The ManFlu | Exploring Gender Dynamics, Partnerships & Raising Boys Who Care

Lucy McAfee

You’ve heard of the “ManFlu” — that mysterious illness that somehow hits men way harder than any woman could ever fathom. Well, we’re not handing out tissues. We’re here to talk about the real stuff underneath it: the disconnection, the imbalance, and how we can start to change it. The ManFlu is a metaphor we use to dig into something deeper: the cultural scripts, gender roles, and unspoken rules that keep men sidelined and leave women carrying more than their share of the mental and emotional load. Host Lucy McAfee has spent years studying how gender dynamics play out at home. As a wife and boy mom, she’s still working them out in her own family. Each week, The ManFlu brings together researchers, thinkers, and families themselves to explore emotional labor, modern partnerships, and how we raise more connected boys. Together, we examine why these patterns persist, how they affect families, and the practical shifts that build stronger partnerships today and help break old patterns for the next generation. You’ll leave each episode not just nodding along, but equipped with one small shift you can try at home. Join us to lighten the load and build a future where women and men can both show up as their whole selves. New episodes drop every Wednesday, follow the show so you don’t miss one. And share it with your friends, because no one should have to face the ManFlu epidemic alone. Follow Lucy on Instagram @lucypmcafee for more on gender dynamics, mental and emotional load, and raising boys who care. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  1. 19h ago

    The Noticing Gap: Raising Boys Who Look Around | Manasa Tanuku

    Ask a group of moms whether they noticed the friend who seemed off at dinner, and most will raise a hand. Ask their husbands, and you’ll often get a shrug. That gap in who notices what raises a bigger question. Are we teaching boys to pay attention to the people around them? On The ManFlu, host Lucy McAfee talks with Manasa Tanuku, co-founder of Sage Baby Co. and mom to a four-year-old son and a six-month-old daughter. Manasa spent years in finance and venture capital, then launched her company the day before she went into labor. A third culture kid raised between the US and India, she shares what her dad taught her about being seen, from a tiny chalkboard on a door handle to the texts he still sends when he hears something in her voice. Manasa sees plenty of fathers doing school drop-offs, packing lunches, and sharing the responsibilities of parenting. Yet even in what look like equal partnerships, she notices a difference in who carries the mental load of anticipating what’s needed, picks up on emotional cues, and pays attention to the things left unsaid. She connects that gap to the behaviors boys and girls are taught to notice, shares a fascinating study that mapped what men and women notice on the same walking path, and recalls a conversation with her son about a ’90s song that showed her how early these skills can develop. Raising emotionally intelligent boys starts with giving them opportunities to practice noticing. Manasa shares one small habit you can start tonight to help your kids pay closer attention to the people and world around them. You might find it changes what you notice, too. Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Welcome And Meeting Manasa Tanuku 02:08 A Long Road To Motherhood And New Ambition 08:24 Growing Up A Third Culture Kid 14:33 Dads At Drop-Off And Valuing Everyone's Time 18:18 Why Partnership Evens Out Over Seasons 22:44 The Gap In Who Notices What 26:00 The Study On Where Men And Women Look 30:28 Building The Noticing Muscle With A '90s Song 34:50 Heart-To-Heart Time With A Dad Who Noticed 41:30 The One Small Shift: Narrate What You Notice Mentioned in this episode Gender-Based Heat Map Images of Campus Walking Settings, Robbie Chaney, Alyssa Baer and Ida Tovar, Violence and Gender (2024): https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10951437/ Connect with Manasa Tanuku: Visit The Sage Baby Co. website Follow The Sage Baby Co on Instagram Connect with Lucy McAfee: Follow Lucy on Instagram Connect with Lucy on LinkedIn Visit The ManFlu website Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  2. Oct 21

    The Cornell Case and Our Boys: Consent Is the Minimum, Care Should Be the Standard

    This episode discusses sexual assault, consent, and allegations of sexual misconduct involving college students. The Cornell allegations remain the subject of ongoing legal proceedings. Most parents can explain the rules of consent to their sons. But consent is only the legal minimum. Will he notice when someone isn’t okay? Will he speak up when his friends cross a line? And will the grown men around him show him how? In this solo episode of The ManFlu, host Lucy McAfee starts with a show she was excited to talk about. Prime Video’s Off Campus gave millions of viewers college hockey players who check in, ask questions, and look out for the women in their lives. Then the Cornell fraternity sexual assault allegations made national headlines, along with disturbing messages reportedly shared in a fraternity group chat. Her plans for this episode changed. Lucy brings in a perspective on the difference between consent and care. Care asks whether a person feels safe, feels comfortable, and is in any state to make a choice. She also pushes back on a familiar response. Every time headlines call for raising boys better, the job lands on mothers. So where are the grown men in this conversation? Lucy offers one small shift drawn from Dr. Becky Kennedy and Eli Harwood, and it starts long before college with moments as ordinary as a playground or a wrestling match. Press play to hear practical ways to help boys practice care and courage, and why healthy masculinity needs grown men willing to model it. Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Welcome to The ManFlu With Lucy McAfee 01:16 Off Campus and Hockey Players Who Check In 05:11 How the Cornell Case Changed This Episode 06:55 What We Know About the Cornell Allegations 11:14 The Perfect Victim Myth 13:06 Care Should Be the Standard 15:25 The Good Guy With the Text Fallacy 18:06 Where Are the Grown Men in This? 20:37 Practicing Courage With Dr. Becky and Eli Harwood 24:04 One Small Shift: Rehearse the Right Thing Mentioned in this episode Off Campus on Prime VideoThe Opinions (New York Times): Cornell and the Age of Impunity, with David French, Michelle Cottle, and Jamelle BouieAbolish Frat Culture by Bess KalbDr. Becky Kennedy, Good InsideEli Harwood, Attachment NerdSources CBS News: Jane Doe’s account, text messages, and transcriptsCBS News: Cornell police interview transcriptCornell University: Official statementsLittleton, Axsom & Grills-Taquechel (2009): Sexual Assault Victims’ Acknowledgment Status and Revictimization RiskTreat et al. (2021): Fraternity Membership and Sexual AggressionSnopes: Fact-check on Megyn Kelly’s comments about Jane Doe Listener Support: RAINN | National Sexual Assault Hotline Free, confidential support available 24/7. Phone: 800-656-HOPE (4673) https://rainn.org/ Connect with Lucy McAfee: Follow Lucy on Instagram Connect with Lucy on LinkedIn Visit The ManFlu website Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  3. Oct 14

    Be Their Safe Place: Raising Boys in Middle School | Kelly Wiethuchter

    It’s 7:43 AM, her boys still aren’t out the door, and our guest is sipping her coffee and saying nothing. Middle school parenting asks you to step back right when every instinct tells you to step in. On this episode, host Lucy McAfee talks with her friend Kelly Wiethuchter, an ad tech sales leader and mom to fraternal twins, about raising boys through the transition to sixth grade. Kelly’s sons share a birthday, but not the same personality. One is an extrovert who wakes up asking who can hang out, and the other is more introverted and saves his energy for a few close friends. One sits down and knocks out his homework right away, while the other works better with a deadline. Raising twins showed Kelly early that two kids under one roof need to be parented differently. This year Kelly stopped packing their backpacks so the boys could build their own executive functioning skills, and she explains why she is willing to let them be late. She also shares what happened last year when another boy at the playground pulled up something on his phone that no child should see. What her sons did next is a lesson in online safety for kids, and it proved to Kelly that she had become their safe place. Her one small shift: start with one. Kelly borrows “10 Before 10” from Chris McKenna of Protect Young Eyes, the idea of having ten short conversations with your child about what they might see online before age 10. She keeps each talk short and side by side, in the car or on a walk, and uses a lesson from her media career, reach and frequency, to space them out so no one dreads a trip to the grocery store with mom. Press play for a middle school parenting approach that helps your sons learn to figure things out while they still live at home. Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Welcome And Meeting Kelly Wiethuchter 02:03 Infertility, Loss, And Two Rainbow Babies 06:27 Twins With Two Very Different Personalities 14:48 Why She Stopped Packing Their Backpacks 19:15 Only Six Years Left To Shape Them 21:53 The Phone Moment That Proved She's Safe 29:28 10 Before 10 And Reach And Frequency 35:24 Yardsticks, A Parenting Book She Actually Finished 40:52 Raising Empathetic Boys Who Talk About Feelings 45:33 The One Small Shift: Start With One Resources mentioned in this episode: Yardsticks: Child and Adolescent Development Ages 4–14 by Chip Wood “10 Before 10” by Chris McKenna Follow Protect Young Eyes on Instagram Good Inside: A Guide to Becoming the Parent You Want to Be by Dr. Becky Kennedy Bark (parental controls and home internet filter) Listen to Sarah Koopmann’s episode of The ManFlu Connect with Kelly Wiethuchter: Connect with Kelly on LinkedIn Connect with Lucy McAfee: Follow Lucy on Instagram Connect with Lucy on LinkedIn Visit The ManFlu website Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  4. Oct 7

    It's Not You, It's the Job Description: Navigating Maternal Burnout and Mom Guilt | Stacy McCann

    You ask for help. He nods along. Next week looks exactly the same. If you've wondered how to talk to your husband about the mental load without it ending in tears or silence, this conversation is a good place to start. On The ManFlu, host Lucy McAfee talks with Stacy McCann, a licensed therapist, writer, speaker, and parent coach whose practice focuses on maternal burnout. Stacy says many moms walk into her office assuming they are doing something wrong or that they are “broken.” Her job is to show them there was a path paved for them long before they became mothers, by the roles they grew up watching and a modern job description for motherhood no one could ever meet. Lucy confesses her own mom guilt over a basket of unfolded laundry, and Stacy shares how she helps clients trace where that critical voice comes from. She explains why “I” statements carry more weight for women raised to stay quiet, and what to do when a partner agrees in the moment and nothing changes. Fair Play by Eve Rodsky can feel like a lot to take on when the mental load of motherhood sits mostly with you. Stacy starts smaller, with a weekly family meeting for couples built around the calendar. She closes with one small shift for reclaiming the small pockets of buffer time in your day that no one else has access to. Press play to learn how to talk to your husband about the mental load in a way that moves things forward at home. Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Welcome And Meeting Therapist Stacy McCann 02:10 How the Pandemic Exposed Maternal Self-Sacrifice 04:57 Why Moms Arrive Convinced They Are Broken 07:28 The Impossible Job Description for Modern Mothers 12:52 Mom Guilt and the Unfolded Laundry Basket 19:38 Why I Statements Are a Mindset Shift 26:20 When He Nods Along and Nothing Changes 34:09 Starting a Weekly Household State of the Union 39:51 Online Shaming and the Messy Middle of Marriage 47:41 One Small Shift to Reclaim Your Buffer Time Books Referenced on the Show: Fair Play: A Game-Changing Solution for When You Have Too Much to Do (and More Life to Live) by Eve Rodsky Find Your Unicorn Space: Reclaim Your Creative Life in a Too-Busy World by Eve Rodsky Drop the Ball: Achieving More by Doing Less by Tiffany Dufu Connect with Stacy McCann: Follow Stacy on Instagram Visit the Present Moment website Connect with Lucy McAfee: Follow Lucy on Instagram Connect with Lucy on LinkedIn Visit The ManFlu website Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  5. Sep 30

    Balanced, Not Equal: How Two Wives Share the Mental Load | Julia Markish & Krissa Lagos

    Julia Markish sat at a dinner party while the women around her swapped stories about burnout and the mental load. She has a wife, so she couldn't relate. Still her first thought was a guilty one: Am I the man in this story? Host Lucy McAfee talks with Julia, an executive coach, and her wife Krissa Lagos, a book editor, in the first couple's interview on The ManFlu. When Lucy asked if Krissa would've had her own complaint at that dinner party, the answer was no. They both have their roles, and balance was one of the seven touchstones they built their wedding ceremony and marriage around. Krissa cooks and Julia cleans. Julia schedules the checkups and Krissa keeps each day on track. When Krissa realized she kept landing in the kitchen prepping food while Julia got the fun part with their son, they talked about it and found a fairer way to divide the morning. Gratitude in relationships runs through all of it. Julia and Krissa thank each other for small things and have learned to ask when the thanks doesn't come. They also talk about raising boys with room to feel, and how the trans men in their San Francisco community can show their son a different kind of masculinity. Press play for a model of how same-sex couples divide household labor that any couple can borrow, plus one small shift you can try at home this week. Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Welcome And Meeting Julia and Krissa 02:35 The Dinner Party Where Julia Couldn't Relate 05:49 The Breakfast Prep Fix That Restored Fairness 08:40 Building A Marriage Around Seven Touchstones 12:43 Why Being With A Woman Can Feel Easier 18:13 Raising The Flag When You Need Thanks 20:41 Raising Their Son In A Queer Community 28:46 How Their Careers Shape Life At Home 32:41 What Straight Couples Can Borrow From Them 38:01 The One Small Shift: Ask For The Thanks Referenced on the Show: Episode 9: The Manosphere and our Boys: What It’s Teaching Them, What We Can Do Farideh, songs about parenting and motherhood Connect with Julia Markish & Krissa Lagos: Visit the Embrace the Human website Visit Krissa’s website Connect with Lucy McAfee: Follow Lucy on Instagram Connect with Lucy on LinkedIn Visit The ManFlu website Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  6. Sep 23

    Before It Had a Name: A Teacher of 30 Years on the Load, the Village, and What Changed for Boys

    Long before mental load and maternal burnout were in our common vernacular, our guest this week had a moment that clearly illustrated them: rushing out the door for work, unable to find a glove, and deciding that if she couldn't find it, she was done. Host Lucy McAfee sits down with her mom, Eileen Goeke, a retired high school teacher and mother of four, to compare motherhood across two generations. Eileen lived in 10 houses in ten years, built new communities in small towns, and eventually returned to teaching without ever having a conversation with her husband about how the responsibilities at home would change. Lucy asks how Eileen found her village then and why building that kind of support can feel harder for parents today. After nearly 30 years in the classroom, Eileen also saw major changes in the boys she taught. Earlier in her career, many boys seemed to have a clearer sense of what came next after high school. Over time, she saw more students struggle to figure out where they fit as their options and expectations changed. She and Lucy talk about phones in the classroom, parents stepping in to solve problems, and how giving kids more choices can sometimes make life harder. Eileen also shares the simple habit that helped teenage boys slow down and talk to her. Listen for Eileen's perspective on letting go of some of the pressure around motherhood, from resisting the urge to apologize for a messy house to deciding which choices really deserve your time and attention. Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Meet Eileen, Lucy's Mom and Longtime Teacher 03:35 Four Kids, Ten Houses, and Building a Village 08:47 Going Back to Work Without a Conversation 11:24 The Glove Story and Motherhood Burnout 18:14 Why the Doorbell Still Triggers House Apologies 21:05 Watching Boys Lose Their Clear Next Step 26:54 Phones, Parent Pushback, and Too Many Choices 37:39 The Comparison Trap and Finding Yourself 45:32 Skip the Decision Tree on Small Choices 48:22 Sitting on It With Teenage Boys Connect with Lucy McAfee: Instagram: @lucypmcafee LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/lucymcafee Show Website: https://shows.acast.com/the-manflu Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  7. Sep 16

    The Manosphere and Our Boys: What It's Teaching Them, What We Can Do

    The Manosphere doesn't need boys to go looking for it. Researchers who set up TikTok and YouTube accounts posing as teenage boys found it reached their feeds within 26 minutes, starting from nothing more than a fitness video or a gaming clip. Host Lucy McAfee spends this episode of The ManFlu Podcast unpacking the Manosphere, the vast online world of influencers, podcasts, and communities shaping how boys think about masculinity, women, success, and their own worth. She uses Netflix's Adolescence and Louis Theroux's Inside the Manosphere as her way into the topic, then digs into what boys are actually absorbing once the algorithm gets them there. At the center of it is a dangerous idea: that men are born without value and have to earn it through money, strength, status, and attention from women. Lucy connects that message to therapist Terry Real's distinction between healthy self-esteem and performance-based self-esteem, and traces the childhoods behind some of the biggest names selling this content. She also explains the term incel and how ordinary teenage loneliness gets twisted into resentment and blame. The answer isn't simply keeping boys offline, since these messages can reach them anywhere. The bigger opportunity is helping them question what they're hearing and making home a place where they can bring it up. Lucy closes with one small shift: a set of age-specific questions parents can start asking this week to keep that door open, so we're raising boys who know exactly who they can talk to. Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Why Lucy Is Tackling The Manosphere 04:44 Defining The Manosphere In Plain Terms 09:34 The Idea That Men Are Born Without Value 14:22 Tate Brothers' Arrests And Followers' Response 21:32 The Childhoods Behind These Influencers 23:57 Healthy Versus Performance-Based Self-Esteem 28:50 One Small Shift To Start The Conversation Connect with Lucy McAfee: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lucypmcafee  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/lucymcafee Show Website: https://shows.acast.com/the-manflu Mentioned in this episode Adolescence on NetflixLouis Theroux: Inside the Manosphere on NetflixTalk to Your Boys by Joanna Schroeder and Christopher PepperEntitled by Kate ManneTerry RealEpisode 4 with Julie Messer Sources Dublin City University: Recommending ToxicityU.S. Secret Service: Mass Attacks in Public Spaces, 2016–2020CDC suicide dataAssociated Press reporting on the Tate brothers’ arrest This episode includes a discussion of suicide. If you or someone you know needs support, call or text 988 or visit the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  8. Sep 9

    You Can't Do It All: Five Years Straight of Breastfeeding and the Reckoning at Home | Victoria Tice

    Some women carry the mental load in marriage so quietly that even their own husbands don't see it happening. Host Lucy McAfee sits down with Victoria Tice, a copywriter and birth doula. Victoria has spent five years breastfeeding her two sons on demand, no pumps, no bottles, straight from the source.  And that choice opened up a much bigger conversation about partnership, recovery, and who carries what at home. Victoria compares her husband's five days of paternity leave with their first son to the nearly four months he took with their second, and why that difference changed her postpartum recovery completely. She and Lucy get into the list Victoria and her husband built together, naming every task that keeps a home running, and the exact language she uses now when dividing household responsibilities without becoming the house manager who reminds him of everything. They also take on the maternal instinct myth, the idea that mothers are simply born knowing what to do while fathers get room to learn as they go. It is another face of the mental load in marriage, deciding everything so no one else has to. Press play to hear Victoria's simple weekly habit for protecting her own time and why she says letting your partner fail is part of learning to actually share it. Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Welcome And Meeting Victoria Tice 02:13 Five Years Of Exclusive Breastfeeding Explained 04:18 The Plan That Wasn't Really A Plan 08:27 Doing It All Alone With Baby One 12:31 Five Days Leave Versus Four Months 15:58 The Pressure Fathers Feel Taking Leave 20:43 When Travel Broke Their Family Rhythm 25:43 Building A Fairness List With Fair Play 30:17 Naming The Mental Load In Marriage 38:21 The One Small Shift To Try This Week Connect with Victoria Tice: Website: https://www.victoriajtice.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/truenorth.birth  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theticehouse  Connect with Lucy McAfee: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lucypmcafee  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/lucymcafee Show Website: https://shows.acast.com/the-manflu Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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You’ve heard of the “ManFlu” — that mysterious illness that somehow hits men way harder than any woman could ever fathom. Well, we’re not handing out tissues. We’re here to talk about the real stuff underneath it: the disconnection, the imbalance, and how we can start to change it. The ManFlu is a metaphor we use to dig into something deeper: the cultural scripts, gender roles, and unspoken rules that keep men sidelined and leave women carrying more than their share of the mental and emotional load. Host Lucy McAfee has spent years studying how gender dynamics play out at home. As a wife and boy mom, she’s still working them out in her own family. Each week, The ManFlu brings together researchers, thinkers, and families themselves to explore emotional labor, modern partnerships, and how we raise more connected boys. Together, we examine why these patterns persist, how they affect families, and the practical shifts that build stronger partnerships today and help break old patterns for the next generation. You’ll leave each episode not just nodding along, but equipped with one small shift you can try at home. Join us to lighten the load and build a future where women and men can both show up as their whole selves. New episodes drop every Wednesday, follow the show so you don’t miss one. And share it with your friends, because no one should have to face the ManFlu epidemic alone. Follow Lucy on Instagram @lucypmcafee for more on gender dynamics, mental and emotional load, and raising boys who care. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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