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We're launching the Interchangeable White Ladies podcast a show where we discuss education, culture, and local activism. We’re teachers so we have an essential question--How can white women use their privilege to deconstruct white culture, confront their own biases, be better allies, and be less basic? Listen to the Interchangeable White Ladies podcast to learn about all that and more!

Interchangeable White Ladies Podcast Hope Teague-Bowling & Annie Jansen

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We're launching the Interchangeable White Ladies podcast a show where we discuss education, culture, and local activism. We’re teachers so we have an essential question--How can white women use their privilege to deconstruct white culture, confront their own biases, be better allies, and be less basic? Listen to the Interchangeable White Ladies podcast to learn about all that and more!

    Ep. 92: New Year, Same You

    Ep. 92: New Year, Same You

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    Essential Question: What belief, practice, habit, or mindset are you taking with you in 2021?
    In today’s episode we talk all about New Year, Same. Old. You. With the New Year comes the pressure to create resolutions and completely change who you are, but what if you don’t have to throw everything out? Hope and Megan discuss the lessons that they learned in 2020 and why they want to bring those with them into 2021. In the back half of the episode, they explain what NOT to bring with you into 2021 and highlight some white people who just keep on insisting on white people-ing. 
    Related to our Discussion:
    The Mahjong Line
    The Cut: 3 Women Decided That Mahjong Needed a Makeover
    Dallas Company Called Out for Redesign
    Love Life of a Asian Guy
    Fake Twitter Account
    FBI: No Evidence Antifa Involved In Capitol Chaos
    Rep. Matt Gaetz and other GOP politicians baselessly suggest antifa is to blame for pro-Trump mob rioting into Capitol
    Quick Overview of what process was taking place in Congress on January 6
    Here Are The Republicans Who Objected To The Electoral College Count
    Do Your Fudging Homework:
    Do something this week to continue to practice the lessons from 2020.













































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    Ep. 90: Out, Damned Test!

    Ep. 90: Out, Damned Test!

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    EQ: Should Universities that adopted test-optional practices due to Covid maintain these policies in the post Covid world?
    Guest: Mallory Torgerson-Preuitt (torgersm@seattleu.edu)  has worked in Higher Ed for 10+ years in a variety of positions and is currently the Associate Director of Transfer Admissions at Seattle University. She has spent her career focusing on accessibility to higher education and working to change the review process for transfer applicants to focus on counseling and advising.
    Our conversation today focuses on test optional Universities and ultimately its role in equity and access to higher ed. We are joined by Mallory Torgerson-Preuitt, who opens the conversation by sharing her own journey to her higher education admissions work, focusing on how she didn’t find the right fit immediately, and how she stepped into her own during her time at a Community College. The discussion then moves into how Seattle University moved to a test optional model, even before Covid hit. The conversation hits on access and equity to test prep, testing sites, preparation, transportation and equitable rigor. We make the case for why Universities should consider keeping their Covid test optional policies in place for long after Covid leaves.
    Related Links:
    85% of the 100 Liberal Arts Colleges become testing optional
    Test Optional Admissions Movement
    Champagne and Real Pain:
    🥂The court transcripts re: Election 2020
    🥂 All the admissions and high school counselors who are working their tail off during the Covid times👎🏻 The White House refusing to answer the public's questions during a pandemic.
    👎🏻Those election lawyers who are fighting for the election fraud angle. Shame Bell on getting State abbreviations wrong.
    👎🏻All of the people that are not following Covid guidelines and being good community members.
    Do Your Fudging Homework:
    Hope/Megan: Read and tweet about Caste! Read with some friends.
    Mallory: The Daily Podcast. Really good digestible news.



































    Book Club Reminder:
    Pick up a copy of Caste by Isabel Wilkerson to join the collab book club between The Nerd Farmer Podcast and IWL.
    Tweet about the book with either #nerdfarmreads or #readlessbasic

    Ep. 89: Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is

    Ep. 89: Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is

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    EQ: How can  financial giving a vital part of our equity & justice work?
    Our conversation today focuses on how your annual giving can #belessbasic. As we know better, we need to do better, and that includes our giving.  We first focus on why you should care about where you are giving, and how you might think about where you choose to give your money. Hope and Megan then move into sharing the organizations that they choose to support, ranging from a wide variety of social causes. They end the episode talking about the suggestions that came in from some of our listeners. You can find an extensive list of resources below to the organizations that we discussed in today’s episode.
    Tacoma-Local Orgs to Support:
    Channel 253, Snacks for Schools, Tacoma Diaper Drive, Sandwiches for Homeless, LHS Community Resource Center
    Local restaurants--En Rama, Doyles, Love By the Slice, etc.
    Some of Hope’s Favs:
    Planned Parenthood - Women’s Health
    Center for Reproductive Rights - Women’s Health
    Border Angels - Immigrant Support and Aid
    CAIR --Council of American Islamic-Relations
    Innocence Project - Provides legal support to overturn wrongful convictions
    Megan’s Recommendations:
    Native Women’s Wilderness - Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women - Indigenous Women’s rights
    FairFight - Access to Voting
    Livestrong - Cancer/Reproductive Health
    National Ovarian Cancer Coalition - Cancer Advocacy 
    From our Listeners:
    Niles Edge in Seattle--mental health org lead by and for Black people
    Na’ah Illahee Fund--STEM for Native Girls
    Somali Parents Education Board, Somali Family Education Advocacy
    Densho Project--preserving stories of Japanese A incarcerated during WWII
    Southern Poverty Law Center--racial and social justice
    Africatown Community Land Trust, Seattle--investment & land community
    The Trevor Project--LGBTQ Youth
    Gender Cool Project - LGBTQ Youth - Transgender and Non-Binary focus
    My Purple Umbrella - LGBTQ Youth - Transgender and Non-Binary focus
    Rainbow Center - LGBTQ Community
    Tacoma Urban League - assist African Americans and other underserved urban residents in the achievement of social equality and economic independence.
    Immigration Legal Resource Center-- - Legal resources for Immigrants

    Ep. 88: Someone is Waiting for Who You're Becoming

    Ep. 88: Someone is Waiting for Who You're Becoming

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    Note to listeners: We recorded this episode at the end of October.
    EQ: How can an emphasis on educational leadership impact and improve the recruitment and retention of teachers, especially Teachers of color?
    Guest: Patrice Dawkins-Jackson, a Science educator, ambassador fellow, teacher leader, and ASCD Board Director. Patrice is also a Carnegie Foundation Associate, Director of the Post Baccalaureate Fellowship Program and Vice President of Cool Boys Communicate, Inc Board.
    Our conversation spans a range of topics but centers Patrice's journey from the classroom into leadership. She shares her passion for being a disruptor, making pathways for students, and how we should develop our own pathways. One of the mottos she uses to drive her choices is the idea that “someone is waiting on who you’re becoming.” In order to make change we need to rethink our own roles and involvement in these changes. Additionally, she outlines some ways schools and districts should change to create more racially and culturally diverse communities by focusing on being places to belong. There is a necessary  mindset shift that those closest to the work need to commit rather than buying into something
    Related resources:
    Teach to Lead 
    Sharif Al-Mekki Philadelphia Academy of School Leaders
    Carnegie Foundation For the Advancement of Teaching
    Cool Boys Communicate Inc 
    Do Your Fudging Homework:
    Hope/Megan: Check out Cool Boys Communicate Inc and Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching
    Patrice: Embody the idea that someone is relying on you. Get started on your journey and bring someone along

    Ep. 87: A Letter to the 55%

    Ep. 87: A Letter to the 55%

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    EQ: How did we go from the Woke White Women Movement that embraced BLM and rejected PSL in April to 55% of White women voting for Trump in November? 
    We start this episode trying to build our empathy for all the basic white women out there by taste testing pumpkin spice flavored thing. We then launch into a discussion how shameful it is that white voters STILL vote for Trump DESPITE the last four years. As hhhwhite women ourselves (or white passing in Megan’s case), we feel especially convicted to “get our girls.” Ultimately, this conversation boils down to the fact that white women MUST do better and we cannot let our foot off the gas just because Biden is elected.
    Jumps on soapbox: Equity is not a hat that you wear. Where you do a couple posts on your social media, read a book, and then you can walk away from it for the rest of the week, thinking you checked the box. It is simply not enough. Equity should be a value you carry with yourself all of the time. It should be a part of you and how you walk through life. Steps off soapbox
    Related Sources:
    Vox: We Need To Talk about the white people who voted for Trump
    Vogue 2018 Piece “Why Do White Women Keep Voting for the GOP” 
    White Women: Most Divided Voting Bloc
    Story of Phyllis Schalfly
    Champagne & Real Pain:
    🥂 The Judges who have absolutely no patience for the ridiculous lawsuits the Trump campaign is filing. Read the transcripts, they’re great.
    👎🏻 The Texas Lieutenant Governor who offered up $1 million to anybody that could come forward with proof of election fraud… BUT a Champagne for the PA Lieutenant Governor who came back with the best tweet in response!
    Do your fudging HW:
    Megan & Hope: DO THE WORK.

    Ep. 86: Raising STEMinists

    Ep. 86: Raising STEMinists

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    EQ: What does equity in science education in the Corona Era look like and how might teachers continue to evolve their practices to engage students in a virtual space?
    Guest: Chanel Johnson, science educator. Check her bio and interview from  Leading Equity and Interview with Teachers on Fire. 
    Of course we had to ask Chanel a little bit about the historic role Georgia is playing in the 2020 elections. However, our main conversation focuses on figuring out what it means to be a STEMinist and how to encourage students of color to see themselves as scientists. Chanel also gives us insight into how importance Science education is in the middle of a pandemic. Lastly, she shares resources and ideas to help teachers intentionally embed culturally responsive teaching practices in a virtual context?
    We’re excited to announce a collab with The Nerd Farmer podcast. We’re both going to be reading and recording episodes on the book Caste by Isabel Wilkerson. Tweet about the book with either #nerdfarmreads or #readlessbasic
    Champagne & Real Pain:
    🥂 YO, BIDEN IS PRESIDENT-ELECT!!!!!!!
    Do Your Fudging Homework:
    Megan: Watch Chanel’s interview with Teachers on Fire! The link will be in the show notes
    Hope: Order and read Chanel’s book “The Gyrlfriend Code: Sorority Edition”; Also, KEEP DOING THE WORK.

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
47 Ratings

47 Ratings

kaylahipp14 ,

One of my favorites from Channel253!

As a white woman in education, this podcast is one of my go to resources for how to be anti-racist in my particular context. I always learn something new from the conversations Hope and Annie (and now Hope and Megan!) have with amazing guests. These conversations have been especially important and grounding during this unprecedented back to school season. Thank you IWL and Channel253 for this awesome podcast!

Joshtromero ,

Excellent.

I have really enjoyed listening to this podcast, they are discussing issues that desperately need to be addressed, especially among the white moderate. I especially love the episodes interviewing some of the prominent voices in today’s social justice movement.

SraChancla ,

Listen!

This podcast is extremely relevant. The hosts are critical thinkers who are in touch with the community and their practice. Anyone in education needs to listen. Start from the beginning!!! Recommend big time!

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