CRUCIBLES Podcast

The Referent Group
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  • Self-Improvement
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The CRUCIBLES Podcast (hosted by The Referent Group) explores leadership through stories of defining moments. A crucible experience, according to scholars Warren Bennis and Robert Thomas, is "a trial and a test — a point of deep self-reflection that forces us to question who we are and what matters to us." Each episode ventures into a moment or event that disrupted assumptions, tested identity, and forced reflection. The stories aren’t about winning or surviving. They’re about meaning, transformation, and the ways hardship reshapes how we see ourselves and the world.

Episodes

  1. Oct 3

    Desperately Lonely: Indra Nooyi's Journey from Homesick Student to CEO of PepsiCo

    At 22, Indra Nooyi left India for Yale and landed in an empty dorm, lonely, afraid, and unsure if she should stay. She persevered through financial hardship, cultural shocks, and the fear that she might never quite fit in—working night shifts, leaning on new friends, and slowly finding her place. Those crucible months helped shape her resilience and identity, contributing to a path that would eventually take her to the helm of PepsiCo -- decades later. This episode explores the small acts, influential mentors, and bold choices that helped turn a period of profound loneliness into a formative chapter in the life of one of the world’s most consequential business leaders.

  2. Sep 1

    The Derailment: A Fatal Accident and the Weight of Responsibility (with Lynne LaBonte)

    In the middle of the night, a 72‑car, mile‑long oil train began rolling unattended down a gentle grade and reached over 60 mph before failing to negotiate a curve designed for 10 mph. Containers ruptured, oil ignited, and a chain of mechanical, procedural and organizational failures produced an enormous fire that devastated the small town of Lac‑Mégantic, Quebec and killed 47 people. This episode tells the story—from the parked train, the running lead locomotive and seven handbrakes, to a midnight engine fire, the loss of air brakes, and the catastrophic derailment—and traces how small decisions and misfortune added up to disaster. Lynne LaBonté, GM of transportation at the time of the accident--and a greatly admired leader by those who know her best--joins Doug Crandall and Traci Fisher to explore the Crucible experience she still thinks about "every day."

  3. Jun 16

    Growth Mindset: MLB Pitcher Jamie Moyer's Improbable Resilience

    In 1992, at 29 years old, Jamie Moyer was out of baseball. Released by his third MLB team in four years, unable to garner interest from even overseas clubs, Moyer faced a crossroads that would have ended most careers. Instead, he chose to rebuild — not just his pitching, but his entire approach to the game and to himself. What followed was one of the most remarkable second acts in sports history: a 25-year career that stretched until age 49. Moyer would become an MLB All-Star, a Seattle Mariners Hall-of-Famer, a World Series Champion, and one of the 20 winningest pitchers of baseball's modern era. In this episode of the Crucibles Podcast, Doug Crandall, Matt Kincaid, and guest-host Tim Porter sit down with Jamie to reflect on the crucible that could have sent him packing and the growth mindset that instead became the foundation of his mental edge.

  4. Jun 1

    Impossible Possible: Sandy Hook Elementary Teacher Kaitlin (Roig) DeBellis

    On December 14, 2012, a gunman entered Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, and took the lives of twenty children and six educators. Acting instinctively, Kaitlin (Roig) DeBellis made the "impossible, possible" to protect her first grade students by huddling them in a tiny bathroom. In the years since, she has carried the weight of that morning while finding the courage to reflect, heal, and lead. In the second episode of the Crucibles Podcast, Doug Crandall, Matt Kincaid, and Traci Fisher sit down with Kaitlin to reflect on the "darkest hour" that reshaped her understanding of resilience, purpose, and what it means to move forward in the aftermath of unimaginable tragedy.

  5. May 1

    Selfless Service: Dave Magarity, Maggie Dixon, and the Army Women's Basketball Team

    In the fall of 2005, just weeks before the start of the season, Army West Point Women's Basketball hired 28-year-old Maggie Dixon as its head coach. By March of 2006, Coach Dixon had led the program — in thrilling fashion — to its first-ever Division I NCAA Tournament appearance. Three weeks after facing Pat Summitt, Candace Parker, and the University of Tennessee in the first round, tragedy struck. In our inaugural episode of the Crucibles Podcast, Doug Crandall, Tom Hustead, and Matt Kincaid of The Referent Group sit down with Coach Dave Magarity and team captain Michelle Piasecki to reflect on the crucible that changed their lives, and many others, on April 6, 2006.

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About

The CRUCIBLES Podcast (hosted by The Referent Group) explores leadership through stories of defining moments. A crucible experience, according to scholars Warren Bennis and Robert Thomas, is "a trial and a test — a point of deep self-reflection that forces us to question who we are and what matters to us." Each episode ventures into a moment or event that disrupted assumptions, tested identity, and forced reflection. The stories aren’t about winning or surviving. They’re about meaning, transformation, and the ways hardship reshapes how we see ourselves and the world.

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  • Creator
    The Referent Group
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    5
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Copyright 2026 All rights reserved.
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