Welcome to The Primal Endurance Podcast, where we challenge the ineffective, overly stressful conventional approach to endurance training and provide a refreshing, sensible, healthy, fun alternative. Going primal frees you from carbohydrate dependency and turns you into a fat burning beast! Enjoy interviews from elite athletes, coaches, authors and scientists on the cutting edge of endurance training and performance.
Update from Brad
Future Primal Endurance shows will be published on the Primal Blueprint Podcast channel. Please subscribe and enjoy the diverse content on this thriving channel. You'll see the Endurance shows designated accordingly for quick access at a glance. You'll also enjoy feature interviews from ancestral health leaders, shows dedicated to keto, and narrations of MarksDailyApple.com posts.
In this fast-paced show, Brad hits you with a barrage of hot topics and reflections about healthy eating and training: Shifting from HIIT to HIRT, as advocated by Craig Marker at StrongFirst (listen to his Primal Endurance episode). Stands for High-Intensity Repeat Training. The importance of gut health, especially for endurance athletes who tempt gut dysfunction with long, hot workouts. How Brad healed his gut dysfunction by pounding probiotic foods and supplements and making his own kombucha. Brad's surprising recent test results from NourishBalanceThrive (listen to previous shows with Chris Kelly and with Dr. Tommy Wood), possibly indicating he should eat more food! A fantastic success story from UK, where coach Morgan has healed from serious heart problems with the Primal Endurance approach. Can I add 5 more beats to my MAF based on AeT test results? I'm concerned about going slower after a couple of months of MAF. Comparing the aerobic benefits of running and cycling and the cross training effect. A question about the great Walter George, 1880's era world record-setting runner, and his amazing "100-up" running drill. Finally, Brad describing his spontaneous, intuitive, sometimes keto, sometimes not eating patterns.
We are switching the publication of Primal Endurance podcasts over to the Primal Blueprint channel. [00:00:34]
When preparing for high Intensity repeat training make sure you are rested and motivated, then recover. [00:01:51]
Poor gut health is very prevalent and we might not even know we have a problem. [00:06:23]
Learn how to make your own Kombucha. [00:13:09]
It is believed that Triglycerides to HDL ratio is a key to heart disease risk factor metric. (1 to 1 or better is the goal.) [00:17:05]
Success story from Morgan Williams talks about how the primal endurance program helped him get out of the unfit coach trap. [00:22:50]
Lisa, age 48, is seeing limited results from Maffetone aerobic threshold. How to adjust your training is suggested. [00:25:34]
When someone like MaryAnn is trying something new, it's okay to ask "What is normal?" [00:28:44]
Mike asks: Running is much more taxing than biking. Is there a comparable maximum duration training run? [00:30:56]
Mike also asks does building the aerobic base for running will help your cycling base and vice versa? [00:34:54]
Sauna is highly recommended for recovery. [00:35:52]
Lor asks about the 100-up drill. Is it a good way to build foot and leg strength for running? [00:38:24]
Brian asks about the Keto Diet. What does Brad's eating day look like? [00:43:46]
Do you know what happens to an animal that is stressed at the moment they die? [00:52:21]
Dark chocolate is great but you should look at label and see "bean to bar." Cacao bean should be the first ingredient. Also you should see "fair trade" designation. [00:55:24]
Craig Marker Podcast
Dr. Ron Sinha
Dr. Rhonda Patrick
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Fast Food Nation Book
Brad’s podcast on chocolate
Andre Obradovic: "Life is too Short to Suffer"
Brad welcomes back popular Australian guest Andre Obradovic to go off script and talk about real-life matters not related to workout strategy, but of critical importance to your happiness and effectiveness as a parent, partner or career person. If you caught Andre's previous shows, you will love his colorful, hard-hitting commentary about what it takes to succeed as an endurance athlete and his important call for "no muppets" (blind followers who can't think for themselves). In this show, Brad and Andre, both age 53 as it happens, reflect on their journey as fathers of kids who are now adult age and offer some choice feedback for young dads trying to balance raising kids with intense athletic and career goals. Yes, this show takes an important and memorable detour from the constant talk about training. You will love Andre's insightful commentary in fresh Aussie spirit. An important show to reflect upon, especially for young dads trying to do it all.
These two experienced athletes and fathers talk about how to balance their lives. [00:00:16]
What impact does our behavior as parents affect the children? [00:02:33]
We can look back and see a culture without today's technology and yet we were still too busy to learn to relax. [00:08:23]
The parent needs to set the example of healthy eating, more sleep, healthier lifestyle. [00:15:15]
What are some tips on how to teach your kids or partners to make healthier choices? [00:19:03]
As you get older, how should you set your goals? [00:21:18]
Are the helicopter parents pushing too hard? [00:23:44]
Think about how you are teaching your children about money. [00:27:55]
It's a high priority to help your children learn to make healthy meals. [00:38:25]
Stress at home can disrupt your performance at work and training. Pay attention to family. [00:41:34]
Life’s too short to suffer.
If you were to die tomorrow, how would you want your kids to remember you? To talk about you?
Phil Maffetone: Barefoot breakthroughs, getting stronger, keeping fit as you age
After the awesome big picture show about healthy living and avoiding the manipulations of today’s mainstream media and marketing forces, Brad welcomes Dr. Maffetone back for a show on the usual popular topics of endurance peak performance. First, Phil discusses the amazing marathoner Eluid Kipchoge, and how he can finally hit the magic 1:59 barrier. First, running barefoot would achieve a significant time improvement! Yes, hard to do if you have been in shoes for years. Second, getting muscular balance treatments, because hard training creates imbalances that increase injury risk and slow you down. Dr. Phil says even extreme endurance goals are not necessarily unhealthy for older folks if you adopt the correct approach. He cites examples of world class endurance athletes around age 40, and also recommends that you have more patience with recovery as you get older. On the topic of explosive training, Phil relates how important this is even for endurance athletes, who “epidemic” show physical and functional weaknesses. Try to add a vertical jump test to your MAF test as an excellent fitness marker. If you can’t exceed 12 inches from a standing start, you best add more explosive training.
A couple great ideas: Sprint for 7 seconds several times, with long recovery periods between (~30 seconds) and repeat a couple times per week. Consider Maffetone’s “slow weights” idea, where you perform a single set of a single exercise, but repeat it several times a day. I have a hexagonal deadlift bar in my backyard for this purpose. Choose a weight that’s about 80% of your single rep absolute max and do about six reps. If you do this several times a day, you are talking about a fantastic increase in strength in a short time! What you are doing with these brief workouts is recruiting more of your existing muscle fibers to perform a function. This differs from the hypertrophy workouts when you break down and exhaust muscles, slam down protein shakes, and prompt the growth of bigger muscles—often these are for looking rad only and can obviously compromise endurance performance. With these brief single set, single exercise sessions, you avoid the risks and the adverse consequences of post-workout muscle soreness, something Brad complained to Phil about and he confirms is no bueno. Soreness leaves the muscles weak for a couple days, and if you get sore a couple times a week, well…FYI, did you know Ben Franklin was the one who made up “no pain, no gain?” Always fun insights from Dr. Phil. Enjoy, and check out his PhilMaffetone.com website and products!
It's time to start thinking about running barefoot. [00:00:43]
We are now close to an athlete breaking two-hour marathon. Look at Eliud Kipchoge. [00:03:41]
Muscles imbalance is a big concern. Posture and gait are important. [00:12:59]
Running at the same pace with muscle imbalance could raise your heart rate 5 or 6 beats! [00:15:27]
What kind of practitioner would deal with muscle imbalance? The assessment is really important. [00:17:19]
The times of the marathon have decreased in recent years. Why have people slowed down? [00:19:18]
Diet is primary to the training. You cannot run away from a bad diet. [00:22:51]
As we age, do we need to rethink the basic premise of these endurance goals? [00:24:16]
What about in the explosive sports? [00:29:04]
As you age, are there some modifications one would make to their training? [00:31:53]
What kind of parameters do you recommend to assess whether the subject is recovered and ready for another explosive workout? [00:36:18]
Overtraining or undertraining? [00:38:49]
Shouldn't we expect muscle soreness after workouts? [00:41:13]
What is a jump test? [00:42:58]
How can we build strength without getting weak muscles? [00:47:00]
We can train the brain to learn to contract more mus
Phil Maffetone: Avoiding the ills of modern society
Dr. Phil Maffetone returns to the show and we take a few steps back to cover some big picture items. First, the tremendous amount manipulation and hype we are exposed to each day with mainstream media is destructive and unhealthy. Phil disengages from this stuff! Realize how we make impulse decisions based on primitive brain function, or alternatively can get over-analytical. Better to cultivate our intuition where we can leverage both powerful gut instincts with our rational mind skills. Phil describes the global “overfat” epidemic, and how you can strive to keep waistline less than half your height in inches. This will help you avoid the prevailing disease triad of chronic inflammation, carbohydrate intolerance, and insulin resistance. First step to health: Ditch refined carbohydrates (sugars, flour/bread products, sweetened beverages) for two weeks per Maffetone’s “2-week test.” Then you can reintroduce natural carbohydrates back in (fruit, sweet potatoes, etc.) and see what you can tolerate without adverse symptoms. For many people with insulin resistance and decades of junk food consumption, keto might be warranted. Check out Dr. Phil’s great articles and products at PhilMaffetone.com
We want to personalize our journey of life in a way that we continually build our health and fitness. [00:02:50]
There are two ways that our brains work. 1. Instant gratification. 2. We think in an analytical way. [00:07:35]
Many writings are: "Here's how to do it." Sometimes it makes things worse. [00:12:11]
Companies are allowed to convince us to be unhealthy. Pubic health education needs to help. [00:14:24]
Sometimes a person has to experience pain for them to start to listen to advice. [00:16:11]
There needs to be a consensus about refined vegetable oils and their impact on public health. It's about the money. [00:20:07]
What should a well intentioned person do about making decisions about eggs, for example? Or training styles? [00:24:04]
People are often willing to latch on to tradition and emotion when making their decisions. [00:28:22]
The problem is it is difficult for us to see if the advise we are getting is effective. Doctors tend to treat the diagnosis and forget there is a person there. [00:30:33]
There is so much information out there, that people are overwhelmed and confused. The stress factor plays a huge role. [00:36:49]
What are the causes of chronic illnesses? [00:42:44]
Chronic inflammation, carbohydrate intolerance, and insulin resistance causing people to be overfat. (85% of Indian adults are overfat.) [00:46:00]
Measure your waist and hope that is is less half the height of your body. If it is not, then you are overfat. [00:49:00]
If we want to turn things around, what can we do to attack this problem? Get rid of refined sugar and carbohydrates. [00:55:17]
One thing you may notice is that our brains work better, therefore our instincts and tuition are working better. [01:03:31]
Is your waist less than half of your height?
We buy the sizzle, not the steak.
You can be normal weight and not obese and still have excess body fat.
Logan Schwartz--Transforming From Training Mentality to Lifestyle Mentality
Brad welcomes Logan Schwartz of AustinVitalityCoach.com to discuss evolved concepts of athletic training within the context of healthy living. It's time to reject the flawed and narrow focus of the traditional athletic training approach, where the focus is on work output connected specifically to your athletic goals. Logan, like other thought leaders, places the emphasis on overall daily movement and functionality over a devoted workout regimen. Of particular interest is the concept presented about conducting brief bursts of exercise output over the course of the day. Cranking about 20 deep squats in your cubicle, doing a few vertical jumps onto a park bench, or doing a few pullups every time you enter a certain doorway in your house. This kinda stuff adds up! Furthermore, you enjoy fitness adaptation benefits without the risk of overstress and overtraining that happens with prolonged, exhausting workouts.
Logan explains that any effort that even slightly exceeds your "basic adaptation threshold will improve your fitness. If you do 5 pullups at a time 10 times per day, that's 50 pullups a day. "There is a time to survive (such as a maximum effort competition) and a time to thrive (by training in a sensible manner and leading a varied and active lifestyle.) Many more important insights are offered throughout the show, and you will pick up some recurring themes revealing the progression of thought in the fitness world from other leaders like Katy Bowman, Dr. Kelly Starrett, and Craig Marker (who advocates for HIRT--High Intensity Repeat Training, over the more popular HIIT--High Intensity Interval Training.) Logan comes to the table with extensive experience, having been a strength and conditioning coach for the University of Texas mens and womens basketball teams for over a decade. If you have an open mind and want to get better in any sport, listen carefully to this show and broaden your perspective about what training and fitness really mean!
We are losing the ability to have delayed gratification. What one sees on social media often is distorted truth. [00:00:40]
Are the current methods of training adequate or even appropriate? [00:04:59]
What has Logan seen to help people stay healthy, use their potential, and avoid the pitfalls of injury? [00:11:27]
We are seeing a lack of fundamentals. [00:00:15:00]
High intensity interval training is tiring. The idea is not how much you can endure over the length of the workout, it's the performance of each interval that matters. [00:20:25]
We should get back to self-limiting exercise. [00:23:41]
Train all day. The body was not designed for what most of us do during the day. [00:25:43]
The fitness business is a business convincing that you need them. [00:28:01]
The sensible message is to sleep and eat well. The societal message has been, "if you want to get better, you have to work hard and suffer." Some people use exercise as a punishment. [00:35:54]
I love my body, why would I have a “cheat” day? [00:38:30]
Why does a person want to lose weight? [00:39:12]
Much exercise is like processed food: Planned and structured isn't necessary. Just move. [00:41:20]
How might a person get redirected from a structured exercise program? [00:44:20]
Gradually build from your personal threshold. Worry about just getting better each time. [00:48:45]
Austin Vitality Coach
How hard can you work without working hard? We should get back to self-limiting exercise. You don’t exercise to get fit. You exercise because you are fit. I love my body, why would I have a “cheat” day? Some people use exercise as a punishment. Man is the only animal smart enough to make it’s own food but is the only animal stupid enough to eat it! I think there are people out there trying to kill themselves in the name of h
Q&A and Brad Monologue
Brad delivers an opening monologue by emphasizing the important point that recovery requires energy in and of itself, so you have to adopt a bigger picture perspective than the narrow focus on delivering maximum energy output to workouts and taking recovery for granted. Also, (an aside!) Brad says if you are football fan there is blood on your hands and you should examine your conscience and moral implications of watching such a violent sport for our amusement. If you don’t devote proper attention and energy to recovery, big problems ensue and your training will become counterproductive.
Brad also mentions his awesome new podcast called Get Over Yourself. Details at bradkearns.com. Subscribe and enjoy broader content matter about living a long, healthy, happy life. Questions covered: Is there such a thing as too low body fat for a marathoner? How does a former bodybuilder transition over to specific endurance goals? Does a vitamin/mineral drink count against fasting/autophagy benefits? Are MAF test results varying by air temperature (yes, big time!) ? Is drifting a bit above MAF during workouts a big deal (yes!)? How do you get enough calories during a busy day without carb snacks? What about using ketone supplements during training? Hang with us as we go to town!
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