What happens when race is treated as a side note in medicine, instead of a central part of how people move through the world? In this episode of Off the Charts, Dr. Bobby Parmar sits down with Nneka Allen for a deeply personal and necessary conversation about race, medicine, Whiteness, anti-Blackness, and the lived experience of Black patients navigating healthcare systems that were not built with them in mind. They begin with a question that is often avoided: why are people so uncomfortable talking about race, even when race clearly shapes outcomes, experiences, and access to care? From there, the conversation moves through the history of slavery in Canada, the invention of Whiteness and Blackness as social constructs, the medical dehumanization of Black bodies, and the ways these histories continue to show up in modern healthcare. Bobby and Nneka also discuss fibroids, pain treatment, maternal mortality, medical mistrust, weathering, microaggressions, race-conscious care, and what it means to move from bystanding to truth-telling. This is not a conversation about blame for the sake of blame. It is a conversation about responsibility, awareness, history, and what clinicians need to understand if they are serious about providing better care. WHAT YOU’LL LEARN Why race cannot be separated from conversations about medicine and healthcare How Whiteness and Blackness were socially constructed, and why that history still matters Why Black patients often cannot “escape” race in healthcare settings How medical systems have historically dehumanized Black bodies Why Black women’s experiences with fibroids, pain, hysterectomy, and maternal care require more attention What weathering means, and how chronic racist stress can affect health Why “microaggressions” may be better understood as racist abuse What institutional untrustworthiness means in healthcare Why race-conscious care matters more than simply having a provider who looks like you The difference between perpetrating, bystanding, truth-telling, and dissenting behaviors TIMESTAMPS 00:00 — Opening: “Black people don’t have the luxury of escaping race” 00:46 — Introducing Nneka Allen 02:37 — Why people avoid talking about race 05:29 — Slavery in Canada and the erasure of Black history 07:34 — Non-Black people and the racial continuum 08:19 — Why Black people can’t avoid race 09:55 — Fibroids, Black women, and being treated as a footnote in medicine 13:52 — Dr. Uché Blackstock, medical racism, and unequal care 15:03 — Self-advocacy, alternative medicine, and distrust of the medical system 19:08 — Medical experimentation, pain treatment, and maternal mortality 20:29 — Chattel slavery and the dehumanization of Black bodies 22:23 — The speculum, gynecology, and medical history 23:13 — Slavery as an economic system 26:16 — Storytelling, humanity, and listening differently 28:42 — Community, survival, and collective care 30:24 — The duty of non-Black clinicians 31:39 — Weathering and the health effects of chronic racist stress 32:49 — Microaggressions, racist abuse, and Ibram X. Kendi 35:03 — Why minimizing racism causes harm 36:30 — Nneka’s Substack and responding to racism 38:15 — A bank incident and the cost of confronting racism 42:22 — Diversity statements vs accountability 43:58 — Does your doctor have to be Black? 44:12 — What race-conscious care looks like 48:30 — Medical distrust vs institutional untrustworthiness 50:46 — Racism as behavior, not identity 52:21 — Perpetrating, bystanding, truth-telling, and dissenting behaviors 53:11 — Why silence is not neutral ⚠️ This video is for educational and informational purposes only and is not medical advice. Always consult a qualified healthcare provider before starting or stopping medication. REFERENCES Nneka Allen, The Empathy Agencyhttps://www.theempathyagency.ca/meet-the-founder The Empathy Agencyhttps://www.theempathyagency.ca/ Ian Williams, Disorientation: Being Black in the Worldhttps://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/671554/disorientation-by-ian-williams/9781039000247 Dr. Uché Blackstock, Legacy: A Black Physician Reckons with Racism in Medicinehttps://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/705871/legacy-by-uche-blackstock-md/ Ibram X. Kendi, How to Be an Antiracisthttps://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/564299/how-to-be-an-antiracist-by-ibram-x-kendi/ Audre Lorde, The Master’s Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master’s Househttps://awpc.cattcenter.iastate.edu/communication/masters-tools-will-never-dismantle-masters-house-oct-29-1979 Canadian Museum for Human Rights, The story of Black slavery in Canadian historyhttps://humanrights.ca/story/story-black-slavery-canadian-history The Underground Railroad in Canadahttps://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/underground-railroad Weathering hypothesis and racial health disparitieshttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10676285/ Race-conscious medicinehttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7544456/ Institutional distrust and building institutional trustworthiness in healthcarehttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7988507/ Canadian Human Rights Commission: About discriminationhttps://www.chrc-ccdp.gc.ca/individuals/human-rights/about-discrimination History of the speculum, J. Marion Sims, and medical experimentation on enslaved Black womenhttps://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/cancer-detectives-brief-history-speculum/ Racial disparities in uterine fibroids and hysterectomyhttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3874080/ Racial disparities in pain treatmenthttps://www.aamc.org/news/how-we-fail-black-patients-pain Black maternal mortality and pregnancy-related mortality disparities https://projects.apnews.com/features/2023/from-birth-to-death/black-women-maternal-mortality-rate.html CONNECT WITH GRAVITY HEALTHWebsite → https://www.gravityhealthclinics.com/Book a Consult → https://gravityhealth.janeapp.com/ FOLLOW USGravity Health Clinics → https://www.instagram.com/gravityhealthclinics/Dr. Bobby Parmar, ND → https://www.instagram.com/docparmar_nd/Dr. Paul Maximus, ND → https://www.instagram.com/drmaximus/Nneka Allen / The Empathy Agency → https://www.theempathyagency.ca/ Off the Charts is a podcast by Gravity Health, created for general informational and educational purposes only. 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