The Just People Pod

The Just People Podcast

We're living through a moment when faith and politics are getting harder to tell apart—and not in a good way. Fear is driving more decisions than love. Certainty is crowding out curiosity. And power keeps dressing itself up in spiritual language. Just People is a podcast for people who feel the tension—and want to embrace what Bruggemann called the prophetic imagination. Rooted in faith and committed to honest conversation, we explore what it actually means to follow Jesus when truth, freedom, and belonging are up for grabs. Because what you believe about God doesn't stay in the pew. It shows up in how you love your neighbor, how you hold power, how you engage people who are different from you—and what you demand from the laws and leaders that shape our common life. This isn't a show about having the right answers. It's about asking better questions. Questions like: Is this what faith is supposed to look like? Where's the line between conviction and control? What does it mean to be faithful in a democracy? We believe faith was never meant to be private or passive. And we believe ordinary people—just people—have both the capacity and the responsibility to resist authoritarianism, defend human dignity, and build something worth belonging to.

Episodes

  1. 6d ago

    009-The Courage to Leave MAGA w/ Carter Brown

    The conversation explores Carter Brown's journey from her evangelical upbringing to her awakening regarding political and social issues, including her experiences with QAnon and her reflections on racism. It highlights the importance of community, self-discovery, and the role of literature in her transformation. In this conversation, Cece Jones-Davis shares her transformative journey from a stay-at-home mom to a community leader, emphasizing the importance of personal growth through reading and self-discovery. She discusses the challenges of navigating life changes, the motivation behind her actions, and the need to face the consequences of past beliefs while transforming pain into meaningful action. Takeaways Carter's journey of awakeningImpact of evangelical upbringing Personal growth through readingEmbracing change and self-discovery Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Freedom Rides and Context03:04 Carter's Awakening and Political Views05:56 The Influence of Evangelical Upbringing09:12 Understanding QAnon and Its Allure12:07 The Intersection of Faith and Politics15:00 Personal Reflections on Racism and Growth18:00 Community and Identity in Transition20:50 The Mirror Moment and Self-Discovery23:49 The Role of Books in Transformation27:14 Navigating Anxiety and Public Perception30:03 The Journey Towards Authenticity32:58 Decolonizing Faith and Personal Agency38:22 The Journey of Self-Discovery43:25 Navigating Life Changes48:13 Motivation and Redemption57:24 Facing the Consequences of Beliefs01:02:01 Transforming Pain into Action

  2. Oct 4

    008-Leaving MAGA and Finding Humanity

    In this episode, CeCe Jones-Davis and Jon Mays interview Rich Logust, founder of Leaving MAGA, an organization dedicated to supporting individuals questioning or leaving the MAGA movement. Rich shares his personal journey from being a staunch supporter of Trump to recognizing the harmful impacts of the movement, and discusses the importance of community and belonging within MAGA. In this conversation, Rich discusses his journey of leaving the MAGA movement, reflecting on the mindset and beliefs that were prevalent within it, including issues of racism and community. He emphasizes the importance of providing support and understanding for those who are questioning their beliefs and seeking to leave MAGA, while also highlighting the need for a welcoming environment for these individuals. Takeaways Leaving MAGA offers supportPersonal journey of political change MAGA's impact on personal beliefsNeed for community support for those leaving MAGA Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Leaving MAGA04:24 Rich's Background and Political Journey09:42 The Turning Point: Leaving MAGA12:19 Understanding MAGA's Community Dynamics16:51 The Nature of Belonging in MAGA21:40 Power Dynamics and Political Aspirations23:04 The Conquest Mentality of MAGA25:22 Racism and MAGA: A Personal Reflection31:05 Understanding Racial Panic in MAGA35:41 Leaving MAGA: Building New Communities39:03 The Cost of Leaving MAGA41:58 Welcoming Those Who Leave MAGA44:08 Hope and Support for Change

  3. Sep 28

    007-Politics, Faith, and Actually Loving Your Enemy.

    The conversation with Justin Giboney covers his background, journey into politics, faith, and the intersection of faith and politics. It also delves into the current state of politics, pluralism, and democracy in the United States, as well as the challenges of polarization and dehumanization. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding differing perspectives and engaging in civil discourse. The conversation delves into the topics of compassion, Christian nationalism, the intersection of law, Christianity, and politics, and the importance of voter education and engagement. Justin Giboney emphasizes the need for moral imagination, empathy, and understanding in political discourse, while also addressing the influence of Christian principles in American politics and the significance of voter registration and participation. Takeaways Intersection of faith and politicsChallenges of polarization and dehumanization Compassion and empathy are essential in understanding differing political perspectives.Christian nationalism seeks to privilege Christian beliefs in the public square, which contradicts the principles of democracy and integrity.Voter education, registration, and engagement are crucial for ensuring democratic participation and representation. Chapters 00:00 Addressing Polarization and Dehumanization25:37 Compassion and Understanding in Politics27:28 Christian Nationalism and Legislation of Morality33:38 America as a Christian Nation38:12 Voter Suppression and Engagement42:13 Hope and Inspiration in Challenging Times

  4. Aug 21

    005-Rednecks for Black Lives and Class Solidarity

    The conversation delves into the subtle nature of white supremacy and the importance of organizing in working class white communities to address it. It also explores the Red Necks, Black Lives campaign, the concept of allyship and empowerment, and the navigation of shame and guilt in racial justice work. The conversation delves into the importance of organizing white people for racial justice, the impact of the current administration on white people, and the significance of solidarity and coalition-building. It highlights the need for white people to come together and work towards racial justice, as well as the effects of political leadership on the struggles faced by white individuals. The conversation emphasizes the value of building alliances and working in solidarity with people of color to create a more just and equitable society. Takeaways White supremacy is subtle and ingrained in societyOrganizing in working class white communities is essential for addressing white supremacy Organizing white people for racial justiceThe impact of the current administration on white peopleThe importance of solidarity and coalition-building Chapters 00:00 Understanding White Supremacy03:11 Organizing in Working Class Communities09:53 Red Necks, Black Lives Campaign16:14 Allyship and Empowerment21:14 Navigating Shame and Guilt28:20 Organizing White People for Racial Justice29:03 The Impact of the Current Administration on White People40:12 The Importance of Solidarity and Coalition-Building

  5. Aug 2

    003-America First, or Neighbor First? Faith & Democracy in an Interdependent World

    The conversation delves into Jason's background, including his Coptic evangelical upbringing and the challenges he faced when encountering American Christianity. It explores his journey of faith, advocacy work, and the impact of USAID cuts. The discussion also touches on universal truths and misconceptions about USAID. The conversation covers a wide range of topics, including the global impact of HIV medication, the role of churches in HIV intervention, the impact of USAID cuts on HIV clinics, scarcity and immigration policies, America First and global diplomacy, environmentalism and human impact, interdependence and globalization, and hope in Christian communities. Takeaways Coptic evangelical upbringing and its impact on faithThe impact of USAID cuts on advocacy work and global aid The vital role of churches in HIV interventionThe interconnectedness of global issues and the importance of international relations Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background02:54 Coptic Evangelical Upbringing05:52 Encountering American Christianity08:55 Navigating Faith and Cynicism15:07 Advocacy and USAID23:01 Impact of USAID Cuts25:53 Universal Truths and Hope31:55 Misconceptions about USAID35:00 Global Impact of HIV Medication36:03 The Role of Churches in HIV Intervention37:06 Impact of USAID Cuts on HIV Clinics39:35 Scarcity and Immigration Policies40:37 America First and Global Diplomacy45:55 Environmentalism and Human Impact54:46 Interdependence and Globalization59:55 Hope in Christian Communities

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We're living through a moment when faith and politics are getting harder to tell apart—and not in a good way. Fear is driving more decisions than love. Certainty is crowding out curiosity. And power keeps dressing itself up in spiritual language. Just People is a podcast for people who feel the tension—and want to embrace what Bruggemann called the prophetic imagination. Rooted in faith and committed to honest conversation, we explore what it actually means to follow Jesus when truth, freedom, and belonging are up for grabs. Because what you believe about God doesn't stay in the pew. It shows up in how you love your neighbor, how you hold power, how you engage people who are different from you—and what you demand from the laws and leaders that shape our common life. This isn't a show about having the right answers. It's about asking better questions. Questions like: Is this what faith is supposed to look like? Where's the line between conviction and control? What does it mean to be faithful in a democracy? We believe faith was never meant to be private or passive. And we believe ordinary people—just people—have both the capacity and the responsibility to resist authoritarianism, defend human dignity, and build something worth belonging to.

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