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The Overdrive Radio podcast is produced by Overdrive magazine, the Voice of the American Trucker for 60-plus years. Host Todd Dills -- with a supporting cast among Overdrive editors, contributors and others -- presents owner-operator business leading lights, interviews with extraordinary independent truckers and small fleet owners, and plenty in the way of trucking business and regulatory news and views. Access an archive of all episodes of Overdrive Radio going back more than a decade via this link: http://overdriveonline.com/overdrive-radio

  1. FMCSA's non-domiciled CDL rule: Meet the owner-operator at the heart of the case against it

    5D AGO

    FMCSA's non-domiciled CDL rule: Meet the owner-operator at the heart of the case against it

    "There's a lot of loopholes in a lot of places, systematically, but they're blaming the driver for everything." --owner-operator Jorge Rivera Lujan, about the federal non-domiciled CDL rule changes and what he feels is misplaced curtailment of credentialing, and similarly misplaced public attitudes toward non-citizen CDL holders Off the top of this week's edition of Overdrive Radio, an introduction to Utah-headquartered one-truck independent owner-operator Jorge Rivera Lujan. As hinted at in the quote above, he speaks to views of flaws in the FMCSA's September Interim Final Rule that would (and already has in some ways) severely restrict non-domiciled CDL issuance to a variety of classes of non-U.S. citizens. Those include asylum seekers in immigration limbo and many others. The rule seeks to cut off access to a CDL even for folks like him. Rivera Lujan's a recipient of the protections offered by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program since near the time it became policy in 2012, as you’ll hear. If the owner-operator's name sounds familiar, that’s because he is the named plaintiff in the title of the court challenge to the non-domiciled rule, filed shortly after he and many other non-domiciled CDL holders realized that under the terms of the rule, they wouldn’t be able to renew their licenses or get another kind of CDL to continue their work. In his case, it was a direct threat to work and business he's done now for more than a decade. Rivera Lujan has been in the U.S. since he was brought here at pre-school age by his parents. The owner-operator’s younger brother is in trucking, too, with a small fleet now that’s a separate businesss. The younger brother enjoys a key difference from Rivera Lujan -- the brother was born here, and is thus a U.S. citizen. Aside from some side non-trucking business, Rivera Lujan fundamentally is like so many among Overdrive's principal owner-operator readers with motor carrier authority. "I have one truck, and I have some direct customers," he said, "because who says you have to use brokers all the time?" Jorge Rivera Lujan’s in agreement with many around trucking that the English proficiency standards should be enforced, yet he feels in the wider public's imagination ELP problems are blamed on the non-domiciled CDL as if they are one in the same. He feels that too many are painting non-domiciled CDL holders in the country today with a too-broad brush. Are there problems with many such CDL holders’ licenses extending beyond their legal stay in the country? Sure, as has been readily demonstrated. Do non-domiciled CDL holders exist who shouldn’t be hauling over-the-road because their English skills aren't sufficient for safe operation or for other reasons? Again, sure, but one might say the same about plenty native-born citizens with CDLs who could use a lot of additional training, he feels. Fundamentally he feels it's not sufficient reason to curtail most non-domiciled CDL issuance, and too many seem willing to just throw long-term U.S. residents like him and plenty other documented visitors -- who pay taxes, who have legal presence and in his case have built businesses over many years -- under the proverbial bus. He has a lot to say generally about immigration, about his own path toward as-yet-unrealized citizenship, and the trucking markets writ large post-COVID. Likewise: where he feels regulators might best focus their attention when it comes to credentialing -- rather than dropping bombs on the very end of the CDL-issuance food chain: the driver. So far, the federal court seems to agree. As mentioned in the podcast: **N.C. put on notice by FMCSA for non-domiciled CDL problems: https://www.overdriveonline.com/15814284 **Jorge Rivera Lujan v. FMCSA contends non-domiciled rule unlawful: https://www.overdriveonline.com/15769818 **Further reading via this Overdrive Radio post: https://overdriveonline.com/15816105

    51 min
  2. Credit's where it's due: Trucker of the Year builds biz to sustain, pays it forward

    JAN 27

    Credit's where it's due: Trucker of the Year builds biz to sustain, pays it forward

    A round of applause is due for Overdrive’s 2025 Trucker of the Year, selected from a field of 10 semi-finalist Trucker of the Month honorees, then three finalists. Off the top, one of the freight partners of the winning independent lauded the owner-operator for core strengths of the owner in her day-to-day work he does for a dedicated customer of the brokerage and small fleet Rankin & Sons. "I can't think of anyone who deserves it as much as he does," said Jeanna Bean of the winner, Overdrive 2025 Trucker of the Year John Penn. We also spoke with a close associate of Penn, Schneider-leased owner-operator Kevin O’Sullivan of Arizona, who recognized the real strength of the competitive field of all of our 2025 Truckers of the Month, especially the two fellow finalists. "There was a lot of good competition," said O'Sullivan. "He came out on top, and I'm glad he did. That man is a wealth of knowledge and, everything he's learned the good and bad, he's definitely not afraid to put it out there and help other people." If you followed the 2025 competition, you'll remember owner-operator John Penn's story, competition judges in the final round praising Penn for qualities shared by his fellow finalists – drive, clear focus on long-term business stability, mechanical aptitude, and so much more: https://www.overdriveonline.com/15770500 What may well set him apart, though, is all he’s done to take advantage of what contemporary engines and drivetrains can help deliver -- maximum fuel economy, with Penn hovering near and occasionally above 11 miles per gallon routinely in his 2019 Freightliner Cascadia. It shows in his one-truck business’s very-low operating ratio. Penn hauls LTL furniture with own authority as JP Transport, those outbound dedicated runs for the Rankin & Sons broker’s customer, whom he treats like his own. He's hard at work taking advantage of return-load opportunities coming back toward home in Orleans, which you'll hear more about in a follow-up Overdrive Radio edition. In this episode, John Penn gives credit where credit's due, telling the stories of the men who mentored him early in trucking, the woman who's been with him every step of the way, and others who inspire him today -- including competitors Ron Kelsey and Jason Shelly. "I was shocked, first of all, honored," Penn said of learning of the win, particularly alongside Kelsey and Shelly. Both owners are, simply put, "the top of the heap." Read about both Ron Kelsey and Jason Shelly here: https://www.overdriveonline.com/15774237 And know that Penn’s a pretty modest guy -- his business is pretty special in its own right likewise his willingness to share what he’s learning with others in an ongoing dialog about just what can be done -- long as it makes sense from a biz perspective. As O’Sullivan put it at a certain point in our conversation, referencing Penn’s fuel-mileage excellence in particular, "he's certainly set the bar high for the rest of us." O'Sullivan offered three words to describe his friend, mentor and potential future busines partner: Informative, genuine, down-to-earth, qualities that underpin Penn’s two-decade odyssey to stability and profit with authority. With the win come a new Bostrom seat from the program sponsor, likewise a scale-model version of his aerodynamic 2019 Freightliner Cascadia by Eston Hoffman of Hoffman Mechanical Design. Plenty bragging rights, too, for the time to come. In the podcast, Penn tells his story with appreciation for the people who’ve been there setting him straight on the course to success, giving credit where credit's due. Enter your own or another owner-operator business you admire for the 2026 competition: https://overdriveonline.com/toptrucker

    27 min
  3. What we mean when we say 'freight fraud': Ways to defend trucking against the hydra-headed monster

    JAN 20

    What we mean when we say 'freight fraud': Ways to defend trucking against the hydra-headed monster

    "These are very entrepreneurial people, and very smart. And at this level, it's a business." --Wex Fleet One's William Fitzgerald Of the top of this Overdrive Radio episode, Fitzgerald, over the Wex company’s anti-crime efforts, made reference to just how organized the rings perpetrating a variety of scams all around the trucking industry have gotten. And the money involved -- money you want to keep, whether it’s a piece of freight transaction with a broker, money in your business accounts used to fraudulently buy fuel or steal freight, or one of the many other flavors of fraud you’ll hear touched on in this week's podcast. At the annual National Association of Small Trucking Companies conference, a panel convened to offer perspectives on crime, aimed at answering the question of just what we mean when we talk about "freight fraud." Too often, leaders around the industry and regulatory bodies tend to lump all manner of crimes in that bucket. We saw it to an extent again with news last week about the Department of Transportation’s intent to utilize AI tools against it: https://www.overdriveonline.com/15814889 Overdrive Executive Editor Alex Lockie's report there delved into ways experts believe automated systems could be used for recognition of bad actors, yet specifics in DOT Deputy Secretary Steven Brabury's talk were few and far between. (Keep tuned for follow-ups as Lockie keeps ears to the ground for federal responses to follow-up questions sent to DOT.) For NASTC President David Owen, It was one woman’s work around an old but ever-evolving issue -- that of "reincarnated" or "chameleon" carriers gaining authority over and over and over to outrun safety-record issues -- that got him thinking more closely about how the association might help small carriers of all stripes with education about and mitigation of all manner of frauds. Owen brought writer and researcher Danielle Chaffin into NASTC as Senior Sales Engineer following work mapping out numerous authorized entities she could link to each other in the registration system, as others like Dale Prax have done. She could see fairly simple, she felt, patterns of misrepresentation bad actors utilize. In enforcing the rules against such entities, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration seems to date reactive. A crash happens, FMCSA sees the employing carrier has reincarnated once or multiple times, and shuts them down. That seemed to be the case after the triple-fatal crash of Harjinder Singh. FMCSA shut down his employing carrier soon after that crash came to light: https://www.overdriveonline.com/15753590 If enforcement efforts could recognize a chameleon-type operation before such a disastrous event could even occur, though, would certainly be welcomed by most legit trucking companies. It's heartening to see DOT leaders at least paying lip service to putting systems in place to help. With the most high-profile crashes, for all the focus on CDL drivers behind the wheel, non-domiciled or not, all are employed somewhere. There's no shortage of analysis concluding many such employers are running around the normal hoops through which good carriers small, large and in between must jump to stay within the bounds of the rules to sustain real, legitimate business. Chameleon-type operations represent but one of the myriad types of frauds perpetrated on legitimate truckers and the American public. Panelists run through a variety of schemes and ways to tackle them head-on: Resources: **Cargo theft prevention: https://overdriveonline.com/15769312 **Recognizing double brokers, vetting systems: https://www.overdriveonline.com/15707529 **Identity theft: https://www.overdriveonline.com/15708218 **Wex's William Fitzgerald's fuel-fraud talk: https://www.overdriveonline.com/15772651 **'Cyber hygiene' and social-engineering hacks: https://www.overdriveonline.com/15755615

    34 min
  4. Plan for better business, take two: Kevin Rutherford/NASTC's ROTC for one-truck owner-ops

    JAN 12

    Plan for better business, take two: Kevin Rutherford/NASTC's ROTC for one-truck owner-ops

    Off the top of this week's Overdrive Radio, Kevin Rutherford recalls his first time on a stage speaking to a roomful of owner-operators, back in 1999 at the Mid-America Trucking Show as part of Overdrive's Partners in Business seminar series at the time. The first question he asked the room was for a show of hands among those who had ready access to a detailed accounting of their business performance, such a profit and loss statement or weekly/monthly load-by-load accounting of costs, revenues and profits. Essentially: Who here knows their numbers? He asked the same question back in October to small fleet owners and owner-operators, near 30 years later, and results were similar. "About five to 10 percent of the room" raised their hands in 2025, just as in 1999, he noted. "I set a goal in 1999 ... that every time I asked that I wanted more hands to go up, and I have failed miserably. I haven't even moved the needle" on it. Yet still, as he contends in this podcast excerpting parts of his talk at the annual conference of the National Association of Small Trucking Companies in October, "if I can give you one thing that's going to turn your business around, it's that you have to have those numbers," he said. "It's more and more important all the time." Rutherford at NASTC took attendees through what’s been his principal goal for more than two decades now -- helping one-truck businesses optimize every single aspect of their work toward the profit goal. As noted, he’s failed to capture the full attention of most owners, yet there’s evidence among those he’s reached his message is resonating, and it's working for many. In the midst of the last few years' storm of difficulties for trucking businesses of all sizes, it's easy to find news of this or that trucking company’s recent bankruptcy, of course. Yet "while we're watching carriers drop like flies, I'm watching carriers I've worked with for years set records," he said. In this "crazy freight recession everybody's talking about, I'm seeing single-truck owner-operators put out records, revenue and profit records, that I've never seen before, that I didn't think would be possible." Achieving such isn’t something that’s accomplished overnight, and certainly isn’t what you would describe as "easy." Yet Rutherford hopes more owner-operators might resolve this new year to take one area of focus – and he talks about plenty in what follows here – and take that area and really resolve to improve execution. Start with one, then move to the next one, and the next one. For the business owner with one truck, when it comes to controlling costs and really beating the competition, Rutherford feels the competitive advantage is real. "Single best model in the industry -- a single-truck owner-operator with really good relationships with good small brokers," he said, "serving customers better than anybody else can." Along the way through his talk, he delivers three points of emphasis for owners who using load boards -- they shouldn't be 100% satisfying freight needs, but rather serving as a strong educational window on the market, and a path to those strong broker relationships on specialized lanes that might carry independents forward toward being that truly Remarkable One Truck Company, or ROTC for short. That's the name he and NASTC have given their partnership to help deliver business insight and education to both Rutherford's network and NASTC members. Kevin Rutherford's network: https://letstrucktribe.com NASTC: https://nastc.com Find Overdrive's own Partners in Business start-to-finish playbook for an owner-operator career, informed by both Rutherford and NASTC's work through the years, via https://overdriveonline.com/pib

    48 min
  5. Bye-bye 2025: Hope and headwinds for freight, costs, regs in focus in Overdrive Radio

    JAN 5

    Bye-bye 2025: Hope and headwinds for freight, costs, regs in focus in Overdrive Radio

    Year 2025 is in the rear view, just back there behind the trailer. With any luck at all, owner-operators are making good time outrunning all that happened during what was some kind of a momentous year in and around trucking. As my colleague Alex Lockie put it in his year-in-review last week just ahead of New Year celebrations, 2025 may well go down as the year when the you-know-what truly "hit the fan" in trucking: https://overdriveonline.com/15774734 Among surprises, though, was real engagement from regulators in response to longtime asks of small trucking. That's even as owner-operators’ hopes for economic improvement at the beginning of 2025 with the second Trump administration went largely unrealized by the time the clock wound down on the year. Ongoing surveying of Overdrive readers shows a majority reporting income tracking along at levels either worse than or similar to those seen in the very-sluggish year 2024: https://overdriveonline.com/15774647 As of this writing, too, only just more than a third of readers are expecting 2026 to fare better on that score. Yet as this week's podcast makes clear, there are at least some reasons to be optimistic. The episode springs into 2026 with a look back at the 10 most-listened-to podcasts of 2025, near all providing trucking-market touchpoints in stories that continue to evolve, with impacts slowly developing. From the federal push for a non-domiciled CDL purge and boosted English-language proficiency enforcement to freight-rates impacts with negotiation tactics and interest-rate cuts and owners' increasingly sophisticated attention to business brass tacks, all could prove positive for owner-operator demand and bedrock income day-to-day, week-to-week as time marches on. Run back through the year with us in this week's episode, and find here a playlist featuring two honorable mentions for podcasts just outside the top 10, which start the playlist counting from No. 12 to the No. 1 most-listened-to episode of 2025. Happy New Year! Playlist link: https://soundcloud.com/overdriveradio/sets/countdown-to-kick-off-2026-the

    53 min
  6. Michigan Christmas convoy sets sights on 100 trucks after record 2025 delivering holiday joy

    12/22/2025

    Michigan Christmas convoy sets sights on 100 trucks after record 2025 delivering holiday joy

    Despite a record turnout in early December, trucker Noah Melton of small fleet Big P Express out of Southwest Michigan isn't 100% satisfied. Melton's one of the organizers of the Red Arrow Convoy, running 45 miles along the Red Arrow Highway near Lake Michigan every year for the past three, and growing in size and participation, that's certain. A grand total 89 trucks participated this year: https://www.facebook.com/groups/232190276570407 Yet "I want to break 100 trucks in the worst way," Melton told Overdrive Senior Editor Matt Cole in the conversation featured in this week's podcast to take you into the Christmas holiday. The Red Arrow Convoy's origins trace back to a fellow driver's efforts at its start to make a cheerful display for members of the wider community in the region, and to have a little fun among like-minded truckers -- the parade features all manner of straight trucks, tractors and trailers (even freight in some instances) dolled up with Christmas lights and other decorations offering plenty spectacle to set the stage for Christmas festivities. It's clear communities the trucks pass through along the highway have embraced the event, with many townships coordinating their official Christmas celebrations with it and "thousands of people from local communities" coming out just to see the parade, Melton said. "Some even have campfires next to the road." Imagine it: "89 trucks all lit up with Christmas lights, horns blaring and jake brakes popping," Melton described the event. "You would see grown men and grown women jumping up and down like a kid in a candy store." From the start of the event, though, a main goal has been simply to "give the drivers something fun to do before Christmas, as some of us are on the road" during the actual holiday, Melton added, yet it's "also to raise awareness to the community that truckers are just regular people like them." With the podcast, hear Cole's talk with Noah Melton about his trucking history, most of it with Big P Express, and the story of how the regional group of truck drivers having a little fun around the Christmas season quickly came to be the big undertaking that is the Red Arrow Convoy today. With plenty future plans, too. Drivers interested in participating next year can join the drivers' private group for planning purposes here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/705730534890286

    22 min
  7. Wreaths Across America: Professional trucker David May's emotional highs, lows on mission to Arlington

    12/15/2025

    Wreaths Across America: Professional trucker David May's emotional highs, lows on mission to Arlington

    "Every day had an episode like that along the way. It was just the high, and the low." --XPO driver David May, reflecting on the roller coaster of emotion hauling in the Maine-to-Arlington Naitonal Cemetery run of Wreaths Across America Off the top of the podcast, we dive right into the experience of military veteran and longtime professional driver David May, trucking out of the Buffalo, New York, area and speaking the range of emotion delivered by his 2024 participation in what is the annual effort of Wreaths Across America. That's the Maine-headquartered organization that for many years now has been built momentum across the nation, every December honoring fallen U.S. military members by laying wreaths on graves in ceremonies at military cemeteries. Trucking plays a big volunteer role in it, for certain, with wreath deliveries from Maine to points far afield, this year reaching nearly 5,600 sites, according to Wreaths Across America organizers: https://www.wreathsacrossamerica.org/Home/News/1495 The big day for the 2025 effort was this past Saturday, December 13, and for this Overdrive Radio podcast, we’re marking another big haul for participating truckers and trucking companies by revisiting David May’s experience as part of the 2024 convoy moving out from Maine toward Arlington National Cemetery for the big event held there annually. To give you an idea of the scale of that one, this year at Arlington, organizers noted, wreaths were placed on 265,000 individual headstones there through the work of 30,000 volunteers. That haul alone is a massive undertaking, no doubt. Honoring the memory of the fallen isn’t the only aim of the Wreaths organization. Here’s the goal in full: "Remember the fallen, Honor those who serve, and Teach the next generation the value of freedom." Through our conversation with David May you'll hear quite a bit of all of that -- Remember, honor, teach -- yet also a window on just what his experience of the 2024 convoy toward Arlington was like. May’s hauled day-to day for XPO going back decades to when he was with Con-way Freight before the XPO buyout,. He’s a past America’s Road Team captain, where he first learned about Wreaths Across America in its early days. In 2024, he hauled wreaths in the convoy piloting the camouflage-wrapped “workforce heroes” truck of the road team, but it’s his individual experience, the veterans met and the fallen remembered, that most stand out. That includes memorable time spent with a Vietnam veteran in-cab, and much more besides. Just a few pieces of past coverage of the Maine-Arlington convoy, and other wreaths events around the country: **2023 interview with Don Queeney, Director of Transportation for the organization: https://www.overdriveonline.com/15304674 **2022 convoy stop in Connecticut: https://overdriveonline.com/15304350 **2021 in the San Joacquin Valley, California: https://overdriveonline.com/https://www.overdriveonline.com/15286668 **2014: Trucker Vince Strupp recalls prior-years' participation in the convoy: https://www.overdriveonline.com/14887458 **2013 in Nashville, Tennessee: https://www.overdriveonline.com/14885399

    25 min
3.8
out of 5
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The Overdrive Radio podcast is produced by Overdrive magazine, the Voice of the American Trucker for 60-plus years. Host Todd Dills -- with a supporting cast among Overdrive editors, contributors and others -- presents owner-operator business leading lights, interviews with extraordinary independent truckers and small fleet owners, and plenty in the way of trucking business and regulatory news and views. Access an archive of all episodes of Overdrive Radio going back more than a decade via this link: http://overdriveonline.com/overdrive-radio

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