Episode Seven– Invisible Enemies: Stories from Australia's Epidemic Frontlines In this episode, Dr Shirleen Robinson invites you to consider the stories of some of Australia's greatest public health crises through the voices of many of those impacted and whose courage met the moments. Across three different eras, the 1919 influenza epidemic, the devastation of HIV and AIDS, and the more recent COVID-19 pandemic, this episode explores how epidemics disrupted the familiar, how borders closed, how individuals and communities responded and how public health became something every Australian had to think about. To learn more, the book The Memory Tapes is available where all good books are sold. This episode includes excerpts from the following oral history interviews from the National Library Oral History Collection: 1. Alice Doyle interviewed by Lucy Taksa In this oral history Doyle speaks of her family's background in country and city Victoria, moving to Sydney at age 11, the comparison of school in country and city , her immediate and extended family, her employment in an umbrella factory, work conditions, lifestyle, family reading material, and her memories of the plague in Sydney, 1903 and the flu epidemic of 1918. 2. Barbara Cullen interviewed by Catherine Johnson Born in Double Bay, Sydney, Cullen speaks of her parents' background, childhood memories, family life, their living conditions, family servants and their chores, family health, schooling beginning with a governess and then private schools in Sydney and Bowral, the custom of "coming out", her memories and experiences as a child during WWI, her mother's lifestyle and modern attitudes about women and society, contraception, sex and sex education, and the influenza epidemic of 1919. 3. Louisa Martin interviewed by Catherine Johnson Martin speaks of her parents' background immigrating from Scotland and England, childhood memories with her brothers and sisters, life and work on the farm, moving to Brunswick Heads, employment doing housework for local families, and her experiences during flu epidemic of 1919. 4. Thomas McKernan interviewed by Mel Pratt McKernan, a journalist, overseas correspondent, and publicity officer for the National Capital Development Commission, speaks about early childhood in Northcote, his family background, living conditions during World War I, illness brought on by Spanish flu epidemic, education at St. Patrick's College, the police strike of the 1920s as he was told by his father, post-war Melbourne, the death of his father, and how he entered journalism in 1948 with Radio Australia. 5. Beatrice Gerdes interviewed by Bronwyn Hughes Born in Balmain, Sydney, Gerdes speaks of her family, being the eldest of 9 children, her parents' backgrounds and work, her mother and her work in the home, sex education, pregnancy, social life, family roles, family health, employment with AMP doing clerical work, WWI, and the flu epidemic. 6. Ethel Brunton Gibb interviewed by Catherine Johnson Born in Surrey Hills, Gibb speaks of her parents' background, her father's employment overseas, life with extended family in Ashfield, the family home and family values, meeting her father for the first time, lifestyle and education in U.S., returning to Australia, discrimination and racism during World War I, her husband's involvement in World War I, her and her husband's work in radio, the flu epidemic 1919, and the Depression. 7. Eva Nowlan interviewed by Inge Riebe Nowlan speaks of the family dairy farm, family life, the pneumonic influenza that killed her sister and its effect on the community, her memories of WWI, employment as a home help after leaving school, brief experience nursing, marrying reluctantly, her opinion of their marriage, and managing a farm on her own during the 1914 drought. 8. Phyllis Matthews interviewed by Stan Arthur Matthews talks about her earliest recollection of her Uncle Ted singing a song for her at the front gate of the family home before he headed off to the War, the family home and neighbourhood, her mother's contraction of the pneumonic influenza in 1919, her father's return from the war and his being unaware of mother's death, relocation to the countryside and life on the farm, her father getting out of the 'family business', her relationship with step-mother, meeting her husband, moving to Papua New Guinea and working as a radio (tele) operator. 9. Ron Penny interviewed by Diana Ritch Professor Ron Penny, Director, Centre for Immunology, St Vincent's Hospital, Sydney, NSW, speaks of his background in medical research, setting up immunology laboratory St Vincent's Hospital, medical research funding, first contact with AIDS as a disease, epidemiological study of HIV and gay men, his representation on AIDS Taskforce, National Advisory Committee on AIDS and ANCA (anti-neutrophil cytoplasmic antibodies), lessons learned from AIDS epidemic, the Grim Reaper campaign, AIDS education, and scientific advances made from AIDS study. 10. John Bal interviewed by Shirleene Robinson In this oral history John discusses growing up in country Victoria, his experiences of bullying at school, attending La Trobe to study, reconciling with himself that he 'was not heterosexual', moving to Adelaide and working at Flinders Medical Centre, the gay scene in early eighties Adelaide, how he learned about GRID (gay related immunodeficiency) in medical literature, prior to joining the gay community, and how it may have helped prepare him for the emergence of the AIDS crisis, moving to Melbourne in 1984, his work with the Victorian AIDS Council, volunteering as an 'AIDS mate' at Fairfield Hospital, the dedication of medical staff at the time, going into nursing, the Grim Reaper Campaign, the media's handling of the 1984 incident where multiple children had received HIV infected blood transfusions, his long lasting friendship with the man who had unknowingly donated the infected blood, the contrast between the media portrayal of him and the reality of the man himself, learning he was HIV positive, living with HIV, and his career supplying HIV counselling to patients in GP clinics. 11. Leslie Taylor interviewed by James Waites Taylor speaks about his early life in New Zealand, coming to Australia in 1981, living with HIV, becoming involved with the Victorian AIDS Council in 1983, the AZT Task Force, the People Living With AIDS program, and how HIV has affected his life. 12. Robert McLean interviewed by James Waites McLean speaks about his childhood in Adelaide, his sexuality, contracting HIV; promoting understanding of HIV/AIDS among Torres Strait Islanders, living with HIV, and what he has learned from being HIV positive. 13. Ian Rankin interviewed by James Waites Ian Rankin, President of the Australian Federation of AIDS Organisations speaks about his upbringing, the early days of AIDS, gay-related immune deficiency (GRID), his involvement in social advocacy and activism, AZT trials, relocating to Canberra, local HIV services, his position as Convenor of People Living With HIV/AIDS-ACT and President of AIDS Action Council-ACT, the arrival of highly active anti-retroviral therapies, his early involvement in HIV community sector activity, his time as Australian Federation of AIDS Organisation delegate; the AIDS Coalition To Unleash Power model, the AIDS Match Funding Programme and Medicare AIDS Programme, the HIV community sector over past 10 years and the reduced resources while the HIV+ population increases, the Disability Support Pension, Canberra's first mobile needle exchange, his involvement in AIDS Action, and the changes in approach to education over past decade. 14. Geoffrey Cole interviewed by James Waites Geoffrey Cole, Services Coordinator at the AIDS, Dementia and HIV Psychiatry Service, speaks about studying to become a psychiatric nurse, his experiences working as a medic in Nui Dat during the Vietnam War, moving to Sydney, working as a mental health nurse, building rapport with patients, the gay community in Sydney during the early eighties, the impact the emergence of HIV had on the community and interpersonal relationships, 'fake' HIV tests and false positives, the discrimination faced by himself and others in the community during the AIDS crisis, unexpectedly strong support from volunteers out of the Lesbian and heterosexual communities, community building in the HIV and Tropical Diseases Ward at Prince Henry Hospital, the Neuro AIDS Symposium and International Neuro AIDS Society World Conference, the scientific and medical advancements Australia made in HIV treatment and prevention, the effects of HIV in remote and rural areas of Australia, the relationship between HIV and mental health, AIDS Dementia Complex, and starting the AIDS, Dementia and HIV Psychiatry Service and it's work in the years following 15. Edward Holmes interviewed by Michael Green Virologist and evolutionary biologist, Edward Holmes is a Professor at the University of Sydney and fellow of the National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC). With Zhang Yongzhen, he co-authored the first published descriptions of SARS-CoV-2 (Covid 19) and its genomic sequence. In this oral history Professor Holmes discusses his early life, growing up in the UK, his studies, moving to Australia, developing an interest in virology during the AIDS crisis, his work prior to the COVID-19 outbreak and his long-standing working relationships with chief virologists in China and the Chinese Centre for Disease Control, the ecosystem in and around Wuhan, and how it likely contributed to the virus jumping from animals to humans, initial sequencing of the genome and making the information public, the ramifications of its unsanctioned publication, the virus' spr