Non Linear Learning - Rethinking Education for Neurodivergent Learners

Dr. Vaish Sarathy
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Where we raise the bar on Education for children with a disability. Educating a child with a disability isn't for the faint of heart, and if you're a parent or educator who refuses to give up on your child's potential, you're in the right place. Hosted by TEDx speaker and Ph.D. Chemist Dr. Vaish Sarathy [mom to a non-speaking Autistic teen with Down syndrome], this podcast offers a bold new way to support your child's learning, regulation, and independence without burnout or arbitrary busy work. Together we explore how to: - Break learning barriers so your child with Autism / Down Syndrome / ADHD can learn complex Math and Science - Make teaching and learning at home a flow state - Support brain + body health with practical, science-backed tools - Use Non Linear Education strategies to unlock growth in ways traditional systems never could Hear from top educators, researchers, and self-advocates. And most importantly, believe again: in your child, and in yourself.

  1. 4D AGO

    201. Is School Costing Your Child Too Much? A Homeschooling Conversation

    Homeschooling sometimes begins when parents realize the education system is not serving their child.  In this episode of Non Linear Learning, Dr. Vaish Sarathy speaks with Victoria Lenormand, a former detective turned holistic health practitioner and homeschooling parent, about what it takes to trust a child's internal compass and let go of conventional definitions of success. Victoria brings an evidence-based perspective to homeschooling. Trained to observe patterns and follow facts, she applied that same mindset to her son's learning and recognized that a linear schooling model was taking enormous energy just to maintain — without supporting his identity or growth. Together, Vaish and Victoria explore: How to build the mindset needed for homeschooling The 3 factors learning is built around when done right.  How to interpret stubbornness or "wilfulness" in a way that works for your child, and  Why the energy cost of education is critical information for parents This conversation is for parents considering homeschooling, questioning traditional schooling, or feeling the constant friction between who their child is and what school expects. As we reflect in the episode: "When something in education takes enormous energy just to maintain, it's worth asking whether it's actually working." Resources Victoria Lenormand's parent community: https://www.geminidirections.co.uk You can find Vaish at www.instagram.com/drvaishsarathy

    35 min

  2. JAN 1

    200. Five "Helpful" Parenting Tips That Limit Autistic Learning

    Parents of Autistic children and children with Down syndrome are often given advice that sounds compassionate, reasonable, and supportive. But much of it slowly limits learning, flexibility, autonomy, and long-term growth. In this milestone Episode 200 of Non Linear Learning, Dr. Vaish Sarathy challenges 5 common pieces of parenting and education advice that unintentionally lower expectations and shift focus away from real learning. In this episode, you'll learn why Dr. Vaish challenges: • Strict routines and rigid structure — and how too much predictability reduces tolerance for learning and change • Traditional support groups — and how shared grief can quietly stall progress ... and more  This episode is for parents who: • Have been told academics can wait • Feel uneasy about advice that sounds kind but feels limiting • Want age-appropriate, intellectually rich education for their child Resources Learn how to teach real academics non-linearly, without waiting for "readiness," inside Non Linear Education.

    13 min

  3. 12/08/2025

    199 Evidence, Rage, and Relief: A Mom–Son Team on Finding Spelled Communication

    When 8-year-old non-speaking autistic Rafael found text-based communication, he didn't just start "answering questions." He started telling the truth about his body, his anxiety, and the frustration of being misunderstood.   If you've ever looked at your non-speaking child and thought, "I know there's more in there… I just don't know how to reach it," this conversation is for you.   Today I'm joined by Daria and her 8-year-old autistic, non-speaking son Rafael, co-creators of Spelling the Tea on Autism on Substack and Instagram. After discovering text-based communication, they realized how deeply Rafael had been misunderstood - and started documenting both his words and the science that helps explain them.   Inside the episode, we talk about: Rafael's "goner mindset" before communication and what typing changed about his sense of the future. How apraxia creates a gap between intention and movement and why that gap gets mislabeled as "low IQ," "behavior," or "non-compliance." The concept of an "interference score" for food! How Rafael would redesign first in schools for non-speakers. Why regulation, communication, and learning are inseparable… and why independence in cognition does not mean independence in motor and sensory systems.   This is a humbling, practical, and very human reminder that: We can't keep separating "behavior," "sensory," and "cognitive" boxes. Research on autism that excludes non-speakers cannot be our only compass. And most importantly: sitting still is not a pre-requisite for real thinking or rigorous education.   You can find Daria and Rafael at https://www.instagram.com/spelling_the_tea_on_autism/ and https://spellingthetea.substack.com/   You can find Dr. Vaish Sarathy at https://www.instagram.com/drvaishsarathy/ Check out her 6 foundational tips on education at https://www.drvaishsarathy.com/nonlinearlearning

    43 min

  4. 11/28/2025

    198 How Understanding Apraxia changes your child's Education - with Dana Johnson

    I first spoke with Dana Johnson nearly 4 years ago, and that conversation completely changed how I saw vision and learning. I call it my "ocular motor awakening" when I truly understood that vision has three components, and only one of them is corrected by glasses. Dana is the co-creator of the Spellers Method and the founder of multiple centers dedicated to helping non-speaking individuals communicate and learn with purpose. As both an occupational therapist (OT) and a Spellers Method practitioner, she brings a unique approach to supporting individuals with autism, apraxia, dyspraxia, and sensory-motor differences. In this episode, we talk about the power of purposeful motor skills, breaking down barriers for non-speakers, and what real communication means. Key Takeaways: Vision isn't just about eyesight it's about how the brain processes what we see. Apraxia is a motor planning challenge, not a cognitive one. Communication is possible when we focus on purposeful motor skills. What does right support look like? Get in Touch: 👉 Learn more about Dana Johnson's work at Spellers Method Tampa 👉 Connect with Dr. Vaish Sarathy on Instagram: @drvaishsarathy

    43 min

  5. 11/17/2025

    197 Beyond Burnout: GABA Support, Mitochondria, and Realistic Help for Parents of Autistic Kids

    If you're parenting an Autistic child and living in a state of constant alert (sensory overwhelm, dysregulation, sleepless nights, meltdowns, and the never-ending to-do list), this episode gives you a concrete biochemical map for how to get back to baseline. In today's conversation,I'm joined by Dr. Scott Sherr board certified internal medicine physician, certified practitioner of Health Optimization Medicine, and COO of Troscriptions, a company making physician formulated, precision-dosed buccal troches for focus, stress, sleep, and immune function. We talk about: What is the "sympathetic spiral of doom." What GABA deficiency actually looks like (and why calming down isn't as simple as "go meditate"). Why mitochondrial dysfunction and chronic inflammation show up so strongly in autistic and disabled kids and how supporting cellular energy can actualy reduce hyper-excitability. The real problem with giving kids 10–20 supplements at once. How targeted support can help caregivers feel better now, while they work the longer game of diet, lifestyle, and environment. Links Mentioned Dr. Scott Sherr's clinical practice: https://drscottsherr.com Troscriptions Products: https://troscriptions.com (Please work with a practitioner before using any product with a child.) If you found this episode helpful: Please share it with a caregiver who feels stuck in stress, burnout, or dysregulation. And grab my free guide: Gut Health Toolkit

    36 min

  6. 11/07/2025

    196 Oxytocin, Autism, and how Autism Research works

    In this episode, psychiatrist and researcher Dr. Eric Strobl joins Dr. Vaish Sarathy to talk about a new re-analysis of the SOARS-B trial on oxytocin and autism.   While earlier studies found no clear benefit, Dr. Strobl's fine-grained, item-level analysis using machine learning uncovered consistent evidence that oxytocin can enhance social-emotional reciprocity the ability to engage, connect, and respond in social contexts. Together, they discuss: Why most autism drug trials fail to show benefit What "blunt outcome measures" really mean in clinical research How machine learning can extract signal from noise in complex data What oxytocin actually does (and doesn't do) in real life How future studies could use more nuanced, individualized measures   Resources and Links Mentioned Study Discussed: Strobl E et al. (2024). "Item-Level Analysis Reveals Oxytocin Improves Social-Emotional Reciprocity in Autism Spectrum Disorder." Preprint Original SOARS-B Trial: Parker KJ et al. (2017). "A Randomized Clinical Trial of Oxytocin in Children and Adolescents with Autism Spectrum Disorder." Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA Psychiatry) Link   Related Reading:   Oxytocin and Social Behavior On machine learning in psychiatry: Nature – Machine learning in mental health research   Key Takeaways Oxytocin may help but not for everyone. Its most reliable effect seems to be reducing social anxiety and improving comfort in social exchanges.   Measurement matters. "Blunt" outcome scales can bury meaningful results under noise. Item-level, data-driven analysis reveals nuance traditional methods miss.   Autism heterogeneity is real. The same outward behavior can stem from different root causes - so future trials need precision tools, not averages.   Hope through better science. New methods aren't about hype—they're about accuracy, compassion, and smarter research design.   About Dr. Eric Strobl Dr. Strobl is a psychiatrist and data scientist at the University of Pittsburgh who develops innovative machine-learning algorithms to uncover hidden structure in medical data. His current work focuses on autism, neurodevelopmental conditions, and the use of AI to improve clinical trial design.     About Dr. Vaish Sarathy Dr. Vaish Sarathy is a TEDx speaker, PhD chemist, educator, and mom to a non-speaking autistic teen poet with Down syndrome. She hosts the Non Linear Learning podcast and leads the Non Linear Education course for parents and educators who believe that every brain can learn, given the right way to teach.     Stay Connected Instagram: @drvaishsarathy Free Guide: Turn ON Your Child's Learning Switch Join the Non Linear Education Waitlist: Get on the list here →

    34 min

  7. 10/30/2025

    195 What's Your Excuse? Lessons on Problem-Solving, Asking for Help, and Doing the Next Thing

    This may be the most heartfelt episode I've ever recorded. In this deeply human conversation, Maxwell Ivey: The Blind Blogger, and I talk about what it means to keep moving when life doesn't hand you easy options. Maxwell lost his sight as a child, taught himself to code, built a business, and learned to ask for help without shame.   We talk about the quiet power of asking, the courage to act before conditions are perfect, and a rare take on gratitude-not as politeness, but as the willingness to use what's been given.   Somewhere along the way, we find ourselves reflecting on The Four Agreements and how "don't take things personally" and "don't make assumptions" become essential mindsets in the world of disability and education.   It's unpolished, honest, and full of wisdom that only comes from lived experience. Stay to the end to hear Maxwell sing his original song, Don't Wait on Someday.   You can find Maxwell at theblindblogger.net.

    46 min

  8. 10/16/2025

    194 Every Skill Can Be Built: Inside Non Linear Education with Daria Kotenko

    *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "request-68eeef9f-b178-8332-a13c-1a4f9845c1b4-3" data-testid= "conversation-turn-15" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> In this special episode, NLE student and mom of a non-speaking speller, Daria Kotenko, interviews me about the ideas behind Non Linear Education: why "readiness" is a myth, how to teach anything through interest and tolerance, and what it really means to assume intelligence aggressively. We talk about the Web vs Bridge model of learning, building sensory capacity, and how parents can make education joyful and age-appropriate in just 10–15 minutes a day. 👉 Join Non Linear Education before doors close (Friday 11:59 PM PT)

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Where we raise the bar on Education for children with a disability. Educating a child with a disability isn't for the faint of heart, and if you're a parent or educator who refuses to give up on your child's potential, you're in the right place. Hosted by TEDx speaker and Ph.D. Chemist Dr. Vaish Sarathy [mom to a non-speaking Autistic teen with Down syndrome], this podcast offers a bold new way to support your child's learning, regulation, and independence without burnout or arbitrary busy work. Together we explore how to: - Break learning barriers so your child with Autism / Down Syndrome / ADHD can learn complex Math and Science - Make teaching and learning at home a flow state - Support brain + body health with practical, science-backed tools - Use Non Linear Education strategies to unlock growth in ways traditional systems never could Hear from top educators, researchers, and self-advocates. And most importantly, believe again: in your child, and in yourself.

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