Love n' Leary Nursing Podcast

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The Love n’ Leary nursing podcast is where nursing leadership, innovation, and real talk come together. Hosted by nurse leaders Marion Leary, PhD, MPH, RN, and Rebecca Love, RN, MSN, FIEL, the show dives into the issues that matter most to today’s nursing community. Each episode features candid conversations, expert insights, and bold perspectives on healthcare, leadership, advocacy, and the future of nursing. Whether you’re a bedside nurse, nurse leader, or healthcare changemaker, Love n’ Leary offers thoughtful dialogue and practical takeaways to inform, inspire, and empower nurses at every stage of their careers.

  1. 2h ago

    Stand Up, Speak Out: The Politics of Science (with Colette Delawalla, PhD)

    Stand Up for Science founder Colette Delawalla, PhD, joins Marion Leary and Rebecca Love to talk about what's happening to federal research funding — and why nurses belong in the conversation. Delawalla shares how a banned words list days before her grant deadline led her to organize a protest that drew tens of thousands, why she believes institutions won't lead this fight, and her practical advice for anyone who wants to get involved but feels overwhelmed: pick one issue, do one small thing a day, and vote in every election. A candid conversation about science, advocacy, and burnout for nurses at every career stage.  "Pick a Lane": How Nurses Can Fight for Science Without Burning Out Skip ahead: 00:59: Marion introduces Colette and shares her own background with Philadelphia Science Action and the March for Science 02:37: The banned words list, the grant deadline, and the decision not to cut the word "woman" 05:30: Searching for a protest, finding none, and posting on Bluesky 08:19: Social media as the battleground for public opinion 11:22: Rebecca on showing up to the Boston rally and finding almost no nurses there 12:57: "Stand Up for Science, not Stand Up for Scientists": the big tent argument 14:14: The Nursing is STEM Coalition and the push for federal designation 18:00: Federal funding cuts and what Colette expects next 22:14: "Pick a lane" — practical advice for nurses who want to engage 25:03: Current Stand Up for Science campaigns and how to get involved 27:23: Closing thoughts Links: Stand Up for Science: https://www.standupforscience.net/ Nursing is STEM Coalition: https://www.nursingisstem.org/ 🎙️ About The Love & Leary Podcast Thank you for tuning in to The Love n' Leary Podcast! If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave a 5-star review, and share it with a colleague. 🌐 Connect With Us Official Website: Visit nurse.org/lovenleary for episodes, articles, and exclusive nursing resources.Watch on YouTube: Subscribe to  Love n' Leary Podcast YouTube to watch full video episodes and highlights.👥 Follow the Hosts on LinkedIn Stay connected, network, and join the conversation with us professionally: Connect with Rebecca: Rebecca Love on LinkedInConnect with Marion: Marion Leary on LinkedInAbout Nurse.org: Empowering, entertaining, and uniting nurses worldwide. Explore more career guides, news, and community stories at Nurse.org.

  2. Aug 10

    When We Make It Harder for Immigrant Nurses to Practice — We Are Not Just Failing Them. We Are Failing Each Other (with Lulette Infante MSN, RN-BC, CPHQ)

    The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed in this episode belong solely to the hosts and do not necessarily reflect the official policy, beliefs, or position of Nurse.org. Lulette Infante arrived in New York City from Manila at 18 with two suitcases and three younger siblings to help raise. Thirty years later, she's a nurse informatics leader, and she's sounding an alarm about what immigration enforcement is doing to patients, to the nursing workforce, and to the care pipeline every American will eventually depend on. In this episode of the Love n' Leary Nursing Podcast, hosts Marion Leary and Rebecca Love talk with Infante about her 25 years in pediatric hematology/oncology and ambulatory care, the LinkedIn post that resonated across nursing, patients who are now too frightened to show up for chemotherapy, and the history of Filipino nurses in the U.S. health care workforce.  Plus: why she believes advocacy doesn't require being the loudest voice in the room, and what nurses can do on their very next shift.  >> RaDonda Vaught on Life After Nursing, Shame, and the Mistake Every Nurse Fears Timestamps 00:58: Meet Lulette Infante MSN, RN-BC, CPHQ07:57: The article and the LinkedIn post that started it10:44: Thirty years in: what it feels like now16:34: The American dream, immigration policy, and the nursing pipeline22:18: The history of Filipino nurses in the U.S. workforce28:56: Closing thoughts and Lulette's LinkedIn quoteMentioned in this episode Infante's LinkedIn PostNursing, Immigration, and Peace & Power by Patricia Regalado American Nursing Informatics Association (ANIA)Association of California Nurse Leaders (ACNL)Center for Nursing Value fellowship🎙️ About The Love & Leary Podcast Thank you for tuning in to The Love n' Leary Podcast! If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave a 5-star review, and share it with a colleague. 🌐 Connect With Us Official Website: Visit nurse.org/lovenleary for episodes, articles, and exclusive nursing resources.Watch on YouTube: Subscribe to  Love n' Leary Podcast YouTube to watch full video episodes and highlights.👥 Follow the Hosts on LinkedIn Stay connected, network, and join the conversation with us professionally: Connect with Rebecca: Rebecca Love on LinkedInConnect with Marion: Marion Leary on LinkedInAbout Nurse.org: Empowering, entertaining, and uniting nurses worldwide. Explore more career guides, news, and community stories at Nurse.org.

  3. Jul 30

    Nurses Waited a Century for Their Own Billing Codes — AI May Get There First (with Stephanie Witwer)

    Nursing has never had its own CPT billing codes — but AI is about to get 288 of them. In this episode of the Love n' Leary Nursing Podcast, hosts Marion Leary and Rebecca Love sit down with Stephanie Witwer, PhD, RN, NEA-BC, FAAN, a leading ambulatory care nurse expert and strategic advisor to AAACN, to unpack the AMA's proposed AI CPT codes and what they mean for the future of nursing. Stephanie explains how CPT codes work, why nursing work is billed as "incident to" physician services, and how $266 billion in annual nursing care remains invisible to payers. The conversation breaks down the three proposed AI categories — assistive, augmentative, and autonomous — and the legal, ethical, and economic risks of reimbursing AI while nursing stays unbillable. Could health systems be incentivized to invest in AI instead of nurses? Most importantly: there's something nurses can do right now. A CMS public comment period is open, and the hosts are calling for 100,000 nurse comments to get concerns on the permanent public record. Topics include: CPT codes explained, RVUs, incident-to billing, AI reimbursement, autonomous AI and nurse practice acts, nurse staffing economics, and how to submit a CMS public comment. Jump Ahead: 00:58 – Welcome and episode overview: AMA's proposed AI CPT codes and the CMS comment period with Stephanie Witwer03:07 – CPT codes 101: the 1960s origin, AMA ownership, and how they became the national billing standard08:58 – Are there any CPT codes for nursing? (Spoiler: zero)14:55 – Assistive vs. augmentative vs. autonomous AI, and the nurse practice act problem16:53 – The economics: what AI reimbursement means for nursing jobs20:05 – The call to action: a billing taxonomy for nursing, how to comment to CMS23:03 – Closing thoughts: the power of a unified nursing voiceResources: Comment on the CMS physician payment rule (CMS-1848-P, the PFS) by September 14, 2026.Comment on the CMS hospital outpatient rule (CMS-1850-P, which the ANA refers to as HOPPS) by August 31, 2026.Register and comment on the AMA CPT Editorial Panel Meeting Interested Party through August 10, 3036For additional background, see Nurse.org's in-depth coverage of AI billing and nursing reimbursement: Nurses Have Waited a Century for Billing Codes. AI May Get Them First (7/16)Nurses Have Never Had Their Own Medicare Payment Designation. Software May Get One First (7/20)The Evolution of CPT Codes and Their Emergence as THE National Healthcare Billing Standard (7/22)Becker's Healthcare coverage: New AI billing codes spark concern across nursing (7/17)Nurses’ AI pushback expands to new front (7/20)The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed in this episode belong solely to the hosts and do not necessarily reflect the official policy, beliefs, or position of Nurse.org 🎙️ About The Love & Leary Podcast Thank you for tuning in to The Love n' Leary Podcast! If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave a 5-star review, and share it with a colleague. 🌐 Connect With Us Official Website: Visit nurse.org/lovenleary for episodes, articles, and exclusive nursing resources.Watch on YouTube: Subscribe to  Love n' Leary Podcast YouTube to watch full video episodes and highlights.👥 Follow the Hosts on LinkedIn Stay connected, network, and join the conversation with us professionally: Connect with Rebecca: Rebecca Love on LinkedInConnect with Marion: Marion Leary on LinkedInAbout Nurse.org: Empowering, entertaining, and uniting nurses worldwide. Explore more career guides, news, and community stories at Nurse.org.

  4. Jul 13

    The Wisdom He Can Teach (with Paul Coyne, DNP, MBA, MS, APRN, AGPCNP-BC)

    Hosts Marion Leary, PhD, MPH, RN and Rebecca Love, RN, MSN, FIEL kick off the first Nurse Spotlight episode of the Love n' Leary Nursing Podcast with someone who has quietly reshaped how nursing sees itself: Paul Coyne. Jump Ahead 00:58 — Welcome and introducing Paul Coyne, Love n' Leary's first Nurse Spotlight guest01:55 — Paul's early years: heart disease, hospitalization, and paralysis at 1503:00 — Suffering a stroke a week after college graduation04:31 — The moment at Goldman Sachs that changed everything05:50 — What his Wall Street colleagues said about him switching to nursing06:49 — The challenges of being one of the only men in the room08:27 — Six degrees in three and a half years10:00 — Why the pace was less about ambition and more about proving his brain was back12:18 — Choosing to pair the nursing degrees with an MBA and Master's in Finance13:00 — What "manifesting" looked like before he knew the word for it15:19 — Becoming one of the youngest chief nurse executives at HSS at 3516:07 — Leading 2,000 people through the pandemic17:30 — The 30-minute-a-day leadership practice19:00 — Why nurses can spot fake care from a mile away21:25 — Starting Augie and the philosophy of augmenting instead of replacing25:00 — Random LinkedIn outreach and Rebecca's original 2017 message to Paul26:18 — The text message and the story of the mother whose son has leukemia29:25 — Why every nurse leader wants to help more people29:45 — Paul's two books of poetry and how it started with a dream32:00 — Writing 100 lessons for his son in case he wasn't there to teach them34:00 — How his poems have connected with readers across every experience36:23 — Final thoughts: possibility, framing your own story, and telling the world38:32 — Closing thanksPaul is a nurse, nurse practitioner, entrepreneur, healthcare executive, and poet. He was born with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, suffered a stroke at 22, moved to New York to work as an interest rate derivatives analyst at Goldman Sachs while relearning how to speak, and then walked away from Wall Street after seeing himself in scrubs during a corporate physical. What came next included six degrees in three and a half years, the co-founding of a computer vision company called Augie, and one of the youngest chief nurse executive appointments in U.S. hospital history at 35. In this episode, Paul shares the moments that shaped his path, why he thinks empathy is a strategic asset in healthcare, how he built a leadership practice around one 30-minute conversation a day, why he writes poetry, and the text message that arrived one hour after he told his psychologist how much he missed being a chief nurse. Marion and Rebecca dig into what nurses can learn from Paul's story about possibility, purpose, and the power of showing up as themselves. 🎙️ About The Love & Leary Podcast Thank you for tuning in to The Love n' Leary Podcast! If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave a 5-star review, and share it with a colleague. 🌐 Connect With Us Official Website: Visit nurse.org/lovenleary for episodes, articles, and exclusive nursing resources.Watch on YouTube: Subscribe to  Love n' Leary Podcast YouTube to watch full video episodes and highlights.👥 Follow the Hosts on LinkedIn Stay connected, network, and join the conversation with us professionally: Connect with Rebecca: Rebecca Love on LinkedInConnect with Marion: Marion Leary on LinkedInAbout Nurse.org: Empowering, entertaining, and uniting nurses worldwide. Explore more career guides, news, and community stories at Nurse.org.

  5. Jul 6

    Inside the Largest Nurse Strike in Massachusetts History

    Hosts Marion Leary, PhD, MPH, RN and Rebecca Love, RN, MSN, FIEL welcome Shannon Vieira, RN and Kara Wilson, OT of MGB Home Care for an urgent conversation about one of the largest healthcare strikes in Massachusetts history. On July 8th, home care nurses, physical therapists, occupational therapists, social workers, dietitians, and speech-language pathologists will walk off the job for seven days. On the same day, inpatient nurses at Brigham and Women's Hospital will also strike — and the hospital has announced it will lock them out for an additional four days. In this episode, Shannon and Kara walk through the changes to their working conditions that led up to the strike, the caseloads pushing home care clinicians past safe practice limits (up to 50 patients per clinician), the growing wage gap between frontline workers and executives at the seventh-wealthiest hospital system in the U.S., and what they're actually asking for. Marion and Rebecca connect the dots between staffing, cost of living, hospital economics, and the future of the healthcare workforce. Whether you work in home care, hospital nursing, or any patient-facing role, this conversation explains exactly why nurses and their colleagues across Massachusetts are drawing a line — and why the rest of the country is watching. Jump Ahead 00:58 — Welcome and introducing Shannon Vieira and Kara Wilson02:10 — What led up to the strike: the point system, salaried pay, and lost overtime03:22 — A new CNO, efficiency mandates, and a 20-25% productivity jump04:13 — The UKG clock-in revelation05:21 — Is this the first home care strike of its kind?06:08 — The parallel Brigham and Women's inpatient nurse strike07:04 — Same-day strike, plus a four-day hospital lockout08:09 — Why the lockout feels like a strong-arm tactic09:30 — Why nurses across the country are watching this strike so closely10:29 — Caseload realities on the OT side: 34 patients in 32 hours11:49 — Why home care is more than face time with the patient13:39 — What Shannon and Kara are asking for14:18 — The safe caseload research: 25 max, 18 ideal15:59 — Sicker patients, faster discharges, and 30-day readmission risk17:19 — The executive pay disparity and MGB's $35.8B in assets18:10 — MGB reported $2 billion in net gains last year19:12 — Why Boston's 53% higher cost of living matters21:58 — Retention, hourly rate math, and clinician burnout23:30 — Who sits on the MGB board of directors26:07 — Shannon's final thought: the unionization wave was created by MGB26:35 — Kara's final thought: self-care as patient care27:55 — Marion's closing: "The people united will never be defeated"Listen now at nurse.org/news/love-n-leary-nursing-podcast. 🎙️ About The Love & Leary Podcast Thank you for tuning in to The Love n' Leary Podcast! If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave a 5-star review, and share it with a colleague. 🌐 Connect With Us Official Website: Visit nurse.org/lovenleary for episodes, articles, and exclusive nursing resources.Watch on YouTube: Subscribe to  Love n' Leary Podcast YouTube to watch full video episodes and highlights.👥 Follow the Hosts on LinkedIn Stay connected, network, and join the conversation with us professionally: Connect with Rebecca: Rebecca Love on LinkedInConnect with Marion: Marion Leary on LinkedInAbout Nurse.org: Empowering, entertaining, and uniting nurses worldwide. Explore more career guides, news, and community stories at Nurse.org.

  6. Jun 26

    The Story Behind the Schooling: Nursing, Journalism, and a Student’s Voice

    Hosts Marion Leary, PhD, MPH, RN and Rebecca Love, RN, MSN, FIEL welcome Danae Petit, a rising senior nursing student at the University of Pittsburgh and senior columnist at The Pitt News, for a powerful conversation about nursing school, identity, and the power of telling your own story. Danae shares the rude awakening of her freshman year, the moment a small interaction at a campus food spot inspired her most-read column on what it means to be a Black nurse, and how falling in love with a labor and delivery clinical rotation helped her find her niche. Along the way, Marion and Rebecca dig into why nursing needs more storytellers, why representation in the profession matters, and why writing about real nursing experiences can shape the future of healthcare. Whether you're a nursing student, a nurse leader, or someone who has ever wondered whether your voice in this profession matters, Danae's story is a reminder that small moments and honest writing can ripple outward in ways you don't expect. Jump Ahead:  00:59 — Welcome and introducing Danae Petit01:47 — Why Danae chose nursing instead of medical school03:02 — Discovering writing as a creative outlet at The Pitt News04:48 — The "rude awakening" of freshman year05:32 — The shift from high school to college-level studying06:52 — Is nursing school harder, or is it the transition?08:26 — How readers responded to her first nursing column09:43 — The comfort of knowing you're not alone10:20 — Writing about what it means to be a Black nurse11:00 — The small moment at the food spot that became a column13:24 — Why diverse voices in nursing matter14:46 — "Whether I realize it or not, there are always people watching"17:13 — Representation in nursing: 11% of undergrad students are Black18:28 — Finding her niche in labor and delivery18:45 — Her first C-section and falling in love with L&D20:49 — A favorite professor and the joy of L&D21:31 — What senior year looks like22:18 — Will the writing continue after graduation?23:49 — Marion and Rebecca on why nursing needs more storytellers25:53 — Closing thanks🎙️ About The Love & Leary Podcast Thank you for tuning in to The Love n' Leary Podcast! If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave a 5-star review, and share it with a colleague. 🌐 Connect With Us Official Website: Visit nurse.org/lovenleary for episodes, articles, and exclusive nursing resources.Watch on YouTube: Subscribe to  Love n' Leary Podcast YouTube to watch full video episodes and highlights.👥 Follow the Hosts on LinkedIn Stay connected, network, and join the conversation with us professionally: Connect with Rebecca: Rebecca Love on LinkedInConnect with Marion: Marion Leary on LinkedInAbout Nurse.org: Empowering, entertaining, and uniting nurses worldwide. Explore more career guides, news, and community stories at Nurse.org.

  7. Jun 26

    What the Media Gets Wrong About Nursing — and Why It Matters (With Sandy Summers)

    Hosts Marion Leary, PhD, MPH, RN and Rebecca Love, RN, MSN, FIEL welcome Sandy Summers, RN, MSN, MPH, founder and executive director of The Truth About Nursing, for a powerful conversation about how the media shapes the way the public sees nurses — and why it matters far beyond entertainment. For 25 years, Sandy has been pushing back against the way nurses are portrayed on TV, in advertising, and in the news. From the early days of organizing nurses to challenge ER, to going after Hooters for a naughty nurse ad campaign, to today's fight with The Pit, Sandy walks through the stereotypes that won't go away and the real-world consequences of those portrayals on funding, policy, staffing, and the nursing shortage itself. In this episode, you'll hear how Sandy got the Washington Post to cover her first nursing media campaign in 2001, why she says the so-called nursing shortage was created by the hospital industry, how AI reimbursement codes are threatening to redefine nursing roles without nurses at the table, and what every nurse can do right now to join the fight. Whether you're a clinical nurse, a nurse leader, a nursing student, or a healthcare changemaker, this conversation is a call to use your voice. Jump Ahead:  00:58 — Welcome and introducing Sandy Summers01:32 — The Truth About Nursing's mission02:57 — Why nursing is the largest profession but still poorly defined in media03:34 — How it all started: the 2001 budget cuts and the ER campaign07:38 — Why The Pit is making the same mistakes ER did08:52 — 25 years of progress: ad campaigns, billboards, and global media wins11:09 — Why Sandy keeps going after 25 years13:20 — "I can't tolerate the disrespect"13:23 — How media portrayals affect policy, STEM designation, and funding14:54 — Nursing education gets 1/50th of physician education funding15:30 — Why the nursing shortage was created by the hospital industry16:29 — The CPT codes problem: 288 for AI, zero for nursing18:35 — How nurses can get involved with The Truth About Nursing20:00 — Linda Aiken's research: doubling a nurse's workload increases mortality by 31%23:28 — How to get more nurses fired up about this fight26:30 — Turning anger into action instead of burnout28:10 — Sandy's parting words to nurses28:44 — Closing thanks 🎙️ About The Love & Leary Podcast Thank you for tuning in to The Love n' Leary Podcast! If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave a 5-star review, and share it with a colleague. 🌐 Connect With Us Official Website: Visit nurse.org/lovenleary for episodes, articles, and exclusive nursing resources.Watch on YouTube: Subscribe to  Love n' Leary Podcast YouTube to watch full video episodes and highlights.👥 Follow the Hosts on LinkedIn Stay connected, network, and join the conversation with us professionally: Connect with Rebecca: Rebecca Love on LinkedInConnect with Marion: Marion Leary on LinkedInAbout Nurse.org: Empowering, entertaining, and uniting nurses worldwide. Explore more career guides, news, and community stories at Nurse.org.

  8. Jun 9

    Code Red for Future of Science in America (Opinion)

    Disclaimer: The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed in this episode belong solely to the hosts and do not necessarily reflect the official policy, beliefs, or position of Nurse.org. Hosts Marion Leary, PhD, MPH, RN, and Rebecca Love, RN, MSN, FIEL, are joined by Dr. Lorena Grundy (AAUP Vice President and Practice Associate Professor of Chemical Engineering at Penn) and Dr. Logan Spector (pediatric cancer genomics specialist at the University of Minnesota School of Medicine) on the Love n' Leary Nursing Podcast. The panel discusses a 412-page proposed rule from the White House's Office of Management and Budget regarding federal science funding in the United States. If enacted, the proposal would alter the grant decision-making process by giving political appointees the authority to override peer-review selections and terminate active grants mid-study without an appeals process. In this episode, the guests break down the specific components of the document, examine its potential impact on nursing research and clinical trials, and explain how the public can participate in the ongoing public comment period. At the time of recording, approximately 6,500 comments had been filed toward a collective advocacy goal of one million. This conversation outlines the details of the proposed policy and provides instructions on how researchers, clinicians, nurse leaders, and community members can submit feedback. Jump Ahead:  01:11 — Welcome back and introducing the episode02:01 — Introducing Dr. Lorena Grundy02:53 — Introducing Dr. Logan Spector and why this conversation was hard to book06:06 — Dr. Grundy on what's actually in the 412-page proposed rule08:55 — How this affects every scientific field, from nursing to engineering11:05 — The risk to active clinical trials and the patients enrolled in them16:47 — How universities and individual scientists balance the risk of speaking out23:55 — Why you can comment anonymously and how to do it26:06 — Rebecca's call to action28:21 — Why anyone can comment, not just scientists31:11 — Final thoughts and a thank you to the guests32:01 — The current comment count and the goal of one million33:14 — Closing thanksListen now at nurse.org/news/love-n-leary-nursing-podcast. 🎙️ About The Love & Leary Podcast Thank you for tuning in to The Love n' Leary Podcast! If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave a 5-star review, and share it with a colleague. 🌐 Connect With Us Official Website: Visit nurse.org/lovenleary for episodes, articles, and exclusive nursing resources.Watch on YouTube: Subscribe to  Love n' Leary Podcast YouTube to watch full video episodes and highlights.👥 Follow the Hosts on LinkedIn Stay connected, network, and join the conversation with us professionally: Connect with Rebecca: Rebecca Love on LinkedInConnect with Marion: Marion Leary on LinkedInAbout Nurse.org: Empowering, entertaining, and uniting nurses worldwide. Explore more career guides, news, and community stories at Nurse.org.

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The Love n’ Leary nursing podcast is where nursing leadership, innovation, and real talk come together. Hosted by nurse leaders Marion Leary, PhD, MPH, RN, and Rebecca Love, RN, MSN, FIEL, the show dives into the issues that matter most to today’s nursing community. Each episode features candid conversations, expert insights, and bold perspectives on healthcare, leadership, advocacy, and the future of nursing. Whether you’re a bedside nurse, nurse leader, or healthcare changemaker, Love n’ Leary offers thoughtful dialogue and practical takeaways to inform, inspire, and empower nurses at every stage of their careers.

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