De Donkere Kamer (English)

Kaat Celis

De Donkere Kamer is the podcast for photographers who want to grow, behind the camera and in their business. Twice a week, host and photographer Kaat Celis shares a new episode: one solo conversation with her own reflections on creativity and craft, and one in-depth interview with respected names in international photography, including Anton Corbijn, Christopher Anderson, David Campany, and Harry Gruyaert. Together, these conversations explore what it takes to keep growing as a photographer, creatively and in business. New episodes every week. donkerekamer.com

  1. 1d ago

    #64 - 5 insights from Tony Robbins' UPW seminar for photographers and entrepreneurs

    Last week I sat in an arena in Cologne with 15,000 people, at Tony Robbins' seminar Unleash the Power Within. Four days, from early morning until late at night, together with five other entrepreneurial women from my Female Leaders club. In this episode I take you through five insights I brought home from there, and they apply just as much to your photography practice as to your life. Pattern recognition, and how a pattern of carelessness once got me stuck in a long insurance case. Repetition is the mother of all mastery, and why talent matters far less than the reps you put in. Proximity is power, and why the people around you help decide how far you get. Where focus goes, energy flows, something I even feel when I take a bend on my bike in the Alps. And peak state, and how you can shift it in a snap. Do you find this kind of insight useful? Let me know, because there might be a part two coming. What you'll learn in this episode What pattern recognition is, and how a pattern of carelessness once got Kaat stuck in a long insurance case around the Edward Bertels exhibitionWhy "repetition is the mother of all mastery" and how reps, not talent, make the difference between photographers who keep growing and photographers who get stuckWhat "complexity is the enemy of execution" means, and why you need to break big goals into pieces to actually get them doneWhy "proximity is power" and how the people around you, personally and professionally, help decide how far you getHow "where focus goes, energy flows" works, with a concrete example from cycling about taking a bend downhillWhat a "peak state" is and how you can train it with a simple ten-minute morning exercise Free masterclass, five patterns of successful photographers Which patterns keep showing up in successful photographers? Kaat bundled them into a free online masterclass, based on conversations with dozens of international photographers. Sign up for free. Patagonia workshop In February, Kaat is heading to a remote estancia in Argentinian Patagonia with Dutch photographer Bastiaan Woudt, for a week of photographing, deepening your practice and learning from each other. Eight spots, an intimate group, some are already taken. Full details here. Partner of this episode Cameranu Alongside creativity, you also just need the right tools as a photographer, whether that's a new lens or a camera you can rely on during a client shoot. Camera Nu's specialists think along with you and give you honest advice. Go to cameranu.be and use code DDK10 for 10% off.

  2. Sep 2

    #63 - How to Build a Personal Brand as a Photographer, Step by Step (2026)

    Last time I told you why personal branding matters more than ever. Today I'll show you how to actually approach that, as a photographer, in 2026. I take you through my own path: starting a podcast as long form content, showing myself on my website, writing an about page (without AI, please), and figuring out what truly sets me apart from other photographers. I talk about a photographer I coach one-on-one who has the gift of putting people at ease, and about another who is a storyteller and suppressed that for a long time. I explain why I believe there are too many photographers who don't position themselves, and why a personal brand doesn't need to appeal to everyone to work. And I announce my strategy day: normally 1,500 euros, this week still at 799 euros, with code strategie. What you'll learn in this episode Why long form content, like a podcast or a blog, is the best first step to build your personal brand, and why Insta stories are the opposite of thatWhy an about page on your website builds so much trust with a client, and why you write it yourself instead of letting AI generate itHow to discover what makes you unique, in your image choices, your editing, your client contact, or a gift like putting people at easeWhy photographers who don't know what sets them apart will never reach the right clients, no matter how good their photos areWhy Kaat believes there are too many photographers, and why that's exactly why a personal brand matters so muchHow, like Stefan Vanfleteren and Rinus Van de Velde, you build an entire universe around your work instead of just a webshop, an exhibition or a bookWhy a personal brand doesn't need to appeal to everyone, and why that's exactly the point strategy day This week I'm putting my strategy day in the window, just once: a full day, one-on-one, in Antwerp or Amsterdam, lunch included. You choose the themes we dig into together, from personal branding to your portfolio, your website or your book project. Normally 1,500 euros, through Sunday midnight on September 6th at 799 euros (more than 700 euros off) with code strategie. Link here. partner of the episode CameranuAlongside creativity, photographers simply need the right tools, whether that's a new lens or a camera you can rely on during a client shoot. The specialists at Camera Nu think along with you and give honest advice. Head over to cameranu.be and use code DDK10 for 10% off your next purchase.

  3. Sep 1

    #62 - Personal branding for photographers: Why It Will Matter More Than Ever in 2026

    I’m going to tell you something you might not expect from someone who’s been sharing her personal story in her content for years: I wasn’t really into personal branding myself. For years, I built De Donkere Kamer without ever putting a face to it. In this episode—part 1 of a two-part series—I’ll explain what made me change my mind and why personal branding matters more today than ever before. There’s never been so much content, never so much AI-generated clutter, and an audience that’s both more critical and harder to engage than ever before. I’ll talk about my own boundaries—what I do share and what I never will—about the conversation with my husband Rik that revealed just how much the platform has come to define “me,” and about the photographer who contacted me to travel to Patagonia with him, based purely on a single personal episode. Personal branding doesn’t mean showing off your home or your family. It means making your perspective, your choices, and your taste visible—because that’s the only thing no one can take away from you. What You’ll Learn in This Episode - Why Kaat resisted personal branding for years, and what ultimately changed her mind - Why people today seek trust in a face and a name before they buy, and what that means for you as a photographer - What personal branding is—and isn’t: not a selfie culture, not oversharing, but making your perspective, your choices, and your taste visible - Why photographers so often think their photos should speak for themselves, and why that’s no longer enough today - How Kaat sets her own boundaries in what she shares, and why those boundaries actually provide peace of mind rather than limitation - Why photography, as a medium in crisis, offers so much room to stand out precisely because of that My strategy day This week, I’m offering a one-time special on my strategy day: a full day of one-on-one work where we’ll tackle the topics you want to address, from positioning and personal branding to your portfolio or book concept. Normally 1,500 euros, but this week through Sunday at midnight, it’s 799 euros with the code “strategy.” All info here. Partner of the episode As a photographer, in addition to creativity, you also simply need the right tools—whether that’s a new lens or a camera you can rely on during a client shoot. The specialists at Cameranu work with you to find the best solution and provide honest advice. Visit their site and use code DDK10 for a 10% discount.

  4. Aug 27

    #61 - What a trip to Alpe d'Huez taught me about letting go (and why I didn't quit)

    This summer I set off on my bike from our house in the Auvergne, with Alpe d'Huez as the finish line. Four days, 500 kilometers and roughly 7,500 meters of elevation gain, on my own, from one chambre d'hôte to the next. I did it to cheer on my husband Rik, who climbed the col together with thirty colleagues from Mediafin for Climbing for Life, in support of the Diabetes Liga. In this episode, I take you along. Not as a travel report, but as a mirror. Because everything I ran into along the way, nerve pain in my foot that slowed me down from day one, an Oura ring flagging overtraining, a route I'd misjudged, a thunderstorm on the final climb, is something I recognize one-to-one in what I see every day with the photographers I coach. And in myself, as an entrepreneur. I'll tell you how I dealt with a body that wasn't cooperating, why pushing through is not the same as forcing yourself, how you let go of control without giving up, and why pausing to acknowledge a win matters just as much as the win itself. And I land on my biggest core value: freedom. Do you recognize something of yourself in pushing through when things get hard? Then this episode is for you. Highlights from this episode The starting point: why Kaat cycled to Alpe d'Huez, for Rik and Mediafin's Climbing for LifeDay one: 155 kilometers and over 2,000 meters of elevation gain, nerve pain in her foot, and an Oura ring flagging overtrainingThe decision not to stop, and why "ten kilometers at a time" workedWhy photographers stop too soon, right before the momentum arrives: "reculer pour mieux sauter"A misjudged route to the chambre d'hôte in the Vercors, and why letting go was the only optionThe final climb to Alpe d'Huez, in a thunderstorm, crossing the finish aloneWhat the trip confirmed about freedom as her biggest core value, and why that's the reason Kaat became an entrepreneur Coming to Patagonia? Want to experience that combination of travel, challenge and depth yourself, camera in hand, alongside one of today's most renowned portrait photographers? In February 2027 I'm heading to a remote estancia near El Calafate, Patagonia, together with Bastiaan Woudt. Eight spots, a group that's well matched, and an experience that sends you home different than you arrived. All info at donkerekamer.com/patagonia. Not sure it's for you? Feel free to book a call with Kaat. Partner of this episode CameranuAlongside creativity, photographers simply need the right tools, whether that's a new lens or a camera you can rely on during a client shoot. The specialists at Camera Nu think along with you and give honest advice. Head over here and use code DDK10 for 10% off.

  5. Aug 25

    #60 - Paolo Woods on photography, research and building long-term projects | De Donkere Kamer Podcast

    What do you do when a subject simply isn't photogenic? Paolo Woods, born in The Hague and raised in Florence, built his entire career around that question. From an investigation into the oil industry to a book on tax havens and the five-year project Happy Pills on the pharmaceutical industry, he keeps choosing subjects where his first reaction is "oh no, what am I actually going to photograph here." In this episode, recorded during Les Rencontres d'Arles, Paolo talks about why research is his most important tool, how his mother unknowingly shaped his obsession with text and image, and why he spent four years as artistic director of the photography festival Cortona On The Move. Intro I recorded this episode during Les Rencontres d'Arles, with Paolo Woods: photographer, researcher, and artistic director of Cortona On The Move since 2022. His projects never take the obvious subject. He seeks out exactly the things he first thinks are impossible to photograph. From oil to tax havens to the pharmaceutical industry, he keeps finding a language to make the invisible visible. What you'll learn in this episode Why research is Paolo's most important tool for turning non-photogenic subjects into photographable ones.How he led Cortona On The Move for four years, and why he chose one strong yearly theme instead of "the best of photography."Why a lack of access, as with Federico Vespignani's work on Gaza, can actually produce stronger work.What the five-year project Happy Pills reveals about our obsession with control and happiness.Why, after years of collaboration, he's now working on his first fully personal, solo project. About the guest Paolo Woods was born in The Hague in 1970 to Dutch and Canadian parents, raised in Florence, and later lived in London, Paris, Haiti and Ivory Coast. He started out running a photography gallery in Florence and then built a career around long-term, research-driven projects: from Un Monde de Brutes (2003, on the oil industry) and American Chaos (2004, on the Western intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq), to Chinafrica on China's expansion into Africa, translated into eleven languages and sold more than 40,000 copies. That was followed by Veil On My Eyes on Iran, The Havens on tax havens (named one of the best photo books of 2015), and Happy Pills, a five-year project on the pharmaceutical industry that grew into a book, a touring exhibition and his first film. Since 2022 he has been artistic director of Cortona On The Move. His work has appeared in eight books and in The New York Times, Le Monde and The Guardian, with exhibitions from the US to China, and he has won two World Press Photo awards. Links and resources Paolo Woods, websiteCortona On The MoveLes Rencontres d'ArlesPrevious episode with Kira Pollack (on AI and photojournalism): #267 on De Donkere Kamer Our partner: Cameranu This episode is brought to you in part by Cameranu. For your own photography gear, whether it's a new lens or a camera you can rely on during a client shoot, their specialists think along with you and give honest advice. As a listener of De Donkere Kamer, you get 10% off your next purchase with code DDK10 Free webinar What growing photographers consistently do differently from everyone else: that's the subject of a free webinar, based on patterns Kaat has seen over the years in top photographers through this podcast, in masterclasses and in 1:1 mentoring. Five things, and how to apply them in your own way. Sign up here Masterclasses Every month, De Donkere Kamer organizes an online masterclass with an international top photographer. August 27, 4:00 PM – Ebrahim Alipour (Iranian documentary photographer and World Press Photo winner) on how to build a project without budget, without access, and without a network.Coming up – Magnum photographer Peter van Agtmael, topic to be announced.You can join live or buy the replay for a small additional fee. All the info here

    #60 - Paolo Woods on photography, research and building long-term projects | De Donkere Kamer Podcast
  6. Aug 20

    #59 - Why that restlessness during your holiday has nothing to do with summer

    Do you feel restless the moment you go on holiday, while your business simply quiets down? In this solo episode, Kaat walks you through the difference between taking rest and actually experiencing it, and explains why a summer income gap is rarely a coincidence. She shares how she finds rest herself, not by sitting still, but by staying in motion, why the classic work-life balance doesn't work for her, and which questions you can ask yourself to figure out what your ideal holiday actually looks like. From there, she dives into revenue planning: how to calculate in advance what buffer you need for your holiday weeks, how to make your photography practice scalable, and why entrepreneurship runs in seasons. She closes with a personal message about belief: what you believe about yourself and your craft eventually becomes your reality. An episode for every photographer who wants more rest this summer, and no more surprise income gaps next year. What you'll learn in this episode What rest means to Kaat personally, and why she doesn't believe in a classic work-life balanceWhich questions you can ask yourself to figure out what your ideal holiday looks likeHow to build a revenue plan so holiday weeks stop causing panicThe difference between an action plan and loose actions like "posting more on Instagram"How to make your photography practice scalable through recurring revenueWhy your beliefs help shape what you actually achieve in your business The Daily Frame – Kaat's summer podcast series, 28 days with 21 short episodes, made to keep photographers moving and creative throughout the summer. €10. Link in the show notes. Our podcast partner! CameranuFor honest advice on lenses and cameras you can rely on during a client shoot. Go to cameranu.be and use code DDK10 for 10% off. Ready to work on your photography or your business? At donkerekamer.com you'll find everything about mentoring, masterclasses and workshops. 1:1 mentoring: donkerekamer.com/mentorMasterclasses: donkerekamer.com/masterclasses

  7. Aug 18

    #58 - From Magnum Photos to the Banlieue: William Keo on building bridges through photography

    Recorded live at Les Rencontres d'Arles, this episode brings you into conversation with World Press Photo winner William Keo, a French photographer born into a family of Cambodian refugees. His work has taken him from NGO assignments in a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon and the Syrian refugee crisis, to conflict zones in Iraq, Syria, Ukraine and Israel/Palestine, and eventually into Magnum Photos, where he was represented from 2021 to 2024. William talks openly about being an introvert in an industry that rewards extroversion, about the years he spent testing his own limits as a young photojournalist, and about the project closest to his heart: Extra Muros, a deeply personal document of the French banlieue where he grew up. For this project, he received this year's World Press Photo Award. Together, Kaat and William talk about resilience, why photographers are terrible at editing their own work, why he believes a photo book outlasts everything else, and what it takes to build bridges between your images and the people who will never walk into a gallery. What you'll learn in this episode How William turned a low social battery and years of shyness into a way of connecting quickly and honestly with the people he photographs.Why he believes photographers are among the worst editors of their own work, and how an outside eye (Peter van Agtmael among others) reshaped the edit of his portfolio.What three years inside Magnum Photos taught him about identity as a photographer, and why he chose not to pursue full membership.How Extra Muros grew from small chapters shot among friends and neighbours into a World Press Photo-winning body of work about the French banlieue.Why he's convinced a photo book, not an exhibition or a magazine cover, is what actually resists through time. About the guest William Keo (b. 1996, Paris) is a French photographer born into a family of Cambodian refugees. His work explores migration, social exclusion and intercommunity intolerance. He began his career working for NGOs, covering the Syrian refugee crisis, the conflict in Darfur, migration in Europe and the Rohingya humanitarian crisis, before turning to the cycles of violence following the fall of ISIS in Iraq and Syria, and international news including the war in Ukraine and the conflict in Israel and Palestine. He was represented by Magnum Photos from 2021 to 2024. His work has been published in The New York Times, National Geographic, Le Monde, Libération, Vogue and New York Magazine. For his ongoing personal project Extra Muros, documenting the lives of marginalised descendants of post-colonial immigrants in the French banlieue, he received a World Press Photo Award this year. William Keo, website World Press Photo, website MasterclassesWant more input like this? Join our online masterclasses with international top photographers. Next up: Iranian documentary photographer Ebrahim Alipoor on August 27 at 4 PM, on how to plan a project without budget, access or a network. After that, an in-depth class with Pieter van Agtmael. Join live or get the replay for a small additional fee. All info at here Free webinarAfter years of working with top photographers through this podcast, in masterclasses and in 1:1 mentoring, Kaat noticed a clear pattern: the photographers who keep growing all do a handful of things remarkably consistently. In a free webinar, she walks you through those five things and shows you how to apply them in your own way. It's free, and full of insight. Sign up Partner: CameraNUThis episode is supported by CameraNU. Need honest advice on your next lens, or a camera you can rely on during a client shoot? Their specialists think along with you. As a De Donkere Kamer listener, you get 10% off your next purchase with code DDK10 at cameranu.be. If you want to work on your own photography or your business, check out donkerekamer.com. That is where you'll find everything about mentoring, masterclasses and workshops.

    #58 - From Magnum Photos to the Banlieue: William Keo on building bridges through photography
  8. Aug 13

    #57 - What a week at the end of the world does to your photography, your business and the way you see

    What happens when a photographer who's never taught before finally says yes? In this episode, Kaat takes you to Estancia El Condor, 40,000 hectares of untouched land at the foot of the Andes, where in February 2027 she's hosting, together with Dutch photographer Bastiaan Woudt, his very first workshop. Eight spots, one estancia, no phone signal, and a photographer whose work hangs in the Rijksmuseum and the Getty Museum. Kaat talks about the two trips she's already made to this place herself, about the condors with a four-meter wingspan, about why it took her years to convince Bastiaan, and about what happens to the way you see when you're cut off from the world for a week. She also shares what this means for your photography at a time when more images are generated than could ever actually be photographed. An episode for anyone wondering if this is the year to go somewhere almost nobody goes. Bastiaan Woudt has never taught a workshop before. Until now. In this episode, Kaat talks about the very first workshop by this renowned black-and-white photographer, held at an estancia in Patagonia so remote there's no phone signal. Eight spots, a week without distraction, and everything that does to your photography and the way you see. This episode is a personal update on the brand-new photography workshop to Argentine Patagonia that Kaat is hosting in February 2027, together with photographer Bastiaan Woudt. It's the first time Bastiaan has ever opened up his process to a group, and Kaat explains why this place, this photographer, and this moment come together. Why Bastiaan Woudt said no for years, and what finally changed his mind.What makes Estancia El Condor so special: 40,000 hectares, condors with a four-meter wingspan, and zero phone signal.How a week without distraction changes your photography and the way you see.What to actually expect from the workshop, from the daily reviews to the day on horseback.How admission works, what it costs, and how to apply. Bastiaan Woudt is a self-taught Dutch photographer known for his distinctive black-and-white portraits. He shoots for, among others, British Vogue and Harper's Bazaar, and his work is held in the collections of the Rijksmuseum and the J. Paul Getty Museum. You can hear more about him and how he works in episode #248 of the De Donkere Kamer Podcast (Dutch-language). Apply for the workshop (portfolio required)Episode #248, the full conversation with Bastiaan Woudt in DutchBastiaan Woudt, website/portfolioFollow Kaat on Instagram for updates from the estancia: @dedonkerekamer.com_beThe Daily Frame, summer seriesQuestions about the workshop: info@donkerekamer.comCameranu: supplies the gear for the video and visual side of the podcast with the code DDK10 10 off

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De Donkere Kamer is the podcast for photographers who want to grow, behind the camera and in their business. Twice a week, host and photographer Kaat Celis shares a new episode: one solo conversation with her own reflections on creativity and craft, and one in-depth interview with respected names in international photography, including Anton Corbijn, Christopher Anderson, David Campany, and Harry Gruyaert. Together, these conversations explore what it takes to keep growing as a photographer, creatively and in business. New episodes every week. donkerekamer.com