Financial Freedom with Real Estate Investing

Michael Blank
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The Financial Freedom with Real Estate Investing podcast is about helping you achieve financial independence and control your time through apartment building investing. Michael Blank interviews experts in real estate, business, and investing. From learning how to invest in multifamily real estate to navigating entrepreneurship, you will learn the keys to success in your journey towards financial freedom. Previous guests include Grant Cardone, Robert Kiyosaki, Ken McElroy, Robert Helms, Brandon Turner, and Hal Elrod. Whether you're new to real estate investing or a seasoned investor, you'll enjoy stories from our expert guests as well as hear from people who quit their jobs and are living life on their own terms because of investing in multifamily real estate. Thanks for listening and leave a review for a chance to get a shout-out on the show.

  1. 12h ago

    MB544: From Neurosurgeon to $400M in Commercial Real Estate: Buck Joffrey’s Wealth Formula - With Buck Joffrey

    In this episode, Michael Blank welcomes back Buck Joffrey, neurosurgeon-turned-investor, entrepreneur, and host of the Wealth Formula Podcast, for a deep dive into the economic forces shaping real estate and alternative investments. Buck shares his journey from medicine to entrepreneurship and explains why he believes today's challenging multifamily market could present one of the most compelling buying opportunities since the Global Financial Crisis. Michael and Buck break down the relationship between inflation, the 10-year Treasury, Federal Reserve policy, geopolitical instability, energy prices, and the potential deflationary impact of artificial intelligence. They also discuss why investor sentiment remains weak despite significant property discounts, when multifamily fundamentals could begin to recover, and how elevated interest rates, rising insurance and operating costs, and unprecedented new supply have put pressure on property owners. Finally, Buck shares his experience investing in aviation assets, including aircraft engines leased to major airlines, while Michael explores whether private equity and operating businesses could offer investors an alternative to traditional real estate. The conversation offers a candid look at today's investment environment and why disciplined investors need to distinguish between market uncertainty and long-term opportunity. Key TakeawaysMarket Distress Can Create Attractive Buying OpportunitiesBuck believes multifamily valuations have declined significantly in some markets, creating opportunities for investors willing to buy when others are fearful. However, identifying a discount is only the first step; investors still need disciplined underwriting and a clear understanding of the risks.Interest Rates Depend on More Than Federal Reserve PolicyThe 10-year Treasury is influenced by bond-market expectations for long-term inflation, global instability, and other economic forces. For real estate investors, understanding these dynamics is essential because borrowing costs and financing conditions directly affect property valuations and deal feasibility.AI Could Become a Powerful Deflationary ForceBuck argues that AI-driven productivity could reduce business costs and increase competition, putting downward pressure on prices over time. If inflation moderates, interest rates could eventually become lower and more stable, potentially improving the investment environment.Multifamily's Recovery Depends on Supply, Occupancy, and Rent GrowthA surge in new apartment construction has pressured occupancy and rents, even in some Class B and Class C properties that historically faced less competition from Class A developments. Buck and Michael discuss early signs of improving occupancy in markets such as Dallas and Huntsville, while emphasizing that a sustained recovery will take time.Higher Rates and New Supply Have Created a Difficult CombinationRising debt costs, expensive interest-rate-cap renewals, declining rental revenue, and higher operating expenses have placed significant pressure on multifamily owners. These overlapping challenges have contributed to distressed properties, lender-driven sales, and potential opportunities for buyers with the right capital and operating strategy.Alternative Investments Require the Right Operator and Risk AssessmentBuck discusses aviation investments, including aircraft engines leased to airlines, as an alternative with potentially predictable lease income and significant depreciation benefits. Michael and Buck also explore private equity and operating businesses, emphasizing that attractive projected returns must be weighed against operational complexity, asset-specific risks, and the expertise of the people running the investment. Connect with Buck JoffreyWealth Formula Podcast: Buck's podcast covering macroeconomics, wealth building, and alternative investments.Website: Wealth Formula — the best starting point for learning more about Buck and his work. Books MentionedSeven Secrets of Eternal Wealth — Buck Joffrey's book on wealth building and financial strategy.Rich Dad's Cashflow Quadrant — Robert Kiyosaki's book, which Buck credits with helping spark his interest in entrepreneurship and financial education. Connect with our Deal Maker PartnersCheck out all Partners here Attorney - Swafford Law LLC Asset Manager - Cyndee Harding, High Caliber MultifamilyCPA - James Bohan, Stonehan AccountancyMentor - Deal Maker Mentoring ResourcesConnect with Michael Blank TheFreedomPodcast.com Join the Deal Maker Mastermind Explore Michael’s Mentoring Program Review the Podcast on Apple Podcasts Get the Syndicated Deal Analyzer Get the Book, Financial Freedom with Real Estate Investing by Michael Blank For full episode show notes visit: https://themichaelblank.com/podcasts/session544/

  2. Oct 5

    MB543: What Happens to Your Wealth If You Disappear Tomorrow? — With M.C. Laubschero

    In this episode, Michael Blank welcomes back M.C. Laubschero to discuss a critical but often overlooked part of building wealth: creating a comprehensive financial system for your family that can survive, grow, and transfer across generations. Known for his work in infinite banking, M.C. explains why small business owners, investors, and high-income professionals are often underserved when it comes to coordinating their tax, legal, insurance, estate, succession, and investment strategies. He introduces a five-pillar framework covering legacy assets, tax/legal/insurance structures, governance and risk management, a family bank, and asset management. Michael and M.C. also explore the importance of having a “wealth quarterback” who coordinates the various professionals involved in a family's financial life, creates a single source of truth, and ensures that a spouse or the next generation knows exactly what to do if something happens. The conversation ultimately reframes wealth as something that requires its own business-like systems, processes, and ongoing attention—not just something you accumulate and hope to pass on successfully. Key TakeawaysBuild a Family Wealth System, Not Just a PortfolioAccumulating wealth is only one part of the equation. Families also need systems for protecting, managing, transferring, and continuing to grow that wealth across generations.Create a Financial “Quarterback”Most business owners and high-income professionals work with multiple advisors, but those professionals often solve individual problems rather than coordinating the family's overall strategy. A wealth quarterback can bring the tax, legal, insurance, investment, and estate-planning pieces together.Start With Legacy and Family ValuesM.C.'s framework begins with defining what the family stands for, creating shared values, developing a family purpose or constitution, and documenting lessons and experiences that can be passed down to future generations.Use Five Pillars to Organize Your Wealth StrategyThe framework consists of legacy assets; tax, legal, and insurance structures; governance and risk management; a family bank; and asset management. Together, these provide a roadmap for managing family wealth over the long term.Diversify Without Automatically Giving Up ControlBusiness owners often have a huge percentage of their net worth tied to their company. M.C. explains that diversification should be approached thoughtfully, particularly when entrepreneurs need to preserve access to capital and continue investing in the businesses they built.Treat Family Wealth Like a BusinessJust like a successful company needs systems, processes, decision-making frameworks, and succession plans, a family's financial life requires ongoing management. M.C. emphasizes that this is a process that evolves over time rather than a one-time project. Connect with M.C. LaubscheroProducers Wealth: producerswealth.comBooks: producerswealth.com/booksCashflow Ninja: M.C.'s long-running podcast focused on wealth and infinite banking.Infinite Banking Daily: A daily podcast focused on the “Be Your Own Bank” concept.Family Office Daily: A daily podcast focused on family wealth strategies for business owners, investors, and high-income earners. Books MentionedThe Family Office for Business Owners: Build a Family Wealth System as Powerful as Your BusinessGet Wealthy for Sure: The #1 Financial Strategy for Business Owners That Want to Multiply Wealth Predictably Connect with our Deal Maker PartnersCheck out all Partners here Attorney - Swafford Law LLC Asset Manager - Cyndee Harding, High Caliber MultifamilyCPA - James Bohan, Stonehan AccountancyMentor - Deal Maker Mentoring ResourcesConnect with Michael Blank TheFreedomPodcast.com Join the Deal Maker Mastermind Explore Michael’s Mentoring Program Review the Podcast on Apple Podcasts Get the Syndicated Deal Analyzer Get the Book, Financial Freedom with Real Estate Investing by Michael Blank For full episode show notes visit: https://themichaelblank.com/podcasts/session543/

  3. Sep 29

    MB542: What Happens When AI Underwrites a $10M+ Real Estate Deal? — With Joel Bechtel

    In this episode, Michael Blank sits down with real estate investor and software entrepreneur Joel Bechtel to explore how artificial intelligence is changing the way investors analyze deals, underwrite properties, and build more efficient businesses. Joel, who started investing in real estate at 19 and spent decades building software companies, combined his two areas of expertise to create DealFlow Pro, an AI-powered underwriting platform designed to streamline the deal analysis process. Michael and Joel discuss how AI can extract and standardize information from offering memorandums and financial statements, verify the source of data, incorporate market information, and automate repetitive underwriting tasks. They also dive into the current multifamily market, the growing amount of distress, and why investors need to remain disciplined when evaluating properties. Most importantly, Joel explains why you don't need to be technical to start using AI for real estate—and how simply experimenting with plain-English prompts can unlock powerful ways to automate the work you're already doing. Key TakeawaysAI Can Eliminate the Most Tedious Parts of UnderwritingInvestors can use AI to extract income and expense information from OMs, T12s, rent rolls, and other documents, reducing manual data entry and allowing more time to focus on the actual investment decision.You Still Need to Understand the FundamentalsAI can dramatically speed up analysis, but it doesn't replace underwriting expertise. Investors need to understand the numbers well enough to recognize bad assumptions, inconsistencies, and errors before making a multimillion-dollar investment decision.Always Know Where Your Data Came FromJoel emphasizes the importance of data provenance. AI tools should identify the source of information, flag discrepancies, and allow investors to trace numbers back to the specific document or page where they were found.You Don't Need to Be a Programmer to Build With AIOne of the biggest barriers to AI adoption is the belief that you need a technical background. Joel explains that investors can increasingly build useful workflows and applications simply by describing what they want in plain English and iterating with the AI.Market Data Can Make Underwriting Much More PowerfulAI can incorporate additional information such as supply pipelines, building permits, rent burden, and other market-level data to help investors test whether a business plan actually makes sense for a particular property and neighborhood.Multifamily Distress Could Create New OpportunitiesJoel and Michael discuss the growing number of properties facing challenges from higher interest rates, lower occupancy, rising expenses, and loan maturities. As owners run out of cash or struggle to refinance, more properties may eventually come to market at prices that better reflect current fundamentals. Connect with Joel BechtelDealFlow Pro: DealFlow ProLinkedIn: Joel BechtelEmail: Joel@dealflowpro.io Connect with our Deal Maker PartnersCheck out all Partners here Attorney - Swafford Law LLC Asset Manager - Cyndee Harding, High Caliber MultifamilyCPA - James Bohan, Stonehan AccountancyMentor - Deal Maker Mentoring ResourcesConnect with Michael Blank TheFreedomPodcast.com Join the Deal Maker Mastermind Explore Michael’s Mentoring Program Review the Podcast on Apple Podcasts Get the Syndicated Deal Analyzer Get the Book, Financial Freedom with Real Estate Investing by Michael Blank For full episode show notes visit: https://themichaelblank.com/podcasts/session542/

  4. Sep 22

    MB541: This AI Agent Analyzes Apartment Deals in Seconds — With Michael Blank

    In this episode, Michael Blank demonstrates how to turn a repeatable real estate investing process into an AI-powered workflow that can analyze apartment deals in seconds instead of spending hours manually reviewing marketing packages. Using his 10-Minute Offer methodology, Michael walks through how to create an AI agent that can read an offering memorandum, identify missing information, apply the appropriate underwriting assumptions, calculate an informal offer, and even draft an email to the broker explaining the offer. He then takes the process one step further by showing how the same AI skill can be brought directly into Excel using Claude for Excel, allowing investors to upload new OMs and automatically populate an underwriting spreadsheet. The episode provides a practical blueprint for identifying repetitive tasks, turning proven SOPs into AI agents, and using those agents to make deal analysis faster, more consistent, and more scalable. Key TakeawaysTurn Your Proven Process Into an AI AgentIf you have a repeatable SOP for analyzing deals, AI can turn that process into an agent that performs the work consistently instead of requiring you to start from scratch every time.The 10-Minute Offer Can Be Applied in SecondsMichael demonstrates how an AI agent can take the information from an OM or marketing package, apply the 10-Minute Offer methodology, perform the calculations, and produce an informal offer.Always Make AI Show Its SourcesMichael emphasizes the importance of asking AI where its information came from and checking the underlying sources rather than blindly trusting its output.Missing Information Should Be Flagged—Not InventedWhen an OM is missing critical numbers, the agent can be instructed to flag the missing information and ask the investor rather than simply making assumptions without permission.Claude for Excel Brings AI Directly Into Your UnderwritingMichael demonstrates how the same skill can be accessed inside Excel, allowing investors to upload an OM and have the agent populate an underwriting spreadsheet and generate a corresponding broker email.Look for Repetitive Work You Can AutomateThe broader lesson is to identify tasks you perform repeatedly, document the process as an SOP, and experiment with turning that process into an AI-powered workflow or agent. Connect with our Deal Maker PartnersCheck out all Partners here Attorney - Swafford Law LLC Asset Manager - Cyndee Harding, High Caliber MultifamilyCPA - James Bohan, Stonehan AccountancyMentor - Deal Maker Mentoring ResourcesConnect with Michael Blank TheFreedomPodcast.com Join the Deal Maker Mastermind Explore Michael’s Mentoring Program Review the Podcast on Apple Podcasts Get the Syndicated Deal Analyzer Get the Book, Financial Freedom with Real Estate Investing by Michael Blank For full episode show notes visit: https://themichaelblank.com/podcasts/session541/

  5. Sep 7

    MB 540: The Different Paths to Financial Freedom - with Michael Blank

    In this episode, Michael Blank breaks down the different paths investors can take to achieve financial freedom—and explains why multifamily real estate is only one of many options. Drawing from his own experience with house flipping and rental properties, Michael explores the pros and cons of short-term rentals, co-living, self-storage, mobile home parks, and even buying businesses. He then dives into the different ways to earn a General Partner role in a syndication, including finding deals, raising capital, funding due diligence, providing guarantees, and managing assets. Most importantly, Michael explains why investors shouldn't become too narrowly focused on one asset class or one role, and how being flexible can open the door to partnerships, opportunities, and ultimately the financial freedom they're looking for. Key TakeawaysThere Isn't Just One Path to Financial FreedomMultifamily is powerful, but investors can also build wealth through self-storage, mobile home parks, short-term rentals, businesses, and other asset classes.Choose an Investment Strategy That Matches Your GoalsFlipping and traditional rentals can generate wealth, but they can also require significant time and effort. Understanding the tradeoffs helps you choose a vehicle that actually supports the lifestyle you want.Don't Make Your Buy Box So Narrow That You Never Buy AnythingBeing open to multiple asset classes can dramatically increase deal flow and may reveal opportunities you hadn't considered.There Are Multiple Ways to Earn GP EquityFinding deals and raising capital are the two primary roles, but funding deposits, covering due diligence, signing on debt, and handling asset management can also contribute significant value to a partnership.You Don't Have to Be Great at EverythingThe strongest partnerships often combine complementary strengths—such as one partner focused on deal flow and another focused on capital raising—rather than relying on one person to do everything.Your First Deal Is About Getting Into the GPMichael encourages investors to focus less on finding the "perfect" opportunity and more on finding a way to contribute meaningful value to a deal and earn a position in the General Partnership. Connect with our Deal Maker PartnersCheck out all Partners here Attorney - Swafford Law LLC Asset Manager - Cyndee Harding, High Caliber MultifamilyCPA - James Bohan, Stonehan AccountancyMentor - Deal Maker Mentoring ResourcesConnect with Michael Blank TheFreedomPodcast.com Join the Deal Maker Mastermind Explore Michael’s Mentoring Program Review the Podcast on Apple Podcasts Get the Syndicated Deal Analyzer Get the Book, Financial Freedom with Real Estate Investing by Michael Blank For full episode show notes visit: https://themichaelblank.com/podcasts/session540/

  6. Aug 31

    MB539: How to Turn Podcast Appearances Into Capital, Credibility, and Deal Flow - with Trevor Oldham

    In this episode, Michael Blank sits down with podcasting and marketing expert Trevor Oldham to reveal how real estate operators and syndicators can use podcasts to build credibility, generate leads, and ultimately raise more capital. Trevor, who has helped book more than 10,000 podcast appearances for over 500 clients, explains why getting on the biggest shows isn't necessarily the goal—the right audience is. They break down how to identify podcasts that reach your ideal investors, build a simple funnel to capture leads, use automation to follow up, and turn one podcast appearance into multiple marketing touchpoints. Michael and Trevor also discuss why podcasting is a long-term strategy, how the capital-raising environment has changed, and why operators should build their marketing platform before trying to scale their lead generation. Key TakeawaysThe Right Podcast Matters More Than the Biggest PodcastA smaller show with a highly targeted audience can generate far more valuable investor relationships than a massive show with the wrong listeners.Build the Funnel Before You Generate LeadsBefore appearing on podcasts, have a professional website, a clear call to action, a lead magnet, and a way to capture and nurture prospects. Otherwise, you're creating attention without having a system to convert it.Podcasting Is a Long-Term Capital-Raising StrategyUnlike paid advertising, podcasting can take weeks or months to produce results. But consistently appearing on two to four relevant shows per month allows the exposure and credibility to compound over time.Your Story Builds More Trust Than Your Track RecordInvestors don't just want to hear about your assets under management or projected returns. Sharing how you got started, what went wrong, and how you overcame challenges makes you more relatable and trustworthy.Don't Skip One-on-One Capital RaisingMichael emphasizes that aspiring syndicators should first learn how to build trust and understand investors through personal conversations before trying to amplify their message online.Turn One Podcast Appearance Into Multiple TouchpointsWith landing pages, LinkedIn outreach, email follow-up, social media engagement, and personalized messages, one interview can become the starting point for an entire investor acquisition campaign. Connect with Trevor OldhamPodcasting You: podcastingyou.com/podcastsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/trevorjoldham Connect with our Deal Maker PartnersCheck out all Partners here Attorney - Swafford Law LLC Asset Manager - Cyndee Harding, High Caliber MultifamilyCPA - James Bohan, Stonehan AccountancyMentor - Deal Maker Mentoring ResourcesConnect with Michael Blank TheFreedomPodcast.com Join the Deal Maker Mastermind Explore Michael’s Mentoring Program Review the Podcast on Apple Podcasts Get the Syndicated Deal Analyzer Get the Book, Financial Freedom with Real Estate Investing by Michael Blank For full episode show notes visit: https://themichaelblank.com/podcasts/session539/

  7. Aug 24

    MB538: How to Build a Private Lending Fund After Flipping Houses and Investing in Syndications - with Will Harvey

    In this episode, Michael Blank welcomes back Will Harvey, founder and managing partner of Harvey Capital, to explore his evolution from multifamily investor and mortgage professional into the private lending business. After leaving his W-2 job to pursue real estate full time, Will discovered that he enjoyed the finance side of investing far more than the operational side—and eventually built a private lending business focused on asset-backed loans. Will explains how the private lending model works, why he prefers lending against real estate rather than owning it, how he raises capital through a fund structure, and how he protects investor capital through conservative underwriting. The conversation also dives deep into how Will is using AI to transform everything from underwriting and Google Ads to lead generation and investor outreach, offering a fascinating look at how technology can dramatically increase the scale and efficiency of a real estate business. Key TakeawaysPrivate Lending Can Provide Real Estate Exposure Without Owning the PropertyWill explains why he prefers lending against real estate rather than dealing with tenants, contractors, renovations, and property operations—and how lenders can earn attractive interest while maintaining a secured position.Protecting Capital Starts With Conservative UnderwritingThe goal isn't to take back properties when borrowers default. It's to structure loans with enough margin of safety that the investment remains protected even when something goes wrong.Fund Structures Can Reduce Concentration RiskRather than putting all of an investor's money into a single loan, Will prefers a fund model that spreads capital across multiple loans and borrowers.AI Is Transforming Real Estate UnderwritingWill uses Claude Code to analyze borrowers, verify their track records, review financial statements, research potential red flags, and produce detailed underwriting briefs—allowing his team to process significantly more volume.AI Can Turn Marketing Data Into Actionable InsightsBy feeding Google Ads reports into Claude, Will can quickly identify which campaigns, keywords, locations, and time periods are performing best, dramatically accelerating a process that previously took weeks of manual analysis.AI Is Opening New Doors for Capital RaisingWill is using AI to identify potential investors through public property records, including people who own real estate through self-directed retirement accounts, creating targeted lists that would have previously required significant man Connect with Will HarveyWebsite: Harvey CapitalEmail: will@harvey-capital.com Connect with our Deal Maker PartnersCheck out all Partners here Attorney - Swafford Law LLC Asset Manager - Cyndee Harding, High Caliber MultifamilyCPA - James Bohan, Stonehan AccountancyMentor - Deal Maker Mentoring ResourcesConnect with Michael Blank TheFreedomPodcast.com Join the Deal Maker Mastermind Explore Michael’s Mentoring Program Review the Podcast on Apple Podcasts Get the Syndicated Deal Analyzer Get the Book, Financial Freedom with Real Estate Investing by Michael Blank For full episode show notes visit: https://themichaelblank.com/podcasts/session538/

  8. Aug 17

    MB537: The Multifamily Boom Is Over. Here’s What Comes Next — with Lane Kawaoka

    In this episode, Michael Blank reconnects with multifamily investor and capital raiser Lane Kawaoka to take a hard look at what has changed in commercial real estate since the market peak—and where the opportunities may be today. After investing in more than 10,000 multifamily units and returning more than $45 million to investors, Lane shares lessons from navigating both the boom years and the subsequent market correction. They discuss shifting investor sentiment, conservative underwriting, emerging and tertiary markets, diversification beyond multifamily, and why the quality of the operator matters more than ever. Lane also explains how building relationships outside of real estate has helped him discover opportunities in other asset classes and why today's market may reward investors who are willing to think differently while staying disciplined. Key TakeawaysThe Investor Mindset Has ChangedThe FOMO-driven investing environment of 2021–2022 has been replaced by more sophisticated investors focused on diversification, risk, and long-term wealth creation.Conservative Underwriting Matters More Than EverToday's higher interest rates, elevated insurance and taxes, and limited cash flow leave little room for aggressive assumptions. Investors need to underwrite deals based on what they know—not what they hope will happen.The Best Opportunities May Be in the "Boring" MarketsMarkets that avoided the massive development and price run-ups of the Sun Belt may offer more stability and less competition as investors search for the next wave of opportunity.The Operator Can Matter More Than the Asset ClassWhen investing outside your area of expertise, the key isn't becoming an expert in every industry—it's finding proven operators with strong track records, especially through difficult market cycles.Diversification Doesn't Mean Abandoning Your Core StrategyInvestors can continue building expertise in multifamily while selectively exploring complementary asset classes, businesses, private equity, self-storage, or other opportunities.Build Relationships Before You Need ThemExpanding your network beyond traditional real estate circles can open doors to new operators, industries, and investment opportunities—but building that trust takes years, not weeks. Connect with Lane KawaokaThe Wealth Elevator: https://thewealthelevator.comEmail: Lane@TheWealthElevator.comFor Deal Submissions: Lane mentioned that he is open to reviewing deals from operators with more than $1 billion in assets. Connect with our Deal Maker PartnersCheck out all Partners here Attorney - Swafford Law LLC Asset Manager - Cyndee Harding, High Caliber MultifamilyCPA - James Bohan, Stonehan AccountancyMentor - Deal Maker Mentoring ResourcesConnect with Michael Blank TheFreedomPodcast.com Join the Deal Maker Mastermind Explore Michael’s Mentoring Program Review the Podcast on Apple Podcasts Get the Syndicated Deal Analyzer Get the Book, Financial Freedom with Real Estate Investing by Michael Blank For full episode show notes visit: https://themichaelblank.com/podcasts/session537/

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The Financial Freedom with Real Estate Investing podcast is about helping you achieve financial independence and control your time through apartment building investing. Michael Blank interviews experts in real estate, business, and investing. From learning how to invest in multifamily real estate to navigating entrepreneurship, you will learn the keys to success in your journey towards financial freedom. Previous guests include Grant Cardone, Robert Kiyosaki, Ken McElroy, Robert Helms, Brandon Turner, and Hal Elrod. Whether you're new to real estate investing or a seasoned investor, you'll enjoy stories from our expert guests as well as hear from people who quit their jobs and are living life on their own terms because of investing in multifamily real estate. Thanks for listening and leave a review for a chance to get a shout-out on the show.

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