Messy Family Podcast : Catholic Conversations on Marriage and Family

Mike and Alicia Hernon : Catholic Marriage Parent and Family
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Parenting is not a clean-cut, simple process for those who like to follow the rules. Family life is messy and unpredictable, but it is the greatest adventure you will ever have. We are Mike and Alicia Hernon, parents of 10 children with a growing number of grandchildren, and we would like to invite you into some of the conversations we have had with each other about marriage, parenting, and Catholic family life. Our hope is that our conversation sparks a dialogue between you and your spouse that leads to greater unity and intentional Christian parenting in your home. Listen in to our podcast and start the conversation as we seek to lead our families to heaven. Visit us at https:///www/MessyFamilyProject.org for resources, guides, links and show notes.

  1. 1d ago

    MFP 404: The Power of Recovering the Ordinary w/ Dr. John Cuddeback

    "The demise of the household is a key to our unhappiness, and restoring our households is a central need of our age." Summary What if the family life we long for begins by recovering the ordinary joys of home? Join us for a warm and thought-provoking conversation with Dr. John Cuddeback about rebuilding a household centered on connection, responsibility, and shared life. We explore why the 1950s family model is not as traditional as many assume, how modern culture pulls families apart, and what parents can do to resist that pressure. From family dinners, stories, singing, and walks to gardening, meaningful work, and genuine leisure, Dr. Cuddeback offers a hopeful vision for living well together. We also discuss technology's proper place, the value of intergenerational relationships, and the need for intentional communication. Listen in and rediscover the beauty waiting within everyday family life. Dr. John A. Cuddeback has been a professor of Philosophy at Christendom College for thirty years. He lectures and writes on how to live the good life today. His first book, True Friendship, and his new book The Intentional Household are published by Ignatius Press. His work at LifeCraft is renowned for applying timeless wisdom to life today. Key Takeaways The household should be a center of shared life. For most of history, home was where families worked, learned, rested, and built relationships together. Ordinary activities create meaningful connections. Family meals, conversations, walks, stories, gardening, singing, and shared work provide natural opportunities for relationships to deepen. Technology should serve your family's vision. First decide what kind of family life you want; then determine how technology can support that vision rather than shape it. Every generation contributes to family life. Children, parents, and grandparents need one another. Shared responsibilities and open communication strengthen the entire household. Couple Discussion Questions What do we want ordinary life in our home to look and feel like?   What is one change we could make to create more shared work, leisure, and connection? Resources The Intentional Family https://a.co/d/01QaIoVc The Family Culture Assessment!  www.messyfamilyproject.org Fr. Josh Date Night   https://messyfamilyproject.org/a-messy-family-date-night/

  2. Oct 19

    MFP 403: Learn the Heart of God from the Word of God

    If our children learn who God is by watching us, where are we learning who God is? Summary Every parent carries an image of God shaped by experience, but what happens when that image is shaped more by our wounds than by the truth? In this episode, Mike and Alicia talk about forming a true concept of God through Scripture and letting God's Word correct the false images we pick up along the way. They share honestly from their own prayer lives, from praying through the Psalms and Isaiah in a season of exile to a simple way to read, reflect, wrestle, respond, and rest with the Gospels. Through the washing of the feet, the prodigal son, the works of mercy, and the loaves and fishes, they show how Scripture speaks directly into the everyday work of parenting. You'll come away encouraged that you don't need to be a scholar to open your Bible and hear God speak. Listen in! Key Points Our image of God is shaped by experience, while Scripture and Church teaching form our concept of God, and praying with Scripture brings the two into alignment. Scripture is not just history or poetry. Through it, God speaks to us personally. Because parents form their children's image of God, we need to be steeped in Scripture ourselves. The ordinary work of family life (serving, forgiving, feeding, clothing) is a real path to holiness. God prefers to work through our small, faithful efforts, multiplying what little we bring Him. Discussion Questions Where might your image of God be shaped more by past experiences than by who God reveals Himself to be in Scripture? What Scripture passage has changed you, and how could you share it with your spouse this week?

  3. Oct 12

    MFP 402: When Empathy Becomes Wimpy

    If I understand my child's feelings but refuse to guide them toward what is good, am I fully loving them? Summary What if empathy, one of the most important tools in parenting, can sometimes keep us from loving our children well? In this episode, Mike and Alicia explore the difference between understanding a child's feelings and allowing those feelings to guide every decision. Drawing on Scripture and the example of God's fatherly love, they talk honestly about compassion, authority, boundaries, service, and the deep delight parents are called to have in their children. You'll hear practical wisdom on how to love without becoming permissive. Like God's love for us, parental love should seek the child's good without rising and falling according to the child's behavior. Listen in!  Key Points 1. Empathy helps us understand a child's feelings, but it should not determine every parenting decision. 2. Parental authority exists to protect, form, and guide—not to dominate. 3. God models a love that is compassionate, truthful, sacrificial, and steadfast. 4. Children need firm boundaries while knowing their behavior does not diminish their parents' love or delight in them. 5. Healthy detachment allows parents to guide children without making their choices a measure of parental success or worth. Discussion Questions 1. When can empathy become an excuse to avoid giving our children necessary corrections or consequences? 2. How can we communicate both "Nothing will make me stop loving you" and "This behavior is unacceptable"? Links Fr Josh date night Oct 28 - register on site, gifts to give and discounts!   https://messyfamilyproject.org/event/a-virtual-date-night-featuring-fr-josh-johnson/

  4. Oct 5

    MFP 401: The Four Core Needs of Your Spouse and How to Address Them

    Summary Marriage does not mean you will perfectly fulfill every need your spouse has, but we are called to be a channel of God's self-giving love. Join us for this powerful conversation with Devin Schadt author of The Marriage Gap: How to Understand, Communicate, and Meet Your Spouse's Four Deepest Needs. We explore the complementary needs of husbands and wives: security and respect, strength and beauty, closeness and physical intimacy, spiritual leadership and shared mission. Devin offers practical wisdom for expressing needs without shame, blame, or manipulation; building trust through attention and sacrifice; and leading a family through prayer. Discover why words can become a trailhead to your spouse's heart—and how grace can draw two people into deeper union. Listen together now. Resources https://sophiainstitute.com/product/the-marriage-gap/ Buy the book!  Join the webinar for Lead Like a Dad!  https://messyfamilyproject.org/event/lead-like-a-dad-webinar/ Fr. Josh Date Night on Bible in a Year for Families: https://ascensionpress.com/pages/media-season/the-bible-in-a-year-family-edition-with-fr-josh-johnson?srsltid=AU7gw4UDNt7w2sYRSTUYCN9vxJWAo3eKISyYmZswJb6dc7O6Ea0W9mt5

  5. Sep 28

    MFP 400: From Rules to Responsibility, Giving Teens Freedom

    "We have vastly overprotected our children in the real world. We have to give them more freedom."  —Jonathan Haidt Summary How much freedom should you give your children—and how do you know when they're ready for more? In this episode, we explore one of parenting's challenging balancing acts: offering children room to grow while providing the guidance and security they still need. Through the relatable picture of teaching a child to swim or drive, we consider why freedom is an art, not a formula, and why every child may need something different. We will tell you some stories from our own experience of our kids' small failures which become valuable preparation for bigger decisions.  We will also explain the danger of parents giving too much freedom too early and too little freedom later and why a strong relationship makes wise boundaries easier to receive. If you want to raise responsible, confident young adults while remaining a trusted and loving guide, listen in to this conversation to get some encouragement for your journey. Key Points Children need different levels of freedom depending on their maturity and readiness. Small failures help children develop the wisdom to handle bigger decisions later. Children thrive when parents combine loving relationships with confident, trustworthy guidance. Practice giving children freedom in areas of time management, social relationships, money and technology  Couple Discussion Questions How did our parents give us freedom to make choices growing up?  Do we think they gave us too much or too little?    Where can we give our children more freedom?

  6. Sep 21

    MFP 399: Motherhood - Losing Yourself or Becoming Yourself?

    Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. - Matthew 11:28 Summary Motherhood changes everything—and sometimes that transformation feels less like a beautiful makeover and more like someone rearranged your whole life while you were trying to sleep. In this honest, hopeful episode, Alicia and guest host Katie Gamboa explore the tension between self-care and sacrificial love. How do mothers give generously without running on empty? We also challenge today's impossible expectations: work, prepare healthy meals, raise happy children, keep the house running, and look effortlessly radiant while doing it all. Spoiler alert: no one was meant to mother alone.   From postpartum support and marriage to community, identity, and grace, this conversation offers encouragement for every mom who has wondered, "Will I ever feel like myself again?" Perhaps the invitation isn't to recover the old you, but to become even more fully yourself—messy, loved, stretched, and strengthened by God.  So grab your coffee (reheated for the third time), take a breath, and listen in. You were made to give love—but you were also made to receive care. Let's discover how both can beautifully belong together.   Key Takeaways The transition to being a mom is huge - don't underestimate how hard it can be and it's ok to be honest about it.  Sacrificial love is not the opposite of self-care.  You need to care for yourself in order to love sacrificially.  Don't feel guilty about loosening the "standards" you set for yourself if it helps you to get through the day. Never forget that you were made for this, but you do need to support your body and heart so you can do what you were made to do.  Couple Discussion Questions How has being a mother changed you and how you think of yourself?  Of your body?  Of our marriage?   How can we work together to support our unique roles knowing what a change this has been?

  7. Sep 14

    MFP 398: Discovering Your Child's Unique Gifts

    "Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it." — Proverbs 22:6 Summary With so many sports, clubs, arts programs, school choices, and community activities available, how can parents help their children discover their gifts without letting a packed schedule take over family life? Rather than trying to produce a generically successful child, parents are invited to become students of the unique children God has entrusted to them. In this podcast, we encourage parents to give their kids room to try new things, change direction, fail, and discover what fits—because eliminating an option can be just as valuable as finding a passion.  We'll also discuss how to name and affirm gifts, cultivate strengths while managing weaknesses, and choose activities and education that suit both the child and the family's season and capacity. You'll hear why faith, marriage, and family relationships must remain more important than performance, and how coaches, teachers, mentors, and relatives can help children see themselves more clearly. Listen in for encouragement to see, know, bless, and guide the child right in front of you. Key Takeaways Observe before directing. Parents become students of their children: watching what draws them, where they lose track of time, what others notice, and what patterns persist.  Give kids lots of experiences.  Activities, arts, sports, clubs, work, and educational settings function as laboratories in which children discover what fits and what does not. Its ok to try something and not like it!  Children often experience their own gifts as "normal." Parents help form identity by calling out the gold they see and, ultimately, blessing the child with words that communicate: I see you. Keep giftedness inside the right hierarchy. Faith, marriage, and family relationships come before performance. Activities and educational opportunities must serve family culture rather than become the family's organizing principle.  Widen the circle of adults who can see the child. Coaches, teachers, relatives, mentors, and family friends can confirm gifts parents see - or reveal gifts parents miss. This becomes especially important in adolescence.  Transfer ownership as the child matures. Young children receive observation and affirmation from parents; adolescents increasingly reflect on their own strengths, make choices, and learn where they fit in the wider world.  Couple Discussion Questions Are the activities our children participate in developing their natural gifts?   Can we observe our children, compare notes, and decide how to help them know themselves better?  Resources Webpage to LLD Webinar when its up Group Sales of Women Wonderfully Made https://messyfamilyproject.org/courses/women-wonderfully-made-group/

  8. Sep 7

    MFP 397: The No-Resentment Rosary

    "The Holy Rosary, by age-old tradition, has shown itself particularly effective as a prayer which brings the family together." —St. John Paul II, Rosarium Virginis Mariae, no. 41   Summary Have you ever gathered the family to pray the Rosary—and wondered if all the fidgeting, correcting, and frustration were helping your children love prayer or simply teaching them to endure it? In this episode, we take an honest look at praying the Rosary with kids. Perseverance matters, but so do creativity, patience, and sensitivity to the needs of your particular family. The goal is not merely to finish five decades or imitate another Catholic household. It is to form children who know that prayer is a place of peace, connection, and love—and who will reach for the Rosary throughout their lives. We explore why this ancient prayer is so powerful: it is scriptural, meditative, intercessory, communal, and contemplative. It is also a "graduated" prayer that can be entered into by a small child, a busy parent, or a contemplative saint. We share practical ideas for making it part of real family life, from praying one decade or taking a walking Rosary to using pictures, Scripture, candles, audio recordings, car rides, and bedtime routines. Your family Rosary does not have to look perfect to bear fruit. Begin small, make room for children to be children, and create an atmosphere they will remember with affection. Give them more than a completed Rosary—give them a lifelong prayer of their own. Key Takeaways 1. Love is the goal. The deeper purpose is not completing the Rosary but helping children develop a lifelong love of prayer. 2. Discern what serves your family. Your Rosary does not need to look like anyone else's. Consider your children's ages, personalities, and needs. 3. Begin small and get creative. Try one decade, a walking Rosary, sacred images, Scripture, car rides, or bedtime prayer. 4. Create an atmosphere of peace. Children may forget what you said, but they will remember how family prayer felt. 5. Lead through witness. Praying as a couple and allowing your children to see that you treasure the Rosary can be powerful formation. Couple discussion questions   1. Is the way we currently pray helping our children love prayer—or merely teaching them to endure it? 2. What practical change could make our family Rosary more peaceful, engaging, and appropriate for our children's current ages? 3. How can we strengthen our own prayer life as a couple so our children encounter the Rosary as something we genuinely love?   Resources Link to lead like a dad waitlist Messy Family Rosary App Apple Android

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Parenting is not a clean-cut, simple process for those who like to follow the rules. Family life is messy and unpredictable, but it is the greatest adventure you will ever have. We are Mike and Alicia Hernon, parents of 10 children with a growing number of grandchildren, and we would like to invite you into some of the conversations we have had with each other about marriage, parenting, and Catholic family life. Our hope is that our conversation sparks a dialogue between you and your spouse that leads to greater unity and intentional Christian parenting in your home. Listen in to our podcast and start the conversation as we seek to lead our families to heaven. Visit us at https:///www/MessyFamilyProject.org for resources, guides, links and show notes.

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