The Dead Can't Sue

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Serious academics. Dead subjects. A bit of gossip.  Is it appropriate for historians to gossip about the dead? Associate Professors Alecia Simmonds and Leigh Boucher aren't afraid to find out. In The Dead Can't Sue, they poke around in the entrails of Australian history, dishing up the best dirt and juiciest scoops on our nation's dead. Each week, you'll join us for the best dinner party conversations you've ever overheard, as Alecia and Leigh bring you their unfiltered takes. There'll be big names you'll get to know in new ways, as well as names you've never heard of, with jaw-dropping stories. Rebels, divas, convicts, heroes, scoundrels and everything in between.

  1. 3d ago

    Alfred Deakin: From seance-loving teenager to self-righteous founding father (part 1)

    Alfred Deakin may be known as a father of federation, but as a teenager he loved to commune with the dead.  In part one of Deakin's story, Leigh tries to make sense of Deakin's spiritualism (good luck) and grapples with some of the more troubling parts of our second prime minister's legacy.  Plus, Leigh reveals a truly withering school report Deakin received, and the scoop on the politician's emotional menage-a-trois with his wife and his sister.   SOURCES  Deakin, Alfred. Papers of Alfred Deakin, 1804–1973, principally 1880–1919. MS 1540. National Library of Australia, Canberra.  Deakin, Alfred. “Aboriginal Natives: Whether Half-Castes to Be Included in Count for Reckoning Population.” Opinion no. 13, August 29, 1901. Australian Government Solicitor. Deakin, Alfred. From Our Special Correspondent: Alfred Deakin’s Letters to the London Morning Post. Edited by Dianne Heriot. Vols. 1–10. Canberra: Australian Parliamentary Library, Department of Parliamentary Services, 2019–2023.  Deakin, Alfred. The Federal Story: The Inner History of the Federal Cause, 1880–1900. Edited by J. A. La Nauze. 2nd ed. Parkville, VIC: Melbourne University Press, 1963. Electronic reproduction, University of Sydney Library, 2000.  Deakin, Alfred. The Crisis in Victorian Politics, 1879–1881: A Personal Retrospect. Edited by J. A. La Nauze and R. M. Crawford. Melbourne: Melbourne University Press, 1957.  Brett, Judith. The Enigmatic Mr Deakin. Melbourne: Text Publishing, 2017.   Cahir, Fred, and Dan Tout. “‘All That Appears Possible Now Is to Mitigate as Much as Possible the Trials of Their Closing Years’: Alfred Deakin’s Attitudes to Aboriginal Affairs.” Australian Journal of Politics & History 64, no. 2 (2018): 177–93  Hearn, Mark. “‘Industrial Defence against the Whole World’: Deakinite New Protection as Narrative of Global Modernity.” Journal of Australian Studies 42, no. 3 (2018): 343–56  Lake, Marilyn. “‘The Brightness of Eyes and Quiet Assurance Which Seem to Say American’: Alfred Deakin’s Identification with Republican Manhood.” Australian Historical Studies 38, no. 129 (2007): 32–51.  Rickard, John. A Family Romance: The Deakins at Home. Carlton South, VIC: Melbourne University Press, 1996.   Macintyre, Stuart. “Alfred Deakin.” in Australian Prime Ministers, edited by Michelle Grattan, Sydney: New Holland, 2000.  IMAGE/VIDEO CREDITS  Portrait of Bennelong by James Neagle, National Library of Australia, nla.obj-1989529  Hosted by Alecia Simmonds and Leigh BoucherSupervising Producer: Hannah ReichProducer: Hannah JoseVideo producer: Christian HarimanowExecutive Producers: Clare Rawlinson and Eric GeorgeHead of ABC Audio on Demand: Jessica RadburnTheme: Martin PeraltaArtwork: Gabriel Virata-Alves

    Alfred Deakin: From seance-loving teenager to self-righteous founding father (part 1)

  2. Oct 26

    Eddie Mabo: The fight that defined and undermined him (part 2)

    Eddie Koiki Mabo brings the black-robed and bewigged barristers of the High Court to the remote island paradise of Mer, showing them his claim to... half the island.  Back on the mainland, Koiki faces days of gruelling cross-examination and questions that challenge his very sense of self. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are advised this episode mentions the name of an Indigenous person who has passed. Special thanks to ABC's senior cultural advisor Miriam Corowa.  SOURCES  Mabo: Life of an Island Man, 1997, directed by Trevor Graham Noel Loos and Eddie Mabo, Edward Koiki Mabo: His Life and Struggle for land rights, UQP, 1996.  https://www.mabonativetitle.com/info/eMbMLetter2.htm https://www.mabonativetitle.com/info/eMBCS.htm Hosted by Alecia Simmonds and Leigh BoucherSupervising Producer: Hannah ReichProducer: Hannah JoseVideo producer: Christian HarimanowExecutive Producers: Clare Rawlinson and Eric GeorgeHead of ABC Audio on Demand: Jessica RadburnTheme: Martin PeraltaArtwork: Gabriel Virata-Alves

    Eddie Mabo: The fight that defined and undermined him (part 2)

  3. Oct 19

    Eddie Mabo: Getting exiled - a rough start to a land rights mission (part 1)

    The name Mabo is almost synonymous with the phrase 'native title' in the Australian consciousness. But behind his fight for native title, who was Eddie Koiki Mabo?  And why was he exiled from the island he went on to make a land claim over?  Alecia retraces Eddie Koiki Mabo's life of adventure, heartbreak and determination. From the small island of Mer to the 1950s pearling boats to the segregated streets of Townsville, in part 1 of his story.  Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are advised this episode mentions the name of an Indigenous person who has passed. Special thanks to ABC's senior cultural advisor Miriam Corowa.   SOURCES  Mabo: Life of an Island Man, 1997, directed by Trevor Graham Noel Loos and Eddie Mabo, Edward Koiki Mabo: His Life and Struggle for land rights, UQP, 1996.  Japanese divers in Broome | National Museum of Australia https://www.mabonativetitle.com/info/eMbMLetter2.htm https://www.mabonativetitle.com/info/eMBCS.htm Hosted by Alecia Simmonds and Leigh BoucherSupervising Producer: Hannah ReichProducer: Hannah JoseVideo producer: Christian HarimanowExecutive Producers: Clare Rawlinson and Eric GeorgeHead of ABC Audio on Demand: Jessica RadburnTheme: Martin PeraltaArtwork: Gabriel Virata-Alves

    Eddie Mabo: Getting exiled - a rough start to a land rights mission (part 1)

  4. Oct 12

    Daisy Kwok: From Sydney to Shanghai to shovelling sh*t

    HELP! We are doing a listener survey and we want to hear from you. It's your turn to tell us what you really think - click here and complete the short survey. The White Australia Policy seems to be the spectre haunting many episodes of our podcast/Australian history. This week we meet Daisy Kwok, just one Chinese Australian whose life was changed by one of the world's worst immigration policies.  Born in Sydney in 1909 in the lap of luxury, Daisy and her family leave Australia, fleeing racism but also chasing further riches in Shanghai in the 1920s, the ‘Paris of the East’.  There Daisy becomes an it-girl of the bustling cosmopolitan boom town before things come crashing down (can you hear the clap of thunder of the communist revolution in the distance?).  SOURCES  Kwok, Daisy. Shanghai Daisy: The Autobiography of Daisy Kwok. Edited by Tess Johnston and Graham Earnshaw. Hong Kong: Earnshaw Books, 2019.  Brown, Jeremy, and Paul G. Pickowicz, eds. Dilemmas of Victory: The Early Years of the People’s Republic of China. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 2007.  Chen, Danyan. Shanghai Princess: Her Survival with Pride & Dignity. New York: Better Link Press, 2010.  Fitzgerald, Shirley. Red Tape, Gold Scissors: The Story of Sydney’s Chinese. Sydney: Halstead Press, 2008  Henriot, Christian, and Wen-hsin Yeh  In the Shadow of the Rising Sun: Shanghai under Japanese Occupation. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004.  Loy-Wilson, Sophie. “Daisy Kwok’s Shanghai: Life in China before and after 1949.” In Locating Chinese Women: Historical Mobility between China and Australia, edited by Kate Bagnall and Julia T. Martínez. Hong Kong: Hong Kong University Press, 2021.  Loy-Wilson, Sophie. Australians in Shanghai: Race, Rights and Nation in Treaty Port China. London: Routledge, 2017.  Listen to the RN Earshot episode about Daisy Hosted by Alecia Simmonds and Leigh BoucherSupervising Producer: Hannah ReichProducer: Hannah JoseVideo producer: Christian HarimanowExecutive Producers: Clare Rawlinson and Eric GeorgeHead of ABC Audio on Demand: Jessica RadburnTheme: Martin PeraltaArtwork: Gabriel Virata-Alves

    Daisy Kwok: From Sydney to Shanghai to shovelling sh*t

  5. Oct 5

    Joh Bjelke-Petersen:  The ‘hillbilly dictator’ goes down (part 2)

    HELP! We are doing a listener survey and we want to hear from you. It's your turn to tell us what you really think - click here and complete the short survey. Sharpen your knives and joins us as we dissect the recipe for Joh Bjelke-Petersen's political magic and figure out how he held onto the premiership for decades, despite his truly staggering corruption.  Then we dine out on Joh’s downfall (could the Fitzgerald Inquiry report be the read of 1987?!), before asking whether Joh really deserves his reputation as Australia's number one political villain.  Plus, Leigh comes for the fourth estate (hey, that's us!).  SOURCES  Bjelke-Petersen, Joh. The Joh Tapes on Leadership. Interviews produced by Richard Lancaster and Barry Martin. Seven-part video oral-history collection. Accession 720849. John Oxley Library, State Library of Queensland, Brisbane.  Bjelke-Petersen, Joh. Don’t You Worry about That! The Joh Bjelke-Petersen Memoirs. North Ryde, NSW: Angus & Robertson, 1990.  Queensland. Commission of Inquiry into Possible Illegal Activities and Associated Police Misconduct. Report of a Commission of Inquiry Pursuant to Orders in Council. Chaired by G. E. Fitzgerald. Brisbane: Queensland Government Printer, 1989.   Megarrity, Lyndon. “The Lion and the Fox: Whitlam, Bjelke-Petersen and the Queensland Electorate, 1961–1975.” ANU Historical Journal II, no. 3 (2022): 23–52  Robinson, Shirleene. “Homophobia as Party Politics: The Construction of the ‘Homosexual Deviant’ in Joh Bjelke-Petersen’s Queensland.” Queensland Review 17, no. 1 (2010): 29–45  Walter, James. “Johannes Bjelke-Petersen: ‘The Populist Autocrat.’” In The Premiers of Queensland, edited by Denis Murphy, Roger Joyce, Margaret Cribb, and Rae Wear, St Lucia, QLD: University of Queensland Press, 2003.  Wear, Rae. “‘Never-Ending Story’: Public Accountability and Public Administration Reform in Queensland since 1989.” Queensland Review 18, no. 2 (2011): 175–89  Wear, Rae. Johannes Bjelke-Petersen: The Lord’s Premier. St Lucia, QLD: University of Queensland Press, 2002.  Whitton, Evan. The Hillbilly Dictator: Australia’s Police State. Crows Nest, NSW: ABC Enterprises, 1989.  Williams, Paul D. “Leaders and Political Culture: The Development of the Queensland Premiership, 1859–2009.” Queensland Review 16, no. 1 (2009): 15–34  Hosted by Alecia Simmonds and Leigh BoucherSupervising Producer: Hannah ReichProducer: Hannah JoseVideo producer: Christian HarimanowExecutive Producers: Clare Rawlinson and Eric GeorgeHead of ABC Audio on Demand: Jessica RadburnTheme: Martin PeraltaArtwork: Gabriel Virata-Alves

    Joh Bjelke-Petersen:  The ‘hillbilly dictator’ goes down (part 2)

  6. Sep 28

    Joh Bjelke-Petersen: The 40-year-old virgin enters politics (part 1)

    Queensland's longest-serving premier is basically the bogeyman of Australian politics, a police-loving proto-Trump 'hillbilly dictator' the Sunshine State is still recovering from.  This week we retrace Joh’s rise from fail son to peanut farmer, and finally to the highest office in Queensland.   Plus... Joh marries a woman named Flo and then begins calling her ‘mum’ (not weird at all).  Also, while you’re here, please do our listener survey. SOURCES  Bjelke-Petersen, Joh. The Joh Tapes on Leadership. Interviews produced by Richard Lancaster and Barry Martin. Seven-part video oral-history collection. Accession 720849. John Oxley Library, State Library of Queensland, Brisbane.  Bjelke-Petersen, Joh. Don’t You Worry about That! The Joh Bjelke-Petersen Memoirs. North Ryde, NSW: Angus & Robertson, 1990.  Queensland. Commission of Inquiry into Possible Illegal Activities and Associated Police Misconduct. Report of a Commission of Inquiry Pursuant to Orders in Council. Chaired by G. E. Fitzgerald. Brisbane: Queensland Government Printer, 1989.   Megarrity, Lyndon. “The Lion and the Fox: Whitlam, Bjelke-Petersen and the Queensland Electorate, 1961–1975.” ANU Historical Journal II, no. 3 (2022): 23–52  Robinson, Shirleene. “Homophobia as Party Politics: The Construction of the ‘Homosexual Deviant’ in Joh Bjelke-Petersen’s Queensland.” Queensland Review 17, no. 1 (2010): 29–45  Walter, James. “Johannes Bjelke-Petersen: ‘The Populist Autocrat.’” In The Premiers of Queensland, edited by Denis Murphy, Roger Joyce, Margaret Cribb, and Rae Wear, St Lucia, QLD: University of Queensland Press, 2003.  Wear, Rae. “‘Never-Ending Story’: Public Accountability and Public Administration Reform in Queensland since 1989.” Queensland Review 18, no. 2 (2011): 175–89  Wear, Rae. Johannes Bjelke-Petersen: The Lord’s Premier. St Lucia, QLD: University of Queensland Press, 2002.  Whitton, Evan. The Hillbilly Dictator: Australia’s Police State. Crows Nest, NSW: ABC Enterprises, 1989.  Williams, Paul D. “Leaders and Political Culture: The Development of the Queensland Premiership, 1859–2009.” Queensland Review 16, no. 1 (2009): 15–34  Hosted by Alecia Simmonds and Leigh BoucherSupervising Producer: Hannah ReichProducer: Hannah JoseVideo producer: Christian HarimanowExecutive Producers: Clare Rawlinson and Eric GeorgeHead of ABC Audio on Demand: Jessica RadburnTheme: Martin PeraltaArtwork: Gabriel Virata-Alves

    Joh Bjelke-Petersen: The 40-year-old virgin enters politics (part 1)

  7. Sep 21

    Faith Bandler: Exposing CSR & Australia’s slave trade, aka 'Blackbirding' (part 2)

    Referendum won, tick. Next up, Faith has a new fight on her hands: one that includes exposing the sugar giants who profited from her father’s abduction and unpaid labour. Watch out.  But first, she must return to the island paradise where her father grew up: Ambrym. What she finds there will spur her on for decades of fighting.  Alecia and Leigh get fired up as they retrace Faith’s staggering journey for justice and connect Australia’s 1800s slave history to farming practices still in operation today.  SOURCES Marilyn Lake, Faith Bandler, Gentle Activist, Allen and Unwin, 2002  Ryan Butta, Blackbirding, Black Inc, 2026  Tracey Banivanuar Mar, Stabilising violence in colonial rule: Settlement and the indentured labour trade in Queensland in the 1870s, Liverpool University Press, 2017  Tracey Banivanuar Mar, Decolonisation and the Pacific: Indigenous Globalisation and the Ends of Empire, Cambridge University Press, 2016   Faith Bandler and Len Fox, The Time was ripe: a history of the Aboriginal-Australian Fellowship (1956-69), 1983  Faith Bandler oral history interview by Carolyn Craig, MLOH 307, Mitchell Library, State Library of New South Wales  Ryan, M. D. J. (2024). ‘A great many of them die’: Sugar, race and cheapness in colonial Queensland. Journal of Agrarian Change, 24(2), e12574. Hosted by Alecia Simmonds and Leigh BoucherSupervising Producer: Hannah ReichProducer: Hannah JoseVideo producer: Christian HarimanowExecutive Producers: Clare Rawlinson and Eric GeorgeHead of ABC Audio on Demand: Jessica RadburnTheme: Martin PeraltaArtwork: Gabriel Virata-Alves

  8. Sep 14

    Faith Bandler: The ‘gentle’ activist with an ASIO file who changed the constitution (part 1)

    Faith Bandler was the daughter of a slave, who became the face of the 1967 referendum and a celebrity in the process. And she did it all while keeping house and raising kids.  Few know her name now, yet Alecia argues that Faith is just as important to the fight for racial justice in Australia as Martin Luther King was to the USA.  Despite many people’s assumptions, Faith was not a First Nations Australian. So how did a South Sea Islander woman, with Indian and Scottish heritage, become the face of one of Australia’s biggest Indigenous causes?    Special thanks to ABC's senior cultural advisor Miriam Corowa and Waskam Emelda Davis.  SOURCES Marilyn Lake, Faith Bandler, Gentle Activist, Allen and Unwin, 2002  Ryan Butta, Blackbirding, Black Inc, 2026  Tracey Banivanuar Mar, Stabilising violence in colonial rule: Settlement and the indentured labour trade in Queensland in the 1870s, Liverpool University Press, 2017  Tracey Banivanuar Mar, Decolonisation and the Pacific: Indigenous Globalisation and the Ends of Empire, Cambridge University Press, 2016   Faith Bandler and Len Fox, The Time was ripe: a history of the Aboriginal-Australian Fellowship (1956-69), 1983  Faith Bandler oral history interview by Carolyn Craig, MLOH 307, Mitchell Library, State Library of New South Wales  Faith Bandler, ASIO file: Mitchell Library 3/55. FCAATSI  Hosted by Alecia Simmonds and Leigh BoucherSupervising Producer: Hannah ReichProducer: Hannah JoseVideo producer: Christian HarimanowExecutive Producers: Clare Rawlinson and Eric GeorgeHead of ABC Audio on Demand: Jessica RadburnTheme: Martin PeraltaArtwork: Gabriel Virata-Alves

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Serious academics. Dead subjects. A bit of gossip.  Is it appropriate for historians to gossip about the dead? Associate Professors Alecia Simmonds and Leigh Boucher aren't afraid to find out. In The Dead Can't Sue, they poke around in the entrails of Australian history, dishing up the best dirt and juiciest scoops on our nation's dead. Each week, you'll join us for the best dinner party conversations you've ever overheard, as Alecia and Leigh bring you their unfiltered takes. There'll be big names you'll get to know in new ways, as well as names you've never heard of, with jaw-dropping stories. Rebels, divas, convicts, heroes, scoundrels and everything in between.

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    2026
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