This week, Joe and Nathan settle in for a wide-ranging, deeply opinionated, and occasionally unhinged conversation that starts with sickness, spirals into TikTok behavior, veers hard into politics and celebrity proximity, and somehow ends with nightmare fuel wrapped in perfect holiday paper. In This Episode: Joe kicks things off while battling a lingering cold, which quickly turns into a rant about “mystery viruses,” internet armchair diagnoses, and why some people simply cannot resist commenting on content that was never meant for them. From the infamous “bean soup theory” to the worst offenders in New York Times recipe comments, the two unpack the exhausting self-centeredness of online discourse. The conversation then pivots to TikTok commenting culture, parasocial engagement, and why sometimes saying nothing is the most radical act of all. From there, things escalate into a thoughtful (and blunt) discussion of political commentary in pop culture—specifically the backlash surrounding Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, donations, Democratic infighting, and the realities of race, gender, and electability in American politics. Joe reflects on proximity to fame, sharing personal stories about comedians, actors, and directors, and how seeing the human side of celebrities fundamentally changes how criticism lands. There’s also a candid exploration of why authenticity becomes increasingly complicated the closer one gets to power, money, and influence. And just when things couldn’t get stranger, the episode closes with a holiday gift reveal featuring pristine wrapping, Golden Girls merch, and a deeply unsettling Carol Channing doll that may—or may not—be plotting something sinister. Topics Include: Lingering colds, “mystery viruses,” and TikTok medical panic The bean soup theory and why internet comments are broken TikTok engagement, commenting addiction, and algorithm bait Matt Rogers, Bowen Yang, and political backlash discourse White gay proximity, race, and Democratic messaging failures Celebrity humanity, criticism, and why fame changes everything Kathy Griffin stories, Hollywood proximity, and compassion Gift wrapping excellence and true nightmare fuel Final Thoughts: It’s funny, it’s messy, it’s occasionally uncomfortable—and it’s exactly the kind of conversation that only happens just between us ghouls.