Queer Theology

Queer Theology / Brian G. Murphy & Shannon T.L. Kearns
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Queer Theology

The longest running podcast for and by LGBTQ Christians and other queer people of faith and spiritual seeker. Hosted by Fr. Shannon TL Kearns, a transgender Christian priest and Brian G. Murphy, a bisexual polyamorous Jew. and now in its 10th year, the Queer Theology Podcast shares deep insights and practical tools for building a thriving spiritual life on your own terms. Explore the archives for a queer perspective on hundreds of Bible passages as well as dozens of interviews with respected LGBTQ leaders (and a few cis, straight folks too). Join tens of thousands of listeners from around the world for the Bible, every week, queered.

  1. It Comes Back to Community: An Interview with R. Scott Okamoto

    3 DAYS AGO

    It Comes Back to Community: An Interview with R. Scott Okamoto

    We’re joined this week by R Scott Okamoto who is a writer and musician from Los Angeles. He is passionate about AAPI identity and politics, fly fishing, sex and sexuality, cooking, and religious deconstruction. Scott is the creator and host of the Chapel Probation Podcast and the author of Asian American Apostate: Losing Religion and Finding Myself at an Evangelical University. In this conversation, Scott shares his transformative journey from a conservative evangelical upbringing to becoming an advocate for LGBTQIA students at Azusa Pacific University. He discusses the challenges of deconstructing his faith, the importance of community support, and the impact of evangelical culture on identity. Scott emphasizes the need for critical thinking and openness in navigating personal beliefs and experiences. He discusses his journey of deconstruction from evangelicalism, the importance of community and storytelling, and the challenges of addressing systemic issues like racism within Christianity. He emphasizes the need for ongoing personal growth and the role of music and creative expression in finding joy and connection after leaving religious spaces.    Takeaways Scott grew up in a conservative evangelical environment. His journey of deconstruction began after meeting LGBTQIA individuals. He became an advocate for LGBTQIA students at APU. Community support was crucial for students facing rejection. Evangelical culture often perpetuates harmful ideologies. Deconstruction is a complex and personal process. Critical thinking is often discouraged in evangelical settings. Sharing personal stories can foster understanding and empathy. Navigating faith and identity can be challenging for many. It’s important to embrace knowledge and openness in personal growth. Once you start moving, it’s hard to stop. Finding community is essential for continued growth. Deconstruction is not just a personal journey but a communal one. Storytelling can be a powerful tool for healing and connection. Christianity has a significant racism problem that needs addressing. Building relationships with diverse communities is crucial. It’s important to engage in uncomfortable conversations. Music can be a source of joy and connection after deconstruction. Creative projects can help explore complex topics like sexuality. Acknowledging suffering in others can lead to deeper understanding and empathy.   Chapters (03:56) Journey of Deconstruction at APU   (07:22) Community and Support for LGBTQIA Students   (13:21) The Impact of Evangelical Culture on Identity   (16:01) Navigating Deconstruction and Its Challenges   (21:10) Encouraging Critical Thinking and Openness   (28:12) Final Thoughts and Reflections   (29:04) Navigating Deconstruction and Personal Growth   (31:10) The Challenge of Moving Beyond Evangelicalism   (33:27) Finding Community in Deconstruction   (37:44) The Power of Storytelling and Connection   (42:35) Addressing Racism in Christianity   (47:51) Future Projects and Creative Endeavors   Resources: Asian American Apostate: Losing Religion and Finding Myself at an Evangelical University by R Scott Okamoto Chapel Probation Podcast Learn more about Scott at https://www.rscottokamoto.com/  Join the Sanctuary Collective Community  If you want to support the Patreon and help keep the podcast up and running, you can learn more and pledge your support at patreon.com/queertheology EPISODE TRANSCRIPT The post It Comes Back to Community: An Interview with R. Scott Okamoto appeared first on Queer Theology.

    51 min
  2. From Shame To Pride

    FEB 16

    From Shame To Pride

    In this episode, we delve into the complexities of sex positivity within a spiritual context. We explore the damaging messages received from religious institutions regarding sexuality, the impact of purity culture, and the ongoing journey of self-discovery and healing. Our conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding one’s own desires, navigating shame, and fostering a community that embraces sex positivity. We also get into practical steps for healing and the significance of embodying a positive relationship with one’s body and sexuality.   Takeaways The conversation highlights the absurd messages about sex from religious backgrounds. Purity culture can create lasting shame and confusion around sexuality. It’s essential to differentiate between healthy attraction and harmful lust. Healing from sexual shame is an ongoing process that requires self-reflection. Community support is vital in navigating sexual and spiritual journeys. Understanding one’s own values around sex is crucial for personal growth. Sex positivity can coexist with spirituality in a healthy way. The impact of societal norms on individual sexual expression is profound. Engaging in open conversations about sex can help dismantle shame. Embodying a positive relationship with one’s body is essential for overall well-being.   Chapters (02:31) Exploring Church Messages on Sex   (06:31) The Impact of Purity Culture   (10:21) Navigating Shame and Sexuality   (14:35) Understanding Lust and Attraction   (18:30) Positive Experiences and Community   (22:36) The Ongoing Journey of Self-Discovery   (26:36) Practical Steps for Healing and Growth   (30:26) Becoming a Beacon of Sex Positivity   (34:42) The Interconnection of Body and Sexuality    Resources: Join the workshop: Sex-Positive Sexuality Join the Sanctuary Collective Community  If you want to support the Patreon and help keep the podcast up and running, you can learn more and pledge your support at patreon.com/queertheology EPISODE TRANSCRIPT The post From Shame To Pride appeared first on Queer Theology.

    36 min
  3. Taking The Sting Out Of Paul (Colossians 3:1-17)

    FEB 9

    Taking The Sting Out Of Paul (Colossians 3:1-17)

    We’re going back to the Gospel of Paul and exploring Colossians 3:1-17 through a queer lens, discussing the implications of Paul’s teachings on identity, sexuality, and community. It is so  important to understand the context of Paul’s letters and how they can be applied to contemporary issues of queer identity and spirituality. There is such a  need for compassion, kindness, and the recognition of individual identities within the framework of faith, ultimately calling for a more inclusive and loving community. Takeaways The passage from Colossians has been used against queer individuals. Understanding the context of Paul’s letters is crucial for interpretation. Queer identities are integral to our understanding of spirituality. We must not let homophobic interpretations dictate our faith. Paul’s teachings call for a higher standard of behavior in community. Our identities matter to God and should be celebrated. Living out our values in relationships is essential for healing. Compassion and kindness are vital in our interactions with others. We are invited to build a new world that respects dignity and love. The journey of faith includes recognizing and valuing our unique experiences. Chapters (00:00) Exploring Colossians 3: A Queer Perspective   (02:39) Understanding Paul’s Intentions   (05:00) The Intersection of Identity and Faith   (12:17) Queerness and the Divine   (17:14) Living Out Our Values in Relationships   (25:24) A Benediction for New Beginnings     Resources: Join the workshop: Sex-Positive Sexuality Join the Sanctuary Collective Community  If you want to support the Patreon and help keep the podcast up and running, you can learn more and pledge your support at patreon.com/queertheology EPISODE TRANSCRIPT The post Taking The Sting Out Of Paul (Colossians 3:1-17) appeared first on Queer Theology.

    27 min
  4. The Sex and Spirit Connection

    FEB 2

    The Sex and Spirit Connection

    We’re back to explore the intricate relationship between spirituality and sexuality! We share our personal journeys, societal challenges, and the importance of integrating these aspects of identity to reframe how to view sexuality. We also delve into the complexities of desire, agency, and the political implications of sexual oppression. Shame and desire intertwine within theological contexts, which makes it all the more important to integrate one’s faith with their sexual identity and experiences. There is an unmistakable sacredness to sexuality and it can lead to transcendent experiences.   Takeaways Sexuality and spirituality can be integrated for deeper insights. The journey of understanding one’s sexuality is often fraught with challenges. Desire is often suppressed by societal and religious narratives. Governments target sexual minorities to maintain control. Personal sexual healing is a form of political resistance. Communication about desires is crucial in relationships. Vulnerability is necessary for authentic connections. Queer joy and pleasure are vital, even in difficult times. The work on self can enhance community organizing efforts. Celebrating sexual autonomy is both personal and communal. The work of unhooking from shame is often theological. Desire and shame are deeply intertwined with spirituality. Our beliefs about bodies and sexuality shape our ethics. Integration of theology and ethics is crucial for a fulfilling life. Sexuality can be a pathway to experiencing the divine. The Bible contains rich sexual language that reflects divine relationships. Transcendence can be found in intimate connections with others. Experiences of sexuality can be sacred and holy. First sexual experiences can be meaningful in various ways. Gratitude for past experiences can lead to healing.   Chapters (02:49) The Journey of Integrating Sexuality and Spirituality (06:00) Desire, Agency, and Control (08:52) Political Implications of Sexuality (11:55) Communication and Vulnerability in Relationships (15:11) The Intersection of Queerness and Spirituality (17:00) The Intersection of Sex, Shame, and Spirituality (19:52) Theological Contexts and Personal Experiences (25:47) Sexuality as a Path to Transcendence (30:04) Closing Reflections and Prayer   Resources: Join the Sanctuary Collective Community If you want to support the Patreon and help keep the podcast up and running, you can learn more and pledge your support at patreon.com/queertheology EPISODE TRANSCRIPT The post The Sex and Spirit Connection appeared first on Queer Theology.

    28 min
  5. The Danger of Shallow Forgiveness an interview with Kaya Oakes

    JAN 26

    The Danger of Shallow Forgiveness an interview with Kaya Oakes

    We’re happy to welcome return guest Kaya Oakes back to the podcast for this episode to talk about her new book, “Not So Sorry: Abusers, False Apologies, and the Limits of Forgiveness.” Kaya Oakes is a journalist and author of six books. Her essays and journalism have appeared in many publications. She is also a faculty member in the College Writing Programs at UC Berkeley, where she teaches creative nonfiction, composition, and research writing. In this conversation, Kaya Oakes discusses her multifaceted identity as a teacher, writer, and cancer survivor, while exploring themes of forgiveness, the writing process, and the complexities of social justice. She delves into the nuances of apologies, the importance of empathy, and the often weaponized nature of forgiveness in queer and trans communities. Kaya also shares insights from her new book, emphasizing the need for specificity in apologies and the interconnectedness of forgiveness, repentance, and reparations.    Takeaways Kaya Oakes identifies as a teacher and writer with a focus on gender and health. Her writing is often driven by personal obsessions and societal issues. The writing process for Kaya is spontaneous and research-driven, often starting with a question. Research is woven into the writing process, helping to answer complex questions. Forgiveness can be weaponized, especially in queer and trans communities. A good apology requires specificity and acknowledgment of harm done. Empathy is crucial for genuine forgiveness and understanding. Theological insights reveal that forgiveness is often oversimplified in Christian contexts. Forgiveness, repentance, and reparations are interconnected but often misunderstood. Finding joy in small things, like pets, can be a source of comfort.   Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background of Kaya Oakes 03:00 Writing Process and Creative Obsessions 05:59 Research and Writing Balance 08:56 Exploring the Theme of Forgiveness 11:58 The Complexity of Forgiveness in Queer and Trans Communities 15:05 Understanding Apologies and Their Impact 17:56 The Role of Empathy in Forgiveness 20:54 Theological Insights on Forgiveness 23:56 Untangling Forgiveness, Repentance, and Reparations 26:54 The Importance of Specificity in Apologies 29:57 Finding Joy in Everyday Life     Resources: Previous episodes with Kaya Oakes: The Nones Are All Right: an Interview with Kaya Oakes The Defiant Middle with Kaya Oakes Interview episode with Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg: Growing Up Suburban Jewish and Finding Your Faith Not So Sorry: Abusers, False Apologies, and the Limits of Forgiveness by Kaya Oakes Learn more about Kaya at https://www.oakestown.org/  Join the Sanctuary Collective Community    If you want to support the Patreon and help keep the podcast up and running, you can learn more and pledge your support at patreon.com/queertheology PODCAST TRANSCRIPT The post The Danger of Shallow Forgiveness an interview with Kaya Oakes appeared first on Queer Theology.

    38 min
  6. Shame-Sex Attraction with Lucas Wilson

    JAN 19

    Shame-Sex Attraction with Lucas Wilson

    We are joined by author Lucas Wilson for this podcast episode to talk about his journey from being a former evangelical to a queer academic. Dr. Lucas Wilson is a SSHRC Postdoctoral Fellow at University of Toronto Mississauga, formerly the Justice, Equity, and Transformation Postdoctoral Fellow at University of Calgary. He is the editor of Shame-Sex Attraction: Survivors’ Stories of Conversion Therapy. He is currently working on two interrelated monograph projects that examine evangelical homophobia and transphobia in the U.S. discussing the intertwining of his faith and queer identity. In this conversation, he delves into the history and reality of conversion therapy, emphasizing the ongoing struggles faced by survivors. Lucas also reflects on the motivation behind his book, contrasting his academic work with personal narratives, and highlights common themes such as shame and secrecy in the stories of conversion therapy survivors. Our discussion aims to raise awareness about the continued existence of conversion therapy practices, despite legal prohibitions. Lucas also highlights the importance of sharing queer stories and finding hope beyond the struggles faced in high-control religious environments.    Takeaways Luke identifies as an ex-vangelical and conversion therapy survivor. His academic work focuses on queer history and the New Christian Right. Conversion therapy is often misunderstood as only occurring in specific settings. The term ‘conversion practices’ encompasses a broader range of experiences. Many queer individuals have undergone some form of conversion practices. Shame is a central theme in the experiences of conversion therapy survivors. Secrecy and silence are prevalent in the narratives of those affected. Luke’s book aims to shed light on the ongoing reality of conversion therapy. The collection includes diverse stories from various queer identities. Despite legal bans, conversion therapy practices continue to exist underground. Conversion therapy is a complex issue with many personal stories. Shame can persist even after leaving high-control religious groups. Academia can provide a space for critical thinking and self-discovery. Understanding Christian theology is essential to grasping US politics. The influence of evangelicalism on contemporary issues is significant. Stories of conversion therapy survivors often highlight resilience and hope. Not all stories have neat, happy endings; discomfort is part of the journey. Community support is crucial for those recovering from conversion therapy. Future projects aim to amplify queer voices and experiences. Personal joy can be found in simple pleasures, like enjoying grapes.   Chapters (02:27) Faith and Queer Identity Intertwined   (08:42) Understanding Conversion Therapy   (12:51) The Motivation Behind the Book   (15:30) Contrasting Academic and Personal Narratives   (17:49) Common Themes in Conversion Therapy Stories   (22:08) The Ongoing Reality of Conversion Therapy   (23:07) The Impact of Conversion Therapy   (25:37) Shame and Self-Reflection   (26:07) Academic Awakening and Relearning   (30:20) The Role of Christian Theology in History   (31:52) Understanding Evangelical Influence on Politics   (38:41) Finding Hope Beyond Conversion Therapy   (43:27) Future Projects and Community Engagement     Resources: Follow Lucas on social media: IG: @lukeslamdunkwilson Threads: @lukeslamdunkwilson X/Twitter: @wilson_fw LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucas-wilson-2a0753b1/ TikTok: @lukeslamdunkwilson Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/luke.wilson.96 Join the Sanctuary Collective Community  If you want to support the Patreon and help keep the podcast up and running, you can learn more and pledge your support at patreon.com/queertheology EPISODE TRANSCRIPT The post Shame-Sex Attraction with Lucas Wilson appeared first on Queer Theology.

    50 min
  7. Taking Another Look at Paul: An Interview with John Dominic Crossan

    JAN 12

    Taking Another Look at Paul: An Interview with John Dominic Crossan

    We’re excited to have return guest, John Dominic Crossan, on the pod this week to talk about his new book, “Paul the Pharisee: A Vision Beyond the Violence of Civilization.” We discuss the importance of matrix as a tool for understanding the context and background of texts and why that is so important when we look at Paul. Crossan emphasizes the role of metaphor in shaping our lives and how dismissing metaphor as less than literal impacts our theology. He explores the differences between ascension and resurrection and why they matter. He talks about how his book explores this distinction between ascension and resurrection, emphasizing the importance of focusing on the community of the human race rather than privileged individuals.    Takeaways Understanding the context and background of texts is crucial for interpreting and applying ancient documents to new situations. Paul’s significance and importance can be better understood by placing him in the historical and cultural context of the Roman Empire. Metaphor plays a powerful role in shaping our lives and creating reality. It is important to be aware of the metaphors we live by and their implications. Ascension and resurrection are two different concepts. Ascension is about special privilege for an individual, while resurrection is about the liberation of the human race from death. The Easter images in Western and Eastern Christian traditions depict different understandings of resurrection, with the Eastern tradition emphasizing the liberation of the human race. The focus should be on the community of the human race rather than privileged individuals. The evangelical conception of salvation should shift towards caring for the world and recognizing the role of evolution in running the world. Paul’s belief in resurrection shaped the behavior and community of early Christians. Reading Paul in the context of Roman imperial theology and studying Virgil’s Aeneid can provide a better understanding of the New Testament. Paul’s vision of cosmic justice and the implications of evolution are relevant for our world today.   Chapters (04:03) Reevaluating Paul: Importance and Significance (11:14) The Power of Metaphor in Shaping Reality (14:37) Ascension vs. Resurrection: Different Concepts (24:28) Easter Images: Western and Eastern Perspectives (29:18) Focusing on the Community of the Human Race (30:28) Challenging the Evangelical Conception of Salvation (31:31) Recognizing the Role of Evolution in Running the World (33:47) Taking Responsibility for the World (35:12) Paul’s Vision of Resurrection and Cosmic Justice (44:52) Understanding Paul in the Context of Roman Imperial Theology (52:39) The Relevance of Paul’s Vision of Cosmic Justice and Evolution   Resources: Paul the Pharisee: A Vision Beyond the Violence of Civilization by John Dominic Crossan Join the Sanctuary Collective Community  If you want to support the Patreon and help keep the podcast up and running, you can learn more and pledge your support at patreon.com/queertheology The post Taking Another Look at Paul: An Interview with John Dominic Crossan appeared first on Queer Theology.

    58 min
  8. Heading to the UnYeshiva with Judaism UnBound

    JAN 5

    Heading to the UnYeshiva with Judaism UnBound

    A while back, we sat down with the hosts of the podcast, Judaism Unbound. So for this episode, we’re sharing that interview with y’all! In this interview, we talk about how to queer theology, share some of our favorite bible stories and discuss how to do this work well. We also touch on how other theologies, religions, and faith practices can enrich and impact our lives in a deeply meaningful way.    Resources: Learn more and join the course https://www.judaismunbound.com/2025-courses/p/queering-theology  Listen to the Judaism Unbound podcast.  Join the Sanctuary Collective Community    If you want to support the Patreon and help keep the podcast up and running, you can learn more and pledge your support at patreon.com/queertheology EPISODE TRANSCRIPT The post Heading to the UnYeshiva with Judaism UnBound appeared first on Queer Theology.

    59 min
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The longest running podcast for and by LGBTQ Christians and other queer people of faith and spiritual seeker. Hosted by Fr. Shannon TL Kearns, a transgender Christian priest and Brian G. Murphy, a bisexual polyamorous Jew. and now in its 10th year, the Queer Theology Podcast shares deep insights and practical tools for building a thriving spiritual life on your own terms. Explore the archives for a queer perspective on hundreds of Bible passages as well as dozens of interviews with respected LGBTQ leaders (and a few cis, straight folks too). Join tens of thousands of listeners from around the world for the Bible, every week, queered.

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    Queer Theology / Brian G. Murphy & Shannon T.L. Kearns
  • Years Active
    2013 - 2025
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    Copyright © 2013 - 2023 by Brian G. Murphy & Shannon TL Kearns
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