Let's Talk EVM

Co-hosts: Amber Young and Barbara Phillips

A public service podcast to engage with the Earned Value Management (EVM) community

  1. Episode 15: Optimization vs. Elimination with Craig Hewitt

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    Episode 15: Optimization vs. Elimination with Craig Hewitt

    This episode, Optimization vs. Elimination, explores a deceptively simple question: when it comes to improving our EVM systems, are we truly optimizing—or are we eliminating something we still need? Amber Young and Barbara Phillips are joined by Craig Hewitt, bringing decades of experience across project management and earned value environments, to unpack a distinction that shows up more often than we realize. What begins as a conversation about terminology quickly opens into something deeper—how we think about tailoring, scalability, and the decisions we make when shaping our programs and contracts. At a high level, this discussion moves beyond definitions and into intent. Optimization is often positioned as refinement—adjusting, aligning, improving. Elimination, on the other hand, can quietly shift the system in more fundamental ways. The conversation explores where those lines blur, and how concepts like tailoring and scalability are sometimes used interchangeably, even when they serve very different purposes in practice . There’s also a broader thread running through the episode: the idea that optimization is not a fixed state, but something continuously pursued. It raises the question of how much structure is enough—and how much is too much—depending on the nature of the work, the contract, and the outcomes we’re trying to achieve . This is a conversation for practitioners who have ever wrestled with how to right-size an EVMS, balance rigor with practicality, or make decisions that shape not just compliance, but performance. It’s a reminder that how we define improvement ultimately shapes what we build—and what we leave behind. Bonus - Learn about the foundational data quality principle: CACRAC. - Check out the EFCOG Project Delivery Working Group newsletter, The Practitioner: https://efcog.org/pdwg-practitioners/

    38 phút
  2. Episode 14: Agile - Are We Actually on Time? with Ivan Bembers

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    Episode 14: Agile - Are We Actually on Time? with Ivan Bembers

    Episode 14, Agile – Are We Actually on Time?, dives into a question that’s been quietly sitting at the intersection of Agile and Earned Value Management: when we say we’re “on time”… what do we actually mean? Amber Young and Barbara Phillips are joined again by recurring guest ⁠Ivan Bembers⁠ for a thoughtful and candid conversation that challenges assumptions on both sides. Rather than framing Agile and EVM as competing approaches, this episode explores where they align, where they diverge, and where misunderstandings tend to creep in. At a high level, the discussion centers on visibility—how progress is measured, communicated, and interpreted in Agile environments versus traditional EVMS structures. It also leans into a core tension Ivan highlights: the balance between speed and control. As teams move faster and embrace iterative delivery, what gets gained in agility—and what risks being lost in oversight, discipline, or clarity? Throughout the episode, Ivan brings a grounded, practitioner perspective, helping to unpack these tradeoffs without oversimplifying them. The conversation doesn’t aim to resolve the tension—instead, it invites listeners to think more critically about how speed, structure, and insight can (and should) coexist. This is a conversation for anyone navigating the space between Agile and EVM—especially those who have ever felt confident in the data, only to pause and ask what it’s really telling them.

    31 phút
  3. Episode 13: EVM SMEs in the House

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    Episode 13: EVM SMEs in the House

    Episode 13, EVM SMEs in the House, brings a different kind of energy to the podcast—unscripted, candid, and straight from the field. Recorded on location in Cape Canaveral, Amber Young and Barbara Phillips found themselves surrounded by a group of EVM SMEs (subject matter experts) and did what any good hosts would do: handed them the mic. What follows is a series of quick-hit perspectives, reactions, and insights from across the earned value community—each guest answering a question of their choosing in real time. What makes this episode stand out is its spontaneity. There’s no single narrative thread—instead, it’s a collection of voices that together paint a picture of how people actually experience EVM in practice. From favorite metrics and tools, to first impressions of EVM, to what makes it feel harder than it should be, the answers reveal both the diversity and the common ground within the community. At the same time, Amber and Barbara anchor the episode with a bigger idea: the importance of integration. The conversation touches on a recurring challenge in EVM—bringing together schedule and cost into a single, coherent source of truth—and why that integration is still harder than it should be. It’s a theme that connects many of the perspectives you’ll hear throughout the episode. There’s also a forward-looking thread woven in, exploring how emerging ideas like centralized data environments and AI might reshape how we interact with EVM data in the future. But rather than offering definitive answers, the episode leans into curiosity—highlighting where the discipline is evolving and where questions still remain. This episode is less about teaching and more about listening. It offers a snapshot of the community: how practitioners think, what they value, and what continues to challenge them. Whether you’re deep in the field or just getting started, it’s a reminder that EVM is not just a system—it’s a shared practice shaped by the people who use it every day.

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  4. Episode 11: The Case for Transformative Change with Dave Kester and Daniel Goldsmith

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    Episode 11: The Case for Transformative Change with Dave Kester and Daniel Goldsmith

    Episode 11 explores a big question facing the earned value community today: is incremental improvement enough, or is it time for something more transformative? Amber Young and Barbara Phillips are joined by returning guest Daniel Goldsmith and special guest Dave Kester for a thoughtful conversation about the case for transformative change in how Earned Value Management Systems are understood, implemented, and assessed. With decades of experience across government and industry, Dave brings a perspective shaped by nearly 40 years in project management, including leadership roles at the Department of Energy. The discussion centers on a growing recognition within the community that improving EVMS may require more than small adjustments to compliance practices. Instead, the conversation explores the idea of rethinking the broader system: the structures, behaviors, and organizational culture that influence whether EVMS actually delivers useful, credible data for decision-making. A key theme throughout the episode is the role of environment. Drawing on research conducted through the Arizona State University IP2M METRR study, the guests discuss the emerging understanding that EVMS maturity is closely tied to the environment surrounding a project. In other words, culture, collaboration, leadership behavior, and stakeholder alignment may matter just as much as the technical mechanics of the system itself. Listeners will also hear insights from a real-world facilitation of an IP2M METRR environment assessment conducted during the week of the recording. The group shares what these assessments look like in practice, how they bring together different stakeholder perspectives, and how structured conversations around culture, people, practices, and resources can reveal pressure points that traditional compliance reviews might miss. The conversation touches on the power of “light-bulb moments” when project teams begin to see how communication, collaboration, and shared understanding shape the effectiveness of their EVMS. It also explores how a more collaborative, non-punitive approach can help teams surface honest insights and move toward meaningful improvement. At its core, this episode is about rethinking how we pursue project success. Instead of focusing only on the mechanics of the system, the discussion invites listeners to consider the human and organizational factors that ultimately determine whether earned value becomes a powerful management tool—or just another reporting requirement. For practitioners, program leaders, and anyone interested in the future of earned value, this episode offers a thought-provoking look at where the discipline may be headed next.

    32 phút
  5. Episode 10: Scheduling - Focus on Critical Path with Kenny Arnold

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    Episode 10: Scheduling - Focus on Critical Path with Kenny Arnold

    Episode 10 turns its attention to one of the most talked-about — and most misunderstood — ideas in scheduling: the critical path. Amber Young and Barbara Phillips are joined by ⁠Kenny Arnold⁠ of SSI for a focused conversation on what the critical path really is, why it matters, and why getting it wrong can quietly distort how a team sees risk, urgency, and progress. Kenny brings a rare perspective to the discussion: he is not only a practitioner in the earned value and scheduling space, but also the developer behind tools built specifically to analyze driving and critical paths inside Microsoft Project. That combination makes this episode especially rich for listeners who want more than a surface-level explanation. What makes this episode worth your time is that it does not stop at textbook definitions. It gets into the real-world tension between theory and practice — how scheduling language is used, misused, stretched, and interpreted differently depending on the tool, the stakeholder, and the context. If you have ever sat in a review meeting and heard people confidently say critical path while meaning three different things, this conversation will feel very familiar. At a higher level, this episode is really about focus. How do you know what deserves attention now? How do you distinguish what is truly driving a milestone from what simply looks important? And how do you build schedules that are not just technically compliant, but actually useful for decision-making? Kenny helps unpack why those questions matter so much, especially when teams are trying to use schedules as management tools rather than static reporting artifacts. The conversation also opens up broader insights about the relationship between schedulers and CAMs, the importance of naming conventions and schedule structure, and why a healthy schedule is about more than software settings. There is a strong undercurrent here about communication, clarity, and craftsmanship — the idea that good scheduling is not just data entry, but analysis, interpretation, and disciplined thinking. You will also hear references to the broader scheduling community and best-practice guidance, including the PASEG, which makes this episode especially useful for listeners who want to connect day-to-day schedule work to the larger body of practice behind it. This is a great episode for schedulers, CAMs, project controls professionals, and program managers alike — especially anyone who wants to sharpen how they think about schedule logic, criticality, and what it really means to manage a project proactively. It will likely leave you with new questions, stronger instincts, and a renewed respect for the complexity hiding inside a single phrase: focus on critical path.

    46 phút
  6. Episode 9: Portfolio Performance Management with John Driessnack

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    Episode 9: Portfolio Performance Management with John Driessnack

    Episode 9, Portfolio Performance Management, steps back from the single-project view and asks a bigger question: how do leaders actually manage performance when the real work lives in a portfolio — dozens of programs, evolving priorities, shared resources, and outcomes that can’t be captured by one set of project metrics. Amber Young and Barbara Phillips are joined by ⁠John Driessnack⁠, a longtime program and portfolio practitioner with deep roots in earned value, standards work, and teaching leadership. Together, they unpack why portfolio performance management is having a moment right now — not because it’s new, but because the quality and portability of data has finally caught up to the ambition. If you’ve ever felt like your organization has plenty of data but not enough clarity, this episode is for you. What makes this conversation worth a listen is that it doesn’t treat portfolio management like a buzzword or a bigger spreadsheet. John introduces a way of thinking that reframes portfolio performance as a strategic discipline: aligning work to outcomes, understanding capacity and capability, and making decisions that create synergy across programs — value that no single project can deliver on its own. You’ll also hear a fascinating thread that connects the past to the future: stories from the early days of schedule performance measurement, what’s changed since the era of mainframes and hand-drawn WBS and OBS charts, and why those roots matter as we move toward modern centralized repositories and more standardized data exchange. It’s both a history lesson and a hint at where the field is headed next. And if you’re working anywhere near defense, government, or large-scale portfolios, the stakes are real: the conversation touches on a shifting landscape where portfolio accountability is becoming more formalized — including the emergence of the PAE, Portfolio Acquisition Executive — and where the expectations for how portfolios are measured, baselined, and managed are evolving fast. This episode is less about giving you all the answers and more about opening up the right questions — the kind that change how you think about performance, leadership, and what it really means to manage value at scale. You’ll leave with new mental models, a few aha moments, and a strong urge to keep listening. John also shares where to find his work on LinkedIn, including his newsletter ⁠Portfolio Acq Executive (PAE)⁠, for anyone who wants to follow the ideas beyond the episode.

    44 phút
  7. Episode 8: For the Love of Scheduling with Lisa Hastings

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    Episode 8: For the Love of Scheduling with Lisa Hastings

    February is our month of EVM love, so we’re calling this one—affectionately—“For the Love of Scheduling.” In this episode, Amber Young and Barbara Phillips are joined by ⁠Lisa Hastings⁠, a respected scheduling leader with two decades of experience across defense programs, development efforts, and earned value environments. This conversation steps back from day-to-day mechanics and looks at scheduling through a wider lens: why it remains foundational to program performance, what distinguishes a credible schedule from one that simply looks good on paper, and how strong schedulers contribute far beyond maintaining timelines. Lisa brings a practitioner’s perspective to the evolving role of the scheduling analyst, highlighting the blend of analytical thinking, technical understanding, and communication skills that modern programs demand. The episode also touches on the realities of building scheduling capability within organizations — from developing entry-level talent to shaping career paths — along with how teams should think about schedule quality, metrics, and the intent behind common assessment approaches. Rather than treating measures as rigid scorecards, the discussion centers on how they can inform judgment, decision-making, and program insight. We also explore the broader professional landscape of scheduling, including the influence of industry guidance such as the⁠ Planning & Scheduling Excellence Guide (PASEG)⁠, a widely used resource developed collaboratively by government and industry. For listeners looking to deepen their understanding of scheduling principles and best practices, PASEG serves as an important reference point in the discipline. Finally, the conversation turns toward the future, reflecting on how data, tools, and emerging technologies like AI are reshaping how schedules are analyzed, interpreted, and used — while reinforcing the enduring value of human expertise in turning information into action. Whether you’re a scheduler, program manager, CAM, or simply someone who depends on schedules to make decisions, this episode offers a thoughtful and engaging perspective on why scheduling continues to sit at the heart of effective program management.

    32 phút

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