In Episode 672 of the New Media Show, host 2017 Podcast Hall of Famer Rob Greenlee welcomes Leo Laporte, founder and owner of the TWiT Podcast Network, longtime technology broadcaster, and 2015 Podcast Hall of Famer. He launched TWiT in 2005 and built one of the earliest independent technology media networks around a simple idea: make strong shows, distribute them everywhere the audience wants to watch or listen, and build a real relationship with the people who return every week. Leo has spent decades at the center of the shift from broadcast radio and cable television into online shows, podcasts, livestreams, video, and creator-led media. This conversation looks at where that model is heading now. The word “podcast” helped define an era of downloadable audio, RSS feeds, and iPods. Today, audiences find shows through YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Netflix, social platforms, livestreams, clips, newsletters, and communities. Most viewers or listeners do not care how a show is technically delivered. They care whether it is easy to find, worth their attention, and made by people they trust. Rob and Leo discuss why the technical barrier to starting a show has fallen so far, while the challenge of creating meaningful content has never gone away. Anyone can publish. Building a show that earns repeat attention takes perspective, consistency, subject knowledge, and a genuine relationship with an audience. Leo reflects on TWiT’s early video strategy, its experiments with live 24/7 programming, and the importance of creating a sense of place around a media brand. Video can deepen audience connection, while audio remains one of the most personal forms of media because it travels with listeners through daily life. The discussion also explores the growing complexity of distribution and measurement. Audio and video are increasingly becoming one media experience, yet advertisers still face fragmented metrics across RSS, YouTube, streaming platforms, and social video. Rob and Leo talk about Apple HLS video, the gap between download metrics and actual consumption, the limitations of existing IAB measurement standards, and why advertiser confidence still often comes down to audience fit and trusted host-read relationships. A strong audience relationship has more long-term value than a number on a dashboard that may not fully reflect who watched, listened, responded, or bought. Leo also shares his view that AI is a major structural technology transition. TWiT has expanded its coverage through Intelligent Machines, looking at AI, robotics, and the impact these tools will have on work, media, and daily life. AI can help creators research, edit, generate visuals, improve production workflows, translate content, and extend the usefulness of existing media. It can also generate massive volumes of generic content, clone voices, and make it harder for audiences to know what is real. Rob and Leo discuss whether clearly identified and certified human-led media may become more valuable as synthetic content becomes harder to distinguish from authentic work. They agree that human perspective, lived experience, spontaneity, and community will continue to matter deeply in a media environment crowded with automated output. The episode closes with a look at the next generation of media habits. Leo points to the rise of short-form scrolling, social video, and new creator business models, while also making the case for long-form conversations and communities that bring people together instead of pushing them further apart. For creators and media companies, the path forward is still clear: build work that people value, meet the audience where they are, stay flexible as platforms change, and create relationships strong enough to survive the next technology shift. Topic Chapter Time Stamp Markers: 00:00 — Welcome to The New Media Show Episode 672 Rob Greenlee introduces Leo Laporte and sets up the episode around online new media, podcasting, video, AI, and where media is heading next. 02:15 — Leo Laporte Joins the Conversation Leo reflects on how long he and Rob have been part of the early era of podcasting and online media. 02:45 — Is It Still New Media? Rob and Leo discuss whether “new media” still works as a term, and why podcasting may now be part of a much larger media category. 03:30 — Why Leo Wanted to Call Podcasts “Netcasts” Leo explains why he resisted the term “podcast” early on and why he still thinks creators are really making shows. 04:35 — Podcasting Beyond the Download The conversation moves into YouTube, Netflix, Spotify, RSS, streaming, and why the audience cares more about access than the delivery format. 05:25 — Be Everywhere the Audience Wants You Leo explains one of TWiT’s core decisions: distribute content wherever listeners and viewers want to consume it. 06:10 — Discovery Is the New Challenge Podcasting is easier to access than ever, but harder to discover because audiences now have millions of choices. 07:35 — Why Starting Is Easy but Building a Show Is Hard Leo explains that technical barriers have fallen, but the real challenge remains content, authenticity, and audience connection. 09:20 — Talent, Audience, and the Return of Media Gatekeeping Rob and Leo discuss whether attention is consolidating again around fewer large creators and channels. 10:25 — Audience Size vs Real Business Value Leo separates building an audience from building a media business and explains why YouTube monetization still requires scale. 11:05 — Radio, Podcasting, and the Early TWiT Model Leo talks about his radio background, his first podcast from 2004, and how broadcasting and podcasting share the same core idea. 12:05 — The Brick House Studio and Legitimacy Leo explains why TWiT built a large studio: to show advertisers and audiences that online media could be a serious media business. 13:05 — Video Was Always Part of the Plan Rob and Leo talk about how TWiT was doing video years before the current “video podcasting” push. 13:40 — Audio Intimacy vs Video Presence Leo explains why radio creates intimacy, while video adds place, presence, and a different kind of audience relationship. 16:05 — TWiT as a Lean-Back Media Network Leo describes his early vision for TWiT as a low-cost version of CNN or CNBC for technology coverage. 17:00 — 24/7 Streaming and Live Community The conversation covers TWiT’s 24/7 stream, live programming, behind-the-scenes feel, and why raw authenticity helped the brand. 18:40 — Why Technology Was the Right Beat Leo explains why covering technology kept TWiT relevant through major shifts from the iPhone to AI. 20:35 — AI as the Next Major Technology Shift Leo compares AI to structural technology changes and explains why he sees it as a major long-term shift. 22:20 — From This Week in Google to Intelligent Machines Leo discusses rebranding a TWiT show around AI and robotics as the center of technology coverage moved. 23:15 — Can AI Create Real Media? Rob asks Leo about AI-generated content, and Leo explains why he still believes humans will remain central to media creation. 24:20 — AI Tools, Voice Cloning, and Advertising Leo talks about using AI tools, ElevenLabs voice cloning, and the potential for AI-generated ad reads. 25:25 — Why Human Spontaneity Still Matters Rob and Leo discuss whether AI clones can capture the same timing, originality, and human presence as real creators. 26:35 — Zune, Apple, Siri, and AI Adoption A lighter segment on Zune leads into Apple’s AI plans and how mainstream users may begin to understand AI’s practical value. 27:45 — AI Backlash, Jobs, and Human Value Rob and Leo discuss AI anxiety, job disruption, retraining, and why people need to understand where their human value lies. 29:30 — Will the Word Podcast Survive? Rob asks whether “podcast” will remain the right term as audiences define the medium more than creators or platforms do. 30:40 — Shows, Creators, and Human Creation Leo argues that “show” may be the better word and reflects on why humans are naturally driven to create. 33:05 — Apple HLS and the Audio-Video Merge Rob and Leo discuss Apple HLS, streaming formats, video RSS, audio RSS, and the shift toward combined audio-video experiences. 37:05 — Measurement Across Audio, Video, and Platforms The conversation turns to the challenge of consistent measurement across RSS, YouTube, Apple, Spotify, and other platforms. 38:20 — Host-Read Ads, Video Ads, and Dynamic Insertion Leo explains how TWiT handles baked-in host reads, dynamic ad insertion, and the coming shift toward video ad insertion. 39:10 — The Problem with Podcast Metrics Leo explains why measuring podcast consumption remains messy, especially across corporate networks, mobile listening, and YouTube. 41:10 — Why Attribution Still Falls Short Rob and Leo discuss why promo codes, attribution links, and dashboards do not fully capture real audience behavior. 43:15 — Trust as the Real Advertising Asset Leo explains why TWiT’s value to advertisers comes from trusted hosts, engaged audiences, and long-term sponsor relationships. 45:00 — Podcasting 2.0 and Shared Economic Models Rob introduces the idea of shared value between advertisers, apps, creators, and listeners, and Leo reacts to the concept. 46:15 — Oxford Road, Dan Granger, and New Metrics Rob brings up Dan Granger’s work around new podcast measurement standards and the 30-second vs 60-second listener discussion. 47:35 — Why Creator-Side Metrics Matter Leo explains why he is skeptical of advertiser-driven measurement systems and why inflated podcast numbers damaged trust. 49:15 — Subscriptions, Membership, and Reducing Ad Dependence Leo explains why audience-supported media would be ideal and how TWiT’s paid club fits into the business model. 50:20
