The Thin Veil with Ezra Lipp

Ezra Lipp

The Thin Veil explores what happens when inherited narratives about history, identity, power, and belonging begin to break down—and what it means to move toward greater moral clarity and alignment in their wake. Centered around Palestine and anti-Zionism, and rooted in musician/activist Ezra Lipp’s own process of political unlearning later in life, the show features conversations with artists, organizers, and others navigating questions of imperialism, colonization, liberation, and the systems shaping our world.

  1. 1d ago

    "Who The F#%k Cares It's Jews?" - The Thin Veil Unfiltered (Pilot) w/ Rabbi Esther Azar

    Welcome to The Thin Veil Unfiltered—a new recurring conversation between Ezra Lipp and Rabbi Esther Azar that is meant to complement the long-form interviews on The Thin Veil. In this pilot episode, Ezra and Esther revisit one of the most nuanced and often misunderstood points from Esther's previous appearance on The Thin Veil: Is what we're witnessing best understood as Jewish supremacy—or Western supremacy operating through Zionism? They wrestle with whether Jewish voices can ever be appropriately centered while Palestinians are being slaughtered, whether Zionism functions as the true "operating system" behind the genocide, why Christian Zionism and Western empire must be part of the conversation, and what responsibility Jewish communities bear within that larger system. ⭐️PLEASE LEAVE A RATING AND REVIEW OF THE SHOW ❤️ SUPPORT THE SHOWLEAVE A ONE-OFF TIP ON KO-FI BECOME A REGULAR SUPPORTER ON PATREON HAKHAM/RABBI ESTHER AZARWEBSITE INSTAGRAM SUBSTACK  🇵🇸GET INVOLVED  JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE CONNECTING GAZA 🎙 LISTEN / WATCH / FOLLOW THE THIN VEIL THE THIN VEIL ON ALL PODCAST PLATFORMS THE THIN VEIL ON YOUTUBE THE THIN VEIL ON INSTAGRAM ✍️REACH OUT / SEND FEEDBACK THETHINVEILPOD@GMAIL.COM 👋 FOLLOW EZRA EZRA ON INSTAGRAM EZRA ON FACEBOOK EZRA'S WEBSITE EZRA ON YOUTUBE 🎵 THEME MUSIC BY MAGIC IN THE OTHER MAGIC IN THE OTHER WEBSITE MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON INSTAGRAM MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON YOUTUBE (00:00) - Coming Up (00:00) - Chapter 2 (01:00) - Introducing The Thin Veil Unfiltered (00:00) - Chapter 4 (03:00) - How Ezra and Esther Began Collaborating (00:00) - Chapter 6 (08:35) - The Conversation That Sparked So Much Debate (00:00) - Chapter 8 (10:45) - Why This Conversation Still Centers Palestinian Liberation (00:00) - Chapter 10 (12:40) - "Who Cares That It's Jews?" — Expanding the Frame (00:00) - Chapter 12 (14:45) - Judaism, Zionism, and Western Power (00:00) - Chapter 14 (18:00) - Zionism, Jewish Identity, and Antisemitism (00:00) - Chapter 16 (21:20) - Why Seeing Zionism as the Operating System Matters (00:00) - Chapter 18 (23:20) - Accountability, Responsibility, and Jewish Communities (00:00) - Chapter 20 (25:20) - Ending the Genocide vs. Changing Minds (00:00) - Chapter 22 (27:10) - Is Zionism Itself Antisemitic? (00:00) - Chapter 24 (28:20) - Jewish Power or Western Power? (00:00) - Chapter 26 (30:15) - Are We Centering Jewish Voices Too Much? (00:00) - Chapter 28 (35:30) - Why Esther No Longer Wants to Be Called an Anti-Zionist (00:00) - Chapter 30 (38:40) - Final Reflections ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

  2. 4d ago

    How Palestine Is Hidden From Us: History, Resistance & What We're Not Taught with Riad Bahhur

    In this episode of The Thin Veil, Ezra speaks with Palestinian-American filmmaker, historian, and Sacramento City College professor of Contemporary Palestinian History and Culture, Riad Bahhur. After his parents were denied the right to return to Palestine following Israel's occupation of the West Bank in 1967, Riad spent his early childhood in Venezuela before his family settled in the United States. He reflects on his childhood visits to Palestine, the lessons he learned about living under Israeli military occupation, and the beauty, resilience, and depth of Palestinian culture as embodied by his grandmothers. Later, Riad returned to Palestine to help document the First Intifada, work that contributed to the documentaries People and the Land and Two Blue Lines. Drawing on decades of teaching Palestinian history and culture, he describes the profound sense of betrayal many of his students experience when they encounter these often-overlooked histories for the first time. Toward the end of the conversation, Ezra shares a vulnerable reflection on how dramatically his own understanding of Palestine has changed in a relatively short period of time, and why questioning the narratives he inherited ultimately led to the creation of The Thin Veil. ⭐️PLEASE LEAVE A RATING AND REVIEW OF THE SHOW ❤️ SUPPORT THE SHOWLEAVE A ONE-OFF TIP ON KO-FI BECOME A REGULAR SUPPORTER ON PATREON  🇵🇸GET INVOLVED  JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE CONNECTING GAZA 🎙 LISTEN / WATCH / FOLLOW THE THIN VEIL THE THIN VEIL ON ALL PODCAST PLATFORMS THE THIN VEIL ON YOUTUBE THE THIN VEIL ON INSTAGRAM ✍️REACH OUT / SEND FEEDBACK THETHINVEILPOD@GMAIL.COM 👋 FOLLOW EZRA EZRA ON INSTAGRAM EZRA ON FACEBOOK EZRA'S WEBSITE EZRA ON YOUTUBE 🎵 THEME MUSIC BY MAGIC IN THE OTHER MAGIC IN THE OTHER WEBSITE MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON INSTAGRAM MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON YOUTUBE (00:00) - Riad Episode Edit (04:22) - Childhood in Palestine (12:58) - Clip The zionist Project (13:35) - Going back to America, Green (13:56) - Clip? The realest place is Gaza (15:31) - Always called to tell a story (filmmaking) (19:25) - First Intifada History Lesson (24:46) - Intifada - Underground schools and resistance - Green, trim 15% (29:43) - Teaching Palestine - Green (33:07) - Why People Can't See Palestine - Green (42:12) - Palestine Course and culture - Green (43:57) - Mixtape Confession - green (move earlier) (47:38) - Palestine Cultural Theft - Green (49:57) - More Zionist Discussion - Green (merge into previous section) (49:58) - Can Palestine Be Decolonized (Ending?) - Green "don't rush it" (56:51) - Iran/Palestine Trip - Yellow ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

  3. Jul 29

    Witnessing Genocide: How Gaza Changed Dr. Mark Brauner

    Dr. Mark Brauner is an emergency physician who has spent his career responding to trauma, but nothing prepared him for what he encountered while volunteering at Nasser Hospital in Gaza. In this conversation, he reflects on the overwhelming conditions inside the hospital, the starvation crisis, the moral weight of treating mass casualties, and the profound relationships that changed him forever. Rather than finding hatred in the midst of unimaginable suffering, Mark describes encountering extraordinary generosity, compassion, and humanity from the very people enduring the violence. He shares how those experiences reshaped his understanding of medicine, witness, grief, and what it means to remain fully human amidst the most trying circumstances. PLEASE CONSIDER SUPPORTING DOCTORS AGAINST GENOCIDE FOLLOW DR. MARK BRAUNERWEBSITE - INSTAGRAM - SUBSTACK ⭐️PLEASE LEAVE A RATING AND REVIEW OF THE SHOW ❤️ SUPPORT THE THIN VEIL!LEAVE A ONE-OFF TIP ON KO-FI BECOME A REGULAR SUPPORTER ON PATREON  🇵🇸GET INVOLVED  JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE CONNECTING GAZA 🎙 LISTEN / WATCH / FOLLOW THE THIN VEIL THE THIN VEIL ON ALL PODCAST PLATFORMS THE THIN VEIL ON YOUTUBE THE THIN VEIL ON INSTAGRAM ✍️REACH OUT / SEND FEEDBACK THETHINVEILPOD@GMAIL.COM 👋 FOLLOW EZRA EZRA ON INSTAGRAM EZRA ON FACEBOOK EZRA'S WEBSITE EZRA ON YOUTUBE 🎵 THEME MUSIC BY MAGIC IN THE OTHER MAGIC IN THE OTHER WEBSITE MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON INSTAGRAM MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON YOUTUBE (00:00) - Coming Up (01:00) - Welcome & Episode Introduction (04:18) - Dr. Mark Brauner's Path to Gaza (07:05) - "I Thought I Was Walking Into a War" (08:30) - Speaking From the Heart & Bearing Witness (12:05) - How Gaza Changed Him (13:20) - Kindness Inside Nasser Hospital (17:10) - The Formula Crisis & Failing to Save Children (19:40) - Lessons Palestinians Taught Him (21:30) - Leaving Gaza & The Aid Blockade (24:20) - Hunger, Starvation & Losing 25 Pounds (27:40) - Caring for the Dying (28:30) - Emergency Medicine in Mass Casualty Conditions (31:00) - Coming Home With Trauma (34:15) - Becoming a Full-Time Witness (36:20) - Gaza Humanitarian Foundation Aid Sites (38:15) - Systematic Gunshot Wounds to Children (42:00) - Why the Death Toll Is Likely Higher (46:00) - Scholasticide & Destroying Gaza's Future (48:15) - Returning Home to America (50:50) - Compassion, Complacency & Bearing Witness (55:10) - Doctors Against Genocide (56:10) - Why Humanity Is More Effective Than Outrage (56:55) - Closing Thoughts ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

  4. Jul 22

    Inside Israeli Indoctrination: How a West Bank Settler Escaped Zionism | Daniel Klein

    What does it take to leave an ideology that has shaped your entire identity? Daniel Klein was born and raised in a religious Zionist settlement in the occupied West Bank. From childhood through his service as a tank commander in the Israeli military, he was immersed in a worldview that framed Palestinians, security, history, and even morality through a single narrative. Today, Daniel writes and speaks about identity, ideology, deconditioning, and the psychological processes involved in leaving systems of supremacy and domination. In this conversation, Daniel reflects on what it was like to grow up inside that system—and what happened when it began to unravel. We discuss: Growing up in a West Bank settlementHow Zionist indoctrination begins long before military serviceThe role of fear, trauma, and identity in shaping worldviewDehumanization and the construction of "the other"Serving in the IDF and becoming disillusionedWhy he came to describe Israel as an apartheid stateLiberal Zionism and the limits of reformAccountability, justice, and whether reconciliation is possibleWhat it means to leave an ideology—and what comes afterFOLLOW DANIEL KLEINDANIEL'S WEBSITEDANIEL ON INSTAGRAMDANIEL ON SUBSTACK DANIEL REQUESTS WE FOLLOW AND SUPPORTTHE SOUL FORCE PROJECTThe Soul Force Project is a Altadena-based nonprofit that promotes social justice through global music and the arts. We present live events and community activations around themes of nonviolent action. ⭐️PLEASE LEAVE A RATING AND REVIEW OF THE SHOW ❤️ SUPPORT THE SHOWLEAVE A ONE-OFF TIP ON KO-FI BECOME A REGULAR SUPPORTER ON PATREON  🇵🇸GET INVOLVED  JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE CONNECTING GAZA 🎙 LISTEN / WATCH / FOLLOW THE THIN VEIL THE THIN VEIL ON ALL PODCAST PLATFORMS THE THIN VEIL ON YOUTUBE THE THIN VEIL ON INSTAGRAM ✍️REACH OUT / SEND FEEDBACK THETHINVEILPOD@GMAIL.COM 👋 FOLLOW EZRA EZRA ON INSTAGRAM EZRA ON FACEBOOK EZRA'S WEBSITE EZRA ON YOUTUBE 🎵 THEME MUSIC BY MAGIC IN THE OTHER MAGIC IN THE OTHER WEBSITE MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON INSTAGRAM MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON YOUTUBE (00:00) - Introduction (05:03) - The Water We Swam In (07:48) - "There Are No Palestinians" (11:12) - Amalek, Dehumanization & Supremacy (16:10) - Cracks in the Veil (19:42) - Seeing the Other (23:15) - Israel's Surveillance State (26:20) - Is Israel a Democracy? (28:40) - Israeli Society & the Occupation (32:20) - The IDF and Military Indoctrination (36:08) - The Cost of Leaving Zionism (42:10) - Meeting Palestinians (44:25) - Liberal Zionism (48:20) - Decolonization (50:20) - Responsibility, Justice & Repair (53:25) - How People Deprogram (54:55) - Who Deserves Safety? (58:40) - Living with Grief and Hope (01:03:10) - Closing Thoughts ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

  5. Jul 15

    Lifting The Veil: Hakham Esther Azar on Collective Shame, Arab-Jewish Identity & the Antisemitic Logic of Zionism

    In this wide-ranging conversation I spoke with Hakham Esther Azar—a Syrian American rabbi, social worker, writer, and educator raised in Brooklyn's Arab-Jewish community—to explore the psychological, historical, and spiritual foundations of Zionism and the systems of domination that sustain it. Esther offers a deep framework rooted in collective shame, trauma, colonialism, and identity. She shares her own journey from growing up in a deeply Zionist environment to questioning everything she had been taught, while reflecting on Arab-Jewish identity, Christian supremacy, Western empire, and why she believes Zionism ultimately reproduces antisemitic logic rather than protecting Jews from it. This is a fantastic episode and I learned a lot. Multiple listens probably warranted! For this episode we are drawing attention and support for The Sumud School, a grassroots educational lifeline for displaced Palestinian children in Gaza. HAKHAM ESTHER AZARWEBSITEINSTAGRAM ⭐️PLEASE LEAVE A RATING AND REVIEW OF THE SHOW ❤️ SUPPORT THE SHOW EZRA LIPP / THIN VEIL ON PATREON  🇵🇸GET INVOLVED  JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE CONNECTING GAZA 🎙 LISTEN / WATCH / FOLLOW THE THIN VEIL THE THIN VEIL ON ALL PODCAST PLATFORMS THE THIN VEIL ON YOUTUBE THE THIN VEIL ON INSTAGRAM ✍️REACH OUT / SEND FEEDBACK THETHINVEILPOD@GMAIL.COM 👋 FOLLOW EZRA EZRA ON INSTAGRAM EZRA ON FACEBOOK EZRA'S WEBSITE EZRA ON YOUTUBE 🎵 THEME MUSIC BY MAGIC IN THE OTHER MAGIC IN THE OTHER WEBSITE MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON INSTAGRAM MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON YOUTUBE ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

  6. Jul 8

    Understanding Israel: An Insider's Perspective on Israeli Society, Politics & One Democratic State | Einat Temkin

    In this episode of The Thin Veil, Ezra speaks with Israeli writer and activist Einat Temkin—a former United Nations communications officer (2008–2025) and former IDF member—about her journey from growing up in Israel in a liberal Zionist family to becoming an outspoken anti-Zionist Jewish voice. Together, they discuss Israeli society, military indoctrination, Zionism, Hasbara, the decline of the Israeli left, current Israeli politics, and why Einat believes a single democratic state is the only just long-term solution for both Israelis and Palestinians.FOLLOW EINAT EINAT'S ONE DEMOCRATIC STATE POST ⭐️PLEASE LEAVE A RATING AND REVIEW OF THE SHOW ❤️ SUPPORT THE SHOW EZRA LIPP / THIN VEIL ON PATREON  🇵🇸GET INVOLVED  JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE CONNECTING GAZA 🎙 LISTEN / WATCH / FOLLOW THE THIN VEIL THE THIN VEIL ON ALL PODCAST PLATFORMS THE THIN VEIL ON YOUTUBE THE THIN VEIL ON INSTAGRAM ✍️REACH OUT / SEND FEEDBACK THETHINVEILPOD@GMAIL.COM 👋 FOLLOW EZRA EZRA ON INSTAGRAM EZRA ON FACEBOOK EZRA'S WEBSITE EZRA ON YOUTUBE 🎵 THEME MUSIC BY MAGIC IN THE OTHER MAGIC IN THE OTHER WEBSITE MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON INSTAGRAM MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON YOUTUBE (00:00) - "The Israeli Left Has Disappeared" (00:00) - Chapter 2 (01:00) - Introduction (00:00) - Chapter 4 (02:35) - Growing Up Israeli (00:00) - Chapter 6 (05:35) - Indoctrination & Israeli Education (00:00) - Chapter 8 (09:45) - The IDF, Oslo & Rabin's Assassination (00:00) - Chapter 10 (12:45) - Leaving Israel & Working at the United Nations (00:00) - Chapter 12 (15:00) - Why I Became Anti-Zionist (00:00) - Chapter 14 (18:10) - Inside Israeli Politics Today (00:00) - Chapter 16 (20:00) - Has the Israeli Left Disappeared? (00:00) - Chapter 18 (25:40) - Dr. Abu Safiya & Gaza's Medical Crisis (00:00) - Chapter 20 (28:30) - Standing Together & Liberal Zionism (00:00) - Chapter 22 (38:25) - What Is Hasbara? (00:00) - Chapter 24 (41:45) - Debunking Common Zionist Arguments (00:00) - Chapter 26 (46:45) - Section 219: US–Israel Military Integration (00:00) - Chapter 28 (50:55) - Can Israelis Accept One Democratic State? (00:00) - Chapter 30 (54:20) - What Can Americans Do? (00:00) - Chapter 32 (55:45) - Closing Thoughts ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

  7. Jul 1

    Communication Breakdown: Mo Husseini on Empathy, Identity & How We Talk About Israel and Palestine

    What happens when a Palestinian writer and an anti-Zionist Jew agree on the destination—but disagree about some of the language and tactics we use to get there? In this conversation, I sit down with Palestinian American filmmaker, writer, and speaker Mo Husseini for a thoughtful and challenging discussion, filled with agreement, but also some respectful tension. We explore Palestinian identity, Zionism, Jewish historical trauma, empathy, antisemitism, the weaponization of antisemitism, as well as "the weaponization of the weaponization of antisemitism" (you read that right), power, language, and what genuine liberation might look like for both Palestinians and Israelis. This isn't a debate. It's an honest conversation between two people committed to justice who occasionally disagree about strategy, framing, and communication. Mo's WebsiteThe Path Forward - 2024 Film on Israel and Palestine Directed by Julie Cohen and Mo Husseini Mo's Substack ⭐️PLEASE LEAVE A RATING AND REVIEW OF THE SHOW ❤️ SUPPORT THE SHOW EZRA LIPP / THIN VEIL ON PATREON  🇵🇸GET INVOLVED  JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE CONNECTING GAZA 🎙 LISTEN / WATCH / FOLLOW THE THIN VEIL THE THIN VEIL ON ALL PODCAST PLATFORMS THE THIN VEIL ON YOUTUBE THE THIN VEIL ON INSTAGRAM ✍️REACH OUT / SEND FEEDBACK THETHINVEILPOD@GMAIL.COM 👋 FOLLOW EZRA EZRA ON INSTAGRAM EZRA ON FACEBOOK EZRA'S WEBSITE EZRA ON YOUTUBE 🎵 THEME MUSIC BY MAGIC IN THE OTHER MAGIC IN THE OTHER WEBSITE MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON INSTAGRAM MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON YOUTUBE ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

  8. Jun 24

    Untangling Judaism from Zionism: Rabbi Cat Zavis on Jewish Moral Courage

    Rabbi Cat Zavis is a spiritual leader, activist, attorney, and rabbi at Beyt Tikkun — an anti-Zionist Jewish congregation in the Bay Area. In this episode, we explore the process of untangling Judaism from Zionism — and what it means to reconstruct Jewish moral and spiritual life in the aftermath of deep political and theological rupture. We discuss her personal journey through social justice work, Jewish education, Palestinian solidarity organizing, and rabbinic leadership, as well as the broader tensions inside contemporary Jewish life. Topics include: - childhood moral formation and empathy- confronting Palestine within Jewish institutions- "liberal Zionism" and its limits- fear, propaganda, and institutional pressure- Jewish identity, empire, and political theology- moral courage, repair, and spiritual reconstruction BEYT TIKKUN SYNAGOGUE https://beyttikkun.org/ ⭐️PLEASE LEAVE A RATING AND REVIEW OF THE SHOW ❤️ SUPPORT THE SHOW EZRA LIPP / THIN VEIL ON PATREON  🇵🇸GET INVOLVED  JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE CONNECTING GAZA 🎙 LISTEN / WATCH / FOLLOW THE THIN VEIL THE THIN VEIL ON ALL PODCAST PLATFORMS THE THIN VEIL ON YOUTUBE THE THIN VEIL ON INSTAGRAM ✍️REACH OUT / SEND FEEDBACK THETHINVEILPOD@GMAIL.COM 👋 FOLLOW EZRA EZRA ON INSTAGRAM EZRA ON FACEBOOK EZRA'S WEBSITE EZRA ON YOUTUBE 🎵 THEME MUSIC BY MAGIC IN THE OTHER MAGIC IN THE OTHER WEBSITE MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON INSTAGRAM MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON YOUTUBE ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

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The Thin Veil explores what happens when inherited narratives about history, identity, power, and belonging begin to break down—and what it means to move toward greater moral clarity and alignment in their wake. Centered around Palestine and anti-Zionism, and rooted in musician/activist Ezra Lipp’s own process of political unlearning later in life, the show features conversations with artists, organizers, and others navigating questions of imperialism, colonization, liberation, and the systems shaping our world.

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  • Creator
    Ezra Lipp
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    21
  • Rating
    Explicit
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    © 2026 Mighty-Oh! Podcasts

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