching, but requiring teachers to plan before they teach is non-negotiable if you want consistent, effective instruction. We walk through a practical way to operationalize an instructional vision using a shared planning mindset connected to Dr. Robert Marzano’s New Art and Science of Teaching. Instead of linear, checklist lesson planning, we lay out a “3D lesson plan” approach that keeps three dimensions in view at every moment: classroom environment (relationships, engagement, rules and procedures, high expectations), clarity and tracking of learning outcomes, and the learning progression of direct instruction, effective practice, and knowledge application. We also talk about the reality of teaching humans: great instruction is part science and part art, which means you plan intentionally and still keep a tool belt ready for in-the-moment adjustments. Then we connect daily planning to PLC at Work and the collaborative inquiry cycle, showing how the four PLC questions naturally live inside strong lesson design. You’ll also hear a simple way to make differentiation manageable: reteach a gap, provide more practice with feedback, or extend learning through cognitively complex tasks. Even if your district requires a canned curriculum, you can still coach pedagogy and protect what matters most: student learning. Subscribe for the rest of our instructional program series, share this episode with a colleague who needs a planning reset, and leave a review to help more school leaders find the show. Marzano ResourcesMarzano Resources is a leading educational support provider.Solution TreeSolution Tree helps teachers and administrators confront essential challenges.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.🔗 Connect With Us 🌐 Bios: https://www.theedleadershippair.com/about-us   📸 Instagram: @edleadership_pair ▶️ YouTube: The EdLeadership Pair 🎥 TikTok: @theedleadershippair 🌐 Website & Newsletter: www.theedleadershippair.com Join our growing community of school leaders navigating today’s challenges together.

  2. Oct 25 ·  Video

    High-Quality Instruction Starts With A Shared Instructional Vision - Ep 12

    Send us Fan Mail “High-quality instruction” is one of those phrases that can unite a school or quietly wreck it, depending on whether anyone can actually define it. We’ve both seen campuses where leaders mean well, teachers work hard, and yet expectations stay fuzzy because everyone is operating from their own private definition of “quality.” So we slow the conversation down and build a clearer, shared instructional vision that school leaders can use for walkthroughs, PLCs, coaching, and professional development without turning teaching into a script. We dig into a research-backed approach drawn from Dr. Robert Marzano’s New Art and Science of Teaching and translate it into plain language you can use tomorrow. Instead of mandating a strategy-of-the-month or demanding “fidelity” to a pacing guide, we focus on conditions for learning. We break those conditions into three big buckets: a classroom environment that supports learning (engagement, procedures, relationships, high expectations), clarity about learning outcomes (learning goals plus formative assessment), and brain-friendly learning for content (direct instruction, effective practice, and knowledge application). We also talk about why “glitter” strategies like grouping or homework only help when they’re intentionally tied to one of those core learning moves. If you’re a principal, instructional coach, or district leader trying to make teaching stronger across classrooms while protecting teacher autonomy, this gives you a clean structure and a common vocabulary to build around. Subscribe for upcoming conversations on implementation, monitoring, feedback, and what AI changes about practice and assessment, then share this with a leader who’s ready to define what great instruction actually looks like and leave a review with your biggest takeaway. Marzano ResourcesMarzano Resources is a leading educational support provider.Solution TreeSolution Tree helps teachers and administrators confront essential challenges.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.🔗 Connect With Us 🌐 Bios: https://www.theedleadershippair.com/about-us   📸 Instagram: @edleadership_pair ▶️ YouTube: The EdLeadership Pair 🎥 TikTok: @theedleadershippair 🌐 Website & Newsletter: www.theedleadershippair.com Join our growing community of school leaders navigating today’s challenges together.

  3. Oct 18 ·  Video

    Wellness Mistakes School Leaders Make | What Educators Actually Need With Dr. Tina H. Boogren - Ep 11

    Send us Fan Mail GUEST: Dr. Tina H. Boogren www.tinaboogren.com Teacher burnout is not a mystery, but the fixes we reach for are often painfully shallow. We sit down with Dr. Tina Boogren to talk about educator wellness in a way that goes far beyond self-care and perks, and we keep a dual lens the whole time: what staff need and what leaders need if they want a school that’s sustainable to run. We unpack why wellness cannot be an add-on like a coffee cart, jeans day, or a one-and-done professional development. Those can be nice, but when school climate is struggling they can land as tone-deaf or even insulting. Tina explains why the staff is always watching leadership, and why the most effective school leaders model boundaries, regulation, and healthy habits before asking anyone else to change. We also talk through practical ways to gather quick, anonymous data so you stop guessing and start addressing root causes. From there, we expand the definition of educator wellness using a simple framework built around physical, mental, emotional, and social wellness. You’ll hear how small systems changes can protect basics like lunch, restroom access, and decision load, plus why emotional regulation is a professional skill that affects classroom management, relationships, and student achievement. We also name the post-COVID reality: retention is fragile, leader attrition is climbing, and culture work collapses without adult wellbeing. If you lead a campus, coach administrators, or support teachers, this is a roadmap for turning “wellness” into something real. Subscribe, share this with a leader who needs it, and leave a review so more educators can find the conversation. Marzano ResourcesMarzano Resources is a leading educational support provider.Solution TreeSolution Tree helps teachers and administrators confront essential challenges.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.🔗 Connect With Us 🌐 Bios: https://www.theedleadershippair.com/about-us   📸 Instagram: @edleadership_pair ▶️ YouTube: The EdLeadership Pair 🎥 TikTok: @theedleadershippair 🌐 Website & Newsletter: www.theedleadershippair.com Join our growing community of school leaders navigating today’s challenges together.

    Wellness Mistakes School Leaders Make | What Educators Actually Need With Dr. Tina H. Boogren - Ep 11

  4. Oct 11 ·  Video

    Grow or Go: A School Leader's Guide to Addressing Underperforming Educators - Ep 10

    Send us Fan Mail The hardest part of school leadership is rarely the big speech or the new initiative. It’s sitting across from a chronically underperforming teacher or staff member and choosing clarity over avoidance, even when it feels awkward, emotional, and risky. We walk through our philosophy for addressing persistent underperformance without turning it into a “firing mindset.” Our aim is building a great faculty and a healthy campus culture for kids, and that means dealing with “shadows” the negative, self protecting patterns that quietly poison collaboration, trust, and student experience. We break down how we approach direct conversations with emotional control, how we connect expectations to what the school actually values, and why leader inaction becomes acceptance in the eyes of the staff. October is the urgency trigger. We explain the real timeline behind teacher improvement plans and non renewal deadlines, plus a practical system for Q1 baseline observations, Q2 tiering, and collecting objective evidence across instruction, classroom management, planning, collaboration, and professionalism. You’ll also hear our nuts and bolts guidance on decoding HR rules, documenting notes to file and memos, running focused growth plans with measurable weekly targets, and involving supervisors early so your process is fair, defensible, and built to hold up under union scrutiny or grievance pressure. If you’re a principal, assistant principal, or instructional leader trying to balance coaching, accountability, and culture, this conversation will give you language, structure, and momentum. Subscribe, share this with a leadership teammate, and leave a review so more school leaders get the support they need. Marzano ResourcesMarzano Resources is a leading educational support provider.Solution TreeSolution Tree helps teachers and administrators confront essential challenges.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.🔗 Connect With Us 🌐 Bios: https://www.theedleadershippair.com/about-us   📸 Instagram: @edleadership_pair ▶️ YouTube: The EdLeadership Pair 🎥 TikTok: @theedleadershippair 🌐 Website & Newsletter: www.theedleadershippair.com Join our growing community of school leaders navigating today’s challenges together.

  5. Oct 4 ·  Video

    What Are Schools Actually Preparing Students For? - Ep 09

    Send us Fan Mail Your kid can ace AP Calculus and still open a first paycheck wondering who FICA is and why it took their money. That’s not a “dumb kid” problem, it’s an adult readiness problem, and we feel it firsthand as two career educators with four kids now in college. We step back and ask the uncomfortable question: if society funds 13 years of public education, what outcomes should we expect beyond test scores and credits?  We dig into the life skills schools often leave to chance: understanding paychecks, W-2 vs 1099 work, taxes, healthcare and benefits, and how to compare job offers using total compensation. We also talk personal finance education that actually sticks, from budgeting and credit cards to investing and retirement, because the most expensive mistakes usually happen right after graduation.  Then we zoom out to civics education and media literacy. When students learn politics from algorithms and celebrities, they still need clear, apolitical teaching on how government works, what voting really means, and how to consume news responsibly. Finally, we get practical with a K-5, middle school, and high school roadmap, plus ideas for supporting parents through community partnerships and short asynchronous “micro lessons” that fit how families learn today.  Subscribe, share this with a school leader you trust, and leave a review so more educators and parents can build a better definition of readiness. What life skill do you wish every graduate had on day one? Marzano ResourcesMarzano Resources is a leading educational support provider.Solution TreeSolution Tree helps teachers and administrators confront essential challenges.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.🔗 Connect With Us 🌐 Bios: https://www.theedleadershippair.com/about-us   📸 Instagram: @edleadership_pair ▶️ YouTube: The EdLeadership Pair 🎥 TikTok: @theedleadershippair 🌐 Website & Newsletter: www.theedleadershippair.com Join our growing community of school leaders navigating today’s challenges together.

  6. Sep 27 ·  Video

    Does Your School Have a Customer Service Problem? | Five-Star Schools with Nathaniel Provencio - Ep 08

    Send us Fan Mail GUEST: Nathaniel Provencio https://www.provenprincipalllc.com/ A parent walks up to your school and gets greeted with “ID.” A teacher walks into the front office and feels like they’re interrupting. A family sits down for an IEP meeting already braced for conflict. None of that shows up on a benchmark report, but it shows up in enrollment, staff retention, and trust, and it’s exactly why customer service in schools is no longer optional. We sit down with award-winning educator, former principal, and consultant Nathaniel Provencio to unpack his book Five Stars: Creating a Culture of Customer Service in Schools. Nathaniel shares why public education is facing a customer experience problem, how every campus already has an online “Yelp review,” and what he looks for before he ever steps into a building. We dig into the difference between service (the work) and experience (how it feels), plus why clarity and a compelling vision statement can reset expectations for how adults treat students, families, and each other. Then we get practical. Nathaniel explains how to start culture change without overwhelming staff: use stories, identify neutral experiences, and choose one small move that makes interactions notable. We talk about designing better experiences in the front office, in conferences, and especially in high-stakes spaces like IEP meetings. We also explore staff experience as a leadership responsibility, from feedback loops to agency to psychological safety, and even why “team of the year” may build stronger culture than “teacher of the year.” You’ll also hear five-star lessons from outside education (Chick-fil-A, Ritz-Carlton service standards, Sephora) and a powerful story from Nathaniel’s time as an associate superintendent that brings the whole message back to dignity and care. If this conversation helps you, subscribe, share it with a leader friend, and leave a quick review so more educators can find it. Marzano ResourcesMarzano Resources is a leading educational support provider.Solution TreeSolution Tree helps teachers and administrators confront essential challenges.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.🔗 Connect With Us 🌐 Bios: https://www.theedleadershippair.com/about-us   📸 Instagram: @edleadership_pair ▶️ YouTube: The EdLeadership Pair 🎥 TikTok: @theedleadershippair 🌐 Website & Newsletter: www.theedleadershippair.com Join our growing community of school leaders navigating today’s challenges together.

  7. Sep 20 ·  Video

    Your Staff’s Generational Mix Changes How You Lead - Ep 07

    Send us Fan Mail Your school might be trying to solve 2026 problems with a 2006 professional development plan. When we step back and look at who is actually teaching today, the staffing math can be surprising: Baby Boomers and Gen X are no longer “most of the building,” and that reality changes how our messages land, how our PD is received, and how we keep teachers engaged. We dig into the article “How to Engage Multiple Generations of Teachers” by Ronald Williamson and Barbara R. Blackburn and translate the research into practical school leadership moves. We talk through the core work characteristics and learning preferences commonly associated with Gen Z teachers (internet natives who want hands-on, tech-forward, real-world learning), Millennials (multitaskers who crave feedback and achievement), Gen X (independent, skeptical, efficiency-driven, and happiest with autonomy), and Baby Boomers (confident, team-oriented learners who often value hands-on practice and friendly competition). We also keep it real: these are generalizations, not boxes, but they’re still useful design clues. From there, we shift to action. We share how principals can offer multiple avenues for professional learning, build microlearning libraries, create meaningful simulations, and even use AI in education to generate classroom scenarios from rubrics when time is tight. We also make the case for multigenerational PLCs that go beyond subject-area teams so strengths actually transfer across the staff. If this helps you rethink how you lead adults, subscribe, share this with a colleague, and leave a review so more school leaders can find the show. Marzano ResourcesMarzano Resources is a leading educational support provider.Solution TreeSolution Tree helps teachers and administrators confront essential challenges.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.🔗 Connect With Us 🌐 Bios: https://www.theedleadershippair.com/about-us   📸 Instagram: @edleadership_pair ▶️ YouTube: The EdLeadership Pair 🎥 TikTok: @theedleadershippair 🌐 Website & Newsletter: www.theedleadershippair.com Join our growing community of school leaders navigating today’s challenges together.

  8. Sep 13 ·  Video

    What Your School Building Says To Students - Ep 06

    Send us Fan Mail Your school building is already teaching, before any lesson plan starts. The walls, the signs, the noise level, the clutter, and even the first 30 feet after the front door send a message about who belongs and how this place works. We dig into a simple but eye-opening practice from an Edutopia article, “What Is Your Building Communicating to Students?” and translate it into real school leadership moves you can use right away.  We talk about running a “Belonging Walk,” a campus walkthrough where you take on a student persona and follow that student’s full day from arrival to dismissal. With lenses like a new student, an English learner, a student with ADHD or anxiety, a student with dyslexia, a wheelchair user, or a deaf student, you start noticing friction points you’d otherwise miss. We break the audit into four clear buckets: clarity (wayfinding and signage), belonging (welcome and representation), accessibility (hidden barriers and assumptions), and emotional experience (what in the environment raises stress or builds confidence).  You’ll hear concrete examples from real renovations and everyday leadership: improving navigation in “octopus” buildings, keeping shared spaces clean to reduce distraction, designing deaf-friendly hall corners, adding a classroom “stomp space” for vibration cues, and using photos and visuals so students can literally see themselves in the school story. We close with how to sort findings into quick wins, planned improvements, and long-term projects, plus how audit data helps you advocate up the chain and partner with parents without turning it into a complaint session.  If you’re a principal, assistant principal, or district leader focused on school culture, accessibility, student belonging, and a safer learning environment, this one is built for you. Subscribe, share with a colleague, and leave a review with the first change you want to make after your own Belonging Walk. Marzano ResourcesMarzano Resources is a leading educational support provider.Solution TreeSolution Tree helps teachers and administrators confront essential challenges.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.🔗 Connect With Us 🌐 Bios: https://www.theedleadershippair.com/about-us   📸 Instagram: @edleadership_pair ▶️ YouTube: The EdLeadership Pair 🎥 TikTok: @theedleadershippair 🌐 Website & Newsletter: www.theedleadershippair.com Join our growing community of school leaders navigating today’s challenges together.

See All (43)

Ratings & Reviews

5
out of 5
14 Ratings

About

A Marzano Resources and Solution Tree podcast.  As two long-time school leaders, we discuss contemporary issues that today's school leaders face. We offer insights and advice for leaders and share some of our favorite leadership experiences. You will also catch a few married couple jokes sprinkled throughout : )

Information

You Might Also Like