Kratom Sobriety

Lily, Jacob, Nolan, and Charlie
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Leaving the leaf for the problematic kratom user. Helping people abstain from kratom.

  1. 3D AGO

    E180 Elliot Returns

    Recently, we've had a trend of welcoming back old guests mostly to celebrate anniversary milestones but in Elliot's case, he is returning to warn about the risk of relapse.  After being almost off kratom for three years - June 2022 to March 2025 - Elliot tried 7-OH during a stressful time in his life.  After about 9 months, and getting up to 2,000 mg at a cost of $300 day at his extreme, he is now back on track.  Elliot's first appearance in May 2023: https://kratomsobriety.podbean.com/e/2-interview-with-elliot/    Checkout the new 12-step group focused on kratom: Home | Kratom Anonymous https://www.kratom-anonymous.org/    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424  https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00

    31 min

  2. 12/28/2025

    E179 Middle Ground Kratom Regulation

    Kratom was banned in Connecticut and Louisiana this year, as well as in scores of cities. Ohio and California, two big states, are taking significant actions to crack down on kratom in 2025. What are the alternatives? This episode explores a middle-ground approach to kratom regulation that rejects both total bans and weak, industry-written rules. We introduce six common-sense protections, including point-of-sale education, clear medical warnings, behind-the-counter sales, age verification for online purchases, naloxone availability, and strict limits on high-potency extracts. The goal is to make kratom use safer by offering pre-purchase digital counselling, reducing impulsive purchases, protecting youth, and limiting the most addictive and dangerous products while preserving adult access to lower-risk leaf forms. READ MORE: https://kratomsobriety.com/f/middle-ground-kratom-regulations   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424  https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00

    16 min

  3. 12/21/2025

    E178 Ramey Returns

    Jacob and Lily discuss how the hosts let guests tell their story from their point of view, and as a podcast we are not able to vet people before they are interviewed. Ramey celebrates two years off kratom with Natalie. To connect with the meetings discussed in the interview, please visit: https://kratomquitters.com/    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424  https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00

    45 min

  4. 12/14/2025

    E177 Thomas

    Episode focused on quitting kratom with a lockbox as a tool. In the interview this week, Gen-Xer Thomas (long-time primarily a powder user with many attempted quits) describes the challenge as: "Addiction lies to you in your own voice".   Lockbox links (like always we don't get any commissions if you buy one): https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/style/lockable-box-container.html https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/home-products/g35902030/top-time-locking-containers  https://www.thekitchensafe.com/   A rough estimate of Thomas' end of day dose before he quit: Three heaping tablespoons of kratom powder ≈ 18–24 grams. Here is how that breaks down: A) 1 level tablespoon of kratom powder is usually about 5–7 grams B) A heaping tablespoon is typically 6–8 grams C) 3 heaping tablespoons → 6–8 g × 3 = 18–24 g Kratom powder density varies by grind, moisture, and how loosely it is scooped. "Heaping” is very subjective. Some heaps are modest, others are piled high. Volume measures are unreliable for kratom. A digital scale is the only accurate way to know dose. 18–24 grams is considered a very high dose for most people and is well into a range associated with dependence, tolerance escalation, and withdrawal risk.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424  https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00

    43 min

  5. 12/07/2025

    E176 Cornel Stanciu, M.D. discusses 7-OH

    Episode focused on 7-OH. Dr. Stanciu's credentials: https://geiselmed.dartmouth.edu/faculty/facultydb/view.php/?uid=7021  Article Charlie & Jazz discuss about 7-OH potency in guinea pig intestines: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0024320505008167  FDA document Dr. Stancui refers to: https://www.fda.gov/media/187900/download   News article about 7-OH bust from end of open: https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/breaking-bad-on-steroids-palm-bay-brevard-county-florida-drugs-kratom-7-oh-explosives-bust/    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00

    45 min

  6. 11/30/2025

    175 Melanie Returns to Celebrate a Year Off 7-OH

    Melanie (episode 110 from January 2025) returns to celebrate a year off 7-OH (quit date October 27, 2024). She is one of our first guests to discuss getting addicted specifically to 7-hydroxymitragynine products. Melanie also did not have any previous history of disordered substance use prior to this addiction. In follow-up questions after the interview, she texted Charlie the following responses - Melanie: Got up to spending $75 to $100 per day on 7-OH right before quitting. Took three and half days off of work during her detox. Never had withdrawals from mitragynine extract because she never took those daily.  Getting laid-off from work six months after quitting was not related to her 7-OH addiction, though she did temporarily drink a little more to cope the first month she was unemployed.  Several Statement Clarifications & Sources from Episode A. Charlie refers to 7-OH being “13 times more potent than morphine” The often-cited idea that 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-OH) is “~13 times more potent than morphine” comes from receptor-level and animal data, not direct human dose equivalence. It refers to higher potency at the mu-opioid receptor and stronger analgesic effects in preclinical models.  Source: Obeng S. et al. 7-Hydroxymitragynine Is an Active Metabolite of Mitragynine and a Key Mediator of Its Analgesic Effects. ACS Central Science, 2019. https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acscentsci.9b00141 B. Melanie and Charlie talk about 7-OH’s “half-life of 3 hours” Human pharmacokinetic data show that 7-OH has a relatively short half-life (on the order of a few hours, depending on dosing and conditions), so “around three hours” is a reasonable simplification for listeners.  Source: Obeng S. et al. Human Mitragynine and 7-Hydroxymitragynine Pharmacokinetics after Oral Dosing of a Mitragynine-Rich Kratom Extract. Molecules, 2024; 29(5):984. https://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/29/5/984 C. Melanie says “it’s basically like heroin / legal heroin” This reflects Melanie’s personal subjective experience with high-potency 7-OH extract products. While 7-OH acts on opioid receptors and can cause dependence and withdrawal, kratom alkaloids differ from heroin in chemical structure, potency, and overdose profile.  Source: Gorelick DA. Kratom: Substance of Abuse or Therapeutic Plant? Psychiatric Clinics of North America, 2022; 45(3):415–430. https://www.psych.theclinics.com/article/S0193-953X(22)00027-2/fulltext D. Charlie and Melanie discuss “synthetic kratom” Kratom leaves naturally contain mitragynine, and after drying and oxidation, trace amounts of 7-OH. Many 7-OH products contain synthetic or semi-synthetic analogs not found in the plant. These products can be far stronger than traditional kratom powder and carry different risks. Source: Prevete E. et al. A Preliminary Inventory of Kratom (Mitragyna speciosa) Products and Vendors on the Darknet and Cryptomarkets. Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, 2024; 56(4):485–495. https://doi.org/10.1080/02791072.2023.2242361  E. Charlie compares 7-OH as “the cocaine of coca” This analogy is meant to illustrate the difference between a traditional plant product and its purified, concentrated alkaloid such as 7-OH. Coca leaves contain low levels of cocaine alkaloids and have historically been used in relatively mild ways, while cocaine is a chemically isolated, highly potent derivative. By analogy, ultra-potent 7-OH kratom extracts/synthetics are to kratom leaf what cocaine is to coca leaf: a conceptual comparison, not a direct pharmacological equivalence.  Source: Naranjo PL. Social Function of Coca in Pre-Columbian America. Journal of Ethnopharmacology, 1981; 3(2–3):161–172. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0378874181900520   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00

    43 min

  7. 11/23/2025

    E174 Stewart

    Charlie introduces Rosa as a new cohost (episode #54 used the alias Sofia). In the interview, Natalie sits down with Stewart, a husband, father of three, and self-employed handyman from Mesa, Arizona, who is celebrating one year of sobriety from kratom. Stewart shares a candid story of how kratom entered his life, how his use escalated, and the impact it had on his health, family, and sense of purpose. He got up to 80 grams per day, tapered down, and used a faith-based 12-step program and help of his family to quit kratom. The online kratom-specific recovery community Stewart and Natalie discuss: Quitting Kratom Support https://kratomquitters.com    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00

    54 min

  8. 11/16/2025

    E173 Matt B. Returns to Discuss "QuitKit"

    Jacob and Jazz talk about the growing presence of kratom extract products in stores, concerns about their sale, and efforts to offer healthier alternatives. In this week's interview, Jazz chats with Matt to discuss the progress he has made since his appearance on Episode #98. Matt shares new insights from his recovery journey and explains how his QuitKit product has become a valuable resource not only for himself, but also for others seeking support.  Discount Code: KSP-15 for QuitKit Try Quit Kit – Backed by Science, Built for You https://tryquitkit.com/    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00

    52 min
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Leaving the leaf for the problematic kratom user. Helping people abstain from kratom.

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  • Creator
    Lily, Jacob, Nolan, and Charlie
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    180
  • Rating
    Explicit
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    Kratom Sobriety

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