De Donkere Kamer (English)

Kaat Celis

De Donkere Kamer is the podcast for photographers who want to grow, behind the camera and in their business. Twice a week, host and photographer Kaat Celis shares a new episode: one solo conversation with her own reflections on creativity and craft, and one in-depth interview with respected names in international photography, including Anton Corbijn, Christopher Anderson, David Campany, and Harry Gruyaert. Together, these conversations explore what it takes to keep growing as a photographer, creatively and in business. New episodes every week. donkerekamer.com

  1. 9h ago

    #74 - From chocolate factory to World Press Photo: How Cesar Rodriguez became a photographer at 30

    At Museum Hilversum I sat down with Mexican photographer Cesar Rodriguez, who won a World Press Photo award this year with his long-term series on climate change in Mexico. He submitted it on the last day, pays for most of his personal work with his own assignment fees, and only picked up a camera at 32. We talk about cold emails, editors who forget you exist, and why there's no rush to publish. What you'll learn in this episode How a single Red Cross assignment on sea erosion grew into a six-year, largely self-funded project on climate change in Mexico, and why Cesar starts projects without a fixed end goalHow he pays for personal work by combining it with editorial assignments, adding a few extra days on location once the client has covered the plane ticketHow cold emails, the Eddie Adams Workshop and simply reminding editors that he exists led to steady work with The New York Times, Bloomberg and The Washington PostWhy he trusts one editor (Musuk Nolte) with all three of his photobooks, and how he deals with too many opinions on his editWhy he stepped back from posting on Instagram, and why he thinks stories need time before they go out into the world See the exhibition: World Press Photo at Museum Hilversum We recorded this conversation at Museum Hilversum, the day after the World Press Photo Exhibition 2026 opened there. You can see Cesar's winning series on climate change in Mexico in the exhibition, together with the other winning stories and photos of this year's contest, until November 29. The museum is open every day from 11:00 to 17:00, so there's no excuse not to go. Exhibition info: worldpressphoto.org/calendar/2026/hilversum-the-netherlandsMuseum Hilversum: museumhilversum.nlWorld Press Photo: worldpressphoto.orgCesar Rodriguez: https://cesarrodriguezb.com/ Free webinar Want to know what the photographers who keep growing actually do differently? In a free webinar, I walk you through the five patterns I see consistently, in this podcast, in masterclasses and in my one-on-one mentoring, and how you can apply them yourself. Sign up here: donkerekamer.com/webinar. Partner of this episode CameranuAs a photographer you need more than creativity. You also need the right tools, whether that's a new lens or a camera you can rely on during a client shoot. The specialists at Cameranu think along with you and give you honest advice. Go to cameranu.be and use code DDK10 for 10% off your next purchase.

    #74 - From chocolate factory to World Press Photo: How Cesar Rodriguez became a photographer at 30
  2. Oct 22

    #73 - Organising a photography event: what photographers can learn from a sold-out show

    The Amsterdam show was sold out, but only on the very last day. In this episode Kaat gives an honest look at what goes into filling a room, and what you as a photographer can take from it for your own book, exhibition or project: keep looking for what you can do, and know who you're doing it for. What you'll learn in this episode Why people need more touchpoints today before they buy a ticket (or a book, or a print), even when what you offer is really goodWhy you can't rely on the press anymore, and why you need to find your own ways to promote your workHow to speak to a broad audience without jargon and without getting too technicalWhy every space and every audience asks for a different approach, and how to think about your own means in each situationHow an ideal client (an avatar with a name and a personality) helps you choose the right visuals, reels and wordsWhy small, almost invisible changes pay off more over time than one radical overhaul Next stop: show at C-Mine GenkOn November 28th, De Donkere Kamer comes to C-Mine in Genk, Belgium. On stage: Nadav Kander, Michiel Hendryckx on beauty in resistance, Noortje Palmers with La Vie en Rose about homeless people in Antwerp, Pie Aerts with Coirón about the puesteros of Chilean Patagonia, Marieke van der Velde with the image column, a curator (more news soon) and three pitchers (you can submit your project here) Note that most of the evening is in Dutch. Coming with a group of more than ten? You pay half price. Tickets here. Partner of this episode Cameranu As a photographer you need more than creativity. You also need the right tools, whether that's a new lens or a camera you can rely on during a client shoot. The specialists at Cameranu think along with you and give you honest advice. As a listener of De Donkere Kamer, you get 10% off your next purchase with code DDK10 at cameranu.be.

  3. Oct 13

    #72 - Being present as a photographer: how to find calm in a busy photography practice

    For years Kaat was a pro at racing ahead: after a successful show, her head was already at the next one. During her conversation with photographer Eva Verbeeck she heard a sentence that stuck with her: "We're here now." In this short episode she shares why that sentence brings so much calm, even in a busy photography practice. What you'll learn in this episode Why good planning can actually give you freedom, even when freedom is your biggest core valueThe sentence Eva Verbeeck says to herself, and why so many ambitious photographers will recognize themselves in itHow to feel in your body what it does when you say "we're here now" out loudWhy always being busy with the next thing can take away your sense of prideHow to apply this in challenging times, when your photography practice keeps asking for new solutions CTA: show October 16th On October 16th, De Donkere Kamer is at Pakhuis de Zwijger in Amsterdam with a full evening about photography, by photographers. With Nadav Kander (The Edge of Things), Bieke Depoorter (The Beds I Slept In), Wilfried de Jong, Robin de Puy, Iris Sikking on the exhibition of Eva Besnyö, a visual column by Marieke van der Velden, and pitches by promising photographers. Tickets at donkerekamer.com/tickets. Partner of this episode Cameranu As a photographer you need more than creativity. You also need the right tools, whether that's a new lens or a camera you can rely on during a client shoot. The specialists at Cameranu think along with you and give you honest advice. As a listener of De Donkere Kamer, you get 10% off your next purchase with code DDK10 at cameranu.be.

  4. Oct 6

    #71 - Staying flexible as a photographer: how to adapt your photography business to a changing market

    Photography has always been a medium in flux, from digital cameras to the smartphone and now AI. In this episode, Kaat talks about an established photographer who sees his print sales declining and still doesn't freeze up. She also shares the question she asks herself after every setback: what is possible? What you'll learn in this episode Why the question "what is possible?" changes your energy, and how to learn to switch within six seconds after a noWhy you need to know your numbers, so you can adjust before declining sales become dramaticHow you can use AI to free up time for your creativity, with the necessary caution around copyright and imagesWhy clinging to what worked five years ago can cost you your grip, your revenue and your clientsThe attitude Kaat sees in photographers who last: willingness, commitment and consistency VIP review session Do you notice your photography business is changing, and do you want to adjust course before it gets dramatic? In a VIP review session you spend 180 minutes online with Kaat. Together you dig into your work and your business model, and you leave with a concrete plan. More info here Show October 16th, Amsterdam  On October 16th, De Donkere Kamer comes to Pakhuis de Zwijger in Amsterdam, with Nadav Kander (exhibition The Edge of Things at Foam), Bieke Depoorter (new book The Beds I Slept In), Robin de Puy and Wilfried de Jong (first photobook Polaroid Man). Three promising photographers pitch their project live, Marieke van de Velde presents the image column, and Iris Sikking from the Fotomuseum Den Haag talks about the Eva Besnyö exhibition. ⁠Get your here Partner of this episode Cameranu As a photographer you need more than creativity. You also need the right tools, whether that's a new lens or a camera you can rely on during a client shoot. The specialists at Cameranu think along with you and give you honest advice. As a listener of De Donkere Kamer, you get 10% off your next purchase with code DDK10 at ⁠cameranu.be⁠.

  5. Oct 3

    #70 - What if it's already good enough?

    How much of your energy do you give away to what others think of you? In this episode, Kaat shares why she started taking her own stage, why copying slows down your growth, and what a mentoring client with a corporate background taught her about the fear of not being good enough. Plus an exercise you can start today. What you'll learn in this episode Why Kaat stopped giving away her stage and became the face of De Donkere Kamer herself, and what it takes to show your true colours Why being yourself in your photography feels so much scarier than leading a company: criticism of your work feels like criticism of who you are The difference between modelling and copying, and why what works for someone else doesn't have to work for you How to stop giving your power away to other people's opinions, and why it has to be good enough for you first A concrete exercise for photographers short on time: a daily walk with your camera as a fixed, non-negotiable moment One-on-one mentoring Do you recognise yourself in the photographer from this episode, who wants to be himself in his work but is afraid of not being found good enough? In Kaat's one-on-one mentoring, you work on your photography and your practice for six months, with someone who looks along with you, is honest, and helps you dare to show your own visual language. You start with a personal kick-off in Antwerp or Amsterdam. More info here. Show October 16th, Amsterdam  On October 16th, De Donkere Kamer comes to Pakhuis de Zwijger in Amsterdam, with Nadav Kander (exhibition The Edge of Things at Foam), Bieke Depoorter (new book The Beds I Slept In), Robin de Puy and Wilfried de Jong (first photobook Polaroid Man). Three promising photographers pitch their project live, Marieke van de Velde presents the image column, and Iris Sikking from the Fotomuseum Den Haag talks about the Eva Besnyö exhibition. Get your here

  6. Sep 26

    #69 - From Belgium to 28 American States: Eva Verbeeck on the dream behind America's Girls

    What happens when a girl from a small Belgian village chases her American dream, and then spends six years listening to the dreams of American girls? My guest today is Belgian photographer and filmmaker Eva Verbeeck. She had visited more than 45 countries before she turned 25, lived in the US for many years and now works from Amsterdam. Her portraits have appeared in Le Monde, National Geographic, The Washington Post, Der Spiegel and The Telegraph. We recorded this conversation at CC De Factorij in Zaventem, days before her exhibition America's Girls opened there. Eva photographed close to 400 girls and young women aged 6 to 18 in 28 states, always with a large format camera and never more than two negatives per girl. We talk about the claustrophobic feeling of growing up in a small town, why a war photographer's advice made her turn to a story of her own, why she chose not to publish the girls' personal stories next to their portraits, and why she cried at the printing press in Italy. She also shares how she deals with the loneliness of photography, why she chooses film over photography (or the other way around), and why she stays hopeful about the medium in times of AI. What you'll learn in this episode How a teenage dream in Tessenderlo, fed by magazine collages and pop culture, grew into a six-year project in the United States Why the advice "tell a story that is of yours" made Eva step away from heavy photojournalistic assignments and turn to her own fascination How she worked with a large format camera: self-selected participants, no Polaroids, and a strict rule of two negatives per girl Why she chose to keep the girls' written and spoken stories private, and how that choice created a safe space for them to speak openly What photography can do that film cannot, and why she still chooses to be hopeful about the medium in a time of AI Free webinar Want to know what the photographers who keep growing actually do differently? In a free webinar, I walk you through the five patterns I see again and again, in this podcast, in masterclasses and in my one-on-one mentoring, and how you can apply them in your own way. Sign up for free here: donkerekamer.com/five Live show: De Donkere Kamer on stage in Amsterdam On October 16, De Donkere Kamer goes on stage at Pakhuis de Zwijger in Amsterdam. We'll talk with Nadav Kander, who just opened his new show at Foam, Magnum photographer Bieke Depoorter and portrait photographer Robin de Puy, who has been photographing the US for many years. Wilfried de Jong stops by to talk about his Polaroid book, and as always, three promising photographers pitch their projects to the audience (in English too). Get your tickets here. Partner of this episode Cameranu As a photographer you need more than creativity. You also need the right tools, whether that's a new lens or a camera you can rely on during a client shoot. The specialists at Cameranu think along with you and give you honest advice. As a listener of De Donkere Kamer, you get 10% off your next purchase with code DDK10 at cameranu.be. Links and resources Free webinar (5 patterns of photographers who keep growing): donkerekamer.com/five Live show, October 16, Pakhuis de Zwijger Amsterdam: donkerekamer.com/shows Mentoring, masterclasses and workshops: donkerekamer.com Cameranu: cameranu.be (code DDK10) Eva Verbeeck: evaverbeeck.com Book: America's Girls, On the Edge of a Dream (GOST Books): gostbooks.com Exhibition at CC De Factorij, Zaventem

    #69 - From Belgium to 28 American States: Eva Verbeeck on the dream behind America's Girls
  7. Sep 23

    #68 - Intuition in photography: lessons from Peter van Agtmael and Bastiaan Woudt

    If intuition is so central to photography, why do we give it so little room? That question stayed with me after my masterclass with Magnum photographer Peter van Agtmael, in which he called intuition the core of his work. In this episode I look at what intuition is for a photographer, what drowns it out, and how you can call it up. I talk honestly about how I slip into autopilot during podcast interviews myself, and what happens when I let go of my preparation. I share what a photographer from Antwerp told me during a review: things are going well, the assignments keep coming in, and yet so much of it is autopilot. From there I take you to Estancia El Condor in Patagonia, a five-hour drive from civilization, where I've been twice and came home different each time. I talk about the gauchos, about seven condors circling above our heads, and about Bastiaan Woudt, who, just like Peter, works from looking, feeling and letting it happen. Workshop in Patagonia with Bastiaan Woudt (February 13 to 20, 2027): more infoQuestions, or want to spar about it? Send me a DM or email info@donkerekamer.com Replay of the Peter van Agtmael masterclass: sign up hereMy episode with Bastiaan Woudt (in Dutch): listen here Partner of this episodeCameranuBesides creativity, as a photographer you also simply need the right tools, whether that's a new lens or a camera you can rely on during a client shoot. The specialists at Cameranu think along with you and give honest advice. Go to cameranu.be and use code DDK10 for 10% off. More on mentoring, masterclasses and workshops, go to What you'll learn in this episode What intuition really is: accumulated experience that works faster than your thinking, which is why you can only explain afterwards why an image worksWhat drowns out intuition, from your smartphone and inbox to other people's feeds, and why you then mostly end up making what you already knowWhat autopilot looks like in Kaat's own interviews, and why the conversations in which she lets go of her preparation are the best onesWhy you have to install silence in your head yourself, because society won't hand it to youWhat Peter van Agtmael and Bastiaan Woudt, from two very different worlds, have in common in the way they workWhy intuitive photography matters more now that a growing share of images were never actually photographedA reflection question to work with yourself: where in your life can you tap into your intuition more easily?

  8. Sep 17

    #67 - Live from Arles: Harry Gruyaert on the love affair with photography that never ends

    My guest today is one of the first photographers in Europe to work entirely in color, and the first guest to return to this podcast for a second time. Harry Gruyaert once dreamed of becoming a film director, until pop art and a trip to Morocco in the late 1970s pulled him toward photography instead. He has been a member of Magnum Photos since 1982 and has photographed the United States, Morocco, Europe, India and his own country, Belgium, in books including Made in Belgium and Roots. We recorded this conversation at Hotel du Forum in Arles, where he has been coming for more than forty years, with his daughters and his seven-year-old grandson Elio close by. Harry is currently showing Sense of Place at Les Rencontres d'Arles, alongside a new book, and a second, more retrospective exhibition is running at Camera in Turin. We talk about what it means to stay excited about a place you already know, why he calls photography a love affair with its own ups and downs, and why the pictures he missed, a scene he saw without a camera, a roll he shot with no film in it, still stay with him decades later. He tells me about the printing process he shares with his assistant Albin, why he moved from Kodachrome to digital, discovering jazz at the 1958 Brussels World's Fair, and why he still calls himself a professional rather than an artist. We also talk about the coincidences that keep finding him, from Bieke Depoorter to Saul Leiter, and about the trust he puts in instinct over words. What you'll learn in this episode Why Harry finds it harder to stay excited about a place the longer he knows it, and how he keeps rediscovering Morocco, India, New York and Belgium after decades of returningWhy he insists he is a professional and a craftsman, not an artist, even after more than forty years as a Magnum memberHow the printing process with his assistant Albin, and the recent switch from Canson to Hahnemühle paper, is as much a part of the work as taking the pictureWhy the photographs he missed, one because he had no camera, one because there was no film in it, still matter more to him than most of the ones he actually gotWhy he calls himself "a kind of pickpocket" who works entirely on instinct, and how that shapes the way he moves through a city or a crowdWhat "sense of place" actually means to him, and why he keeps coming back to the idea that a photograph should say as much about a place and a time as it does about compositionWhy he believes being European, rather than American or exclusively French, has shaped the way he sees and travels Free webinarWant to know what the photographers who keep growing actually do differently? In a free webinar, I walk you through the five patterns I see consistently in this podcast, in masterclasses and in my one-on-one mentoring, and how you can apply them yourself. Sign up here Live show: De Donkere Kamer on stage in Amsterdam On October 16, De Donkere Kamer goes on stage at Pakhuis de Zwijger in Amsterdam, in conversation with, among others, portrait photographer Nadav Kander. Tickets are 20 euros, so cost shouldn't be what holds you back. Get yours here. Partner of this episodeAlongside creativity, photographers simply need the right tools, whether that's a new lens or a camera you can rely on during a client shoot. The specialists at Camera Nu think along with you and give honest advice. Head over to cameranu.be and use code DDK10 for 10% off your next purchase. Links and resources Free webinar (5 patterns of photographers who keep growing): donkerekamer.com/webinarLive show, October 16, Pakhuis de Zwijger Amsterdam, with Nadav Kander: donkerekamer.com/showsAll info on mentoring, masterclasses and workshops: donkerekamer.comCameranu: cameranu.be (code DDK10)Harry Gruyaert's first appearance on the podcast, episode #177: hereSense of Place at Les Rencontres d'Arles: Harry Gruyaert retrospective at Camera, Turin: Harry Gruyaert at Gallery FIFTY ONE.

    #67 - Live from Arles: Harry Gruyaert on the love affair with photography that never ends

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De Donkere Kamer is the podcast for photographers who want to grow, behind the camera and in their business. Twice a week, host and photographer Kaat Celis shares a new episode: one solo conversation with her own reflections on creativity and craft, and one in-depth interview with respected names in international photography, including Anton Corbijn, Christopher Anderson, David Campany, and Harry Gruyaert. Together, these conversations explore what it takes to keep growing as a photographer, creatively and in business. New episodes every week. donkerekamer.com

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