Radical Sacred

Jenny Misslin and Phillip Dieke

Remember, you are on sacred ground. Stay rooted. For two years Jenny Misslin and Rev. Phil Dieke have been contemplating a podcast. An opportunity to discuss spirituality, nature, community, and the interconnectedness of it all. All things they love, are very anxious about, and eager to explore. Radical, defined as "the relating to the fundamental nature of something." This term can be divisive, but to Jenny and Phil it is an invitation to connect back to the divine goodness, the sacred, at the core of all creation. Radical Sacred is an invitation to join them in curiosity as they explore questions such as: What is an experience that led you to a kinder, more inclusive spirituality?Who was the first person you met that broadened your ideas about the Divine?Where do you experience the Holy?If liberation of self leads us on a pathway to liberation for all, what has that looked like in your own spirituality?How do you find joy and pleasure in these wild times?Has there been an anchor for you as your spirituality has shifted?How can the stories we tell ourselves harm or heal ourselves, and creation?Not experts, Jenny and Phil strive to live the questions while exploring the mystery of all that is unsolved in our hearts and souls. Will you join them?

  1. 4D AGO

    David Hayward is the Naked Pastor

    We were so fortunate to talk to David Hayward, known for his work under the moniker the Naked Pastor, in this spacious and honest episode about art, deconstruction, feminine wisdom, nature, and more. David shares with us his spiritual journey that is continually unfolding. His gentle storytelling invited us to look deeply at our spirituality, to not be afraid to live the questions when they come up, and to begin to move towards whatever is stirring within our hearts. There is no wrong way to become your fullest self, and the world deeply needs people who have come alive. This chat opened up some things for us to sit with, we hope it does the same for you.  Show Notes The Naked Pastor Website Naked Pastor on InstagramThe Liberation of Sophia Without a Vision my People Prosper-Till Doubt Do Us Part The Lasting Supper - Online Community Nadya Tolokonnikova from P***y Riot ArtLife Together by Dietrich BonhoefferChapters 00:00 The National Anthem and Its Hidden Truths 02:56 Introducing David Hayward: The Naked Pastor 05:59 The Naked Truth: Spiritual Abuse and Silence 11:39 The Journey of Deconstruction Begins 14:47 Reconstruction: Integrating the Past 19:05 Sophia: The Feminine Wisdom Within 25:56 Masculinity and the Inner Feminine 33:03 Jesus and Feminine Wisdom in the Church 39:19 Navigating Marriage Through Deconstruction 42:51 The Glue of Relationships: Love Beyond Beliefs 45:43 Navigating Deconstruction in Relationships 46:18 Loneliness and Community Rebuilding 49:38 Finding New Connections Outside Faith Communities 51:34 Art as Resistance and Inspiration 56:48 Nature's Role in Inspiration and Connection 01:00:28 The Power of Awe and Love 01:10:27 The Naked Pastor's Journey and Future Directions 01:12:35 NEWCHAPTER

    1h 14m
  2. FEB 4

    Wes Ellis and Abiding in Amen

    We had a lovely time chatting with Wes Ellis about his book Abiding in Amen: Prayer for a Secular Age! Wes is a pastor, professor, and author who decided to look at prayer through a gentle, nonjudgmental, and playful lens. We chat about abiding in prayer, silence, what resonates deeply within us, and approaching prayer in a hopeful, open hearted way. We hope that this episode gives you the space you need to check out prayer in new and innovative ways! May your prayers flow through you freely, may they reach the depths of your heart and spirit,  and may your prayers lead you to act.  Show Notes: Abiding in AmenWes Ellis Website The Uncontrollability of the World by Hartmut Rosa God in Creation by Jurgen MoltmannTheology of Play by Jurgen Moltmann Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Prayer and Its Significance 05:11 Exploring the Challenges of Prayer in a Secular Age 10:25 Defining Prayer: A Two-Way Communication 13:10 Prayer as Technology: A Cautionary Perspective 18:33 Resonance in Prayer Practices 21:11 The Concept of Disposable Prayer 24:40 The Importance of Play in Spiritual Life 27:09 The Importance of Play and Joy in Troubling Times 27:50 Prayer as Community Action 30:08 Suffering with the World: A New Perspective 33:15 The Role of the Church in Transformation 35:19 Being Ready: The Nature of Prayer 38:27 Everything as Prayer: A New Understanding 44:58 Breath Prayer and the Desert Fathers 51:04 Finding Beauty Amidst Darkness 52:03 Invitation to Simple Prayer 53:48 NEWCHAPTER

    55 min
  3. JAN 7

    How to Love a Forest with Ethan Tapper

    How we Love a Forest is how we Love Everything with Ethan Tapper. Join us for this transformative and hopeful chat with forrester, author of How We Love a Forest, and digital storyteller Ethan Tapper!  Ethan walks us through what it looks like to love and give your life over to whatever is calling to you from the depths of your heart. We visit about his 175 acres called Bear Island and the restorative and sometimes heartbreaking work it takes to love well. Ethan’s knowledge of trees, foxes, birds and wild things that roam Bear Island is delightful and invitational. Our hearts were changed by his deep commitment to the land and to the future.  Show Notes: Ethan TapperHow to Love a Forest: The Bittersweet Work of Tending a Changing WorldWillow and the Storm - Children’s BookEthan’s InstagramWhat the Robin Knows by John YoungDr. Lyla JuneEO WilsonIn Blackwater Woods by: Mary OliverChapters 00:00 The Essence of Nature and Loss 01:25 Introducing Ethan Tapper: A Forester's Journey 04:48 Bear Island: A Symbol of Hope and Responsibility 09:46 Wildlife and Ecosystem Relationships 15:48 Human Nature and Ecological Responsibility 21:14 The Complexity of Ecosystems and Love for Nature 26:52 The Unexpected Joy of Public Speaking 27:17 Emerging Themes of Hope 28:11 Engaging the Younger Generation 29:29 The Power of Hope in Action 30:15 Mythologizing Forests and Emotional Connections 31:05 The Role of Emotion in Environmental Advocacy 33:49 Balancing Science and Spirituality 37:48 Delight in Nature's Wonders 38:24 The Complexity of Life and Death 48:06 Understanding Death in Ecosystems 52:55 The Beauty of Forests and Their Lessons

    57 min
  4. 12/31/2025

    A Year in Reflection and Cheers to a New Year

    Cheers to a New Year from Radical Sacred! This year has been a bit of a shit sandwich for us so if you’re feeling less than holly jolly this one's for you. We chat about where we are and our hopes for 2026. We choose a few words that will be our guiding light for the year to come and remember our favorite episodes from this season. Thanks for being on this journey with us! “May the nourishment of the earth be yours,may the clarity of light be yours,may the fluency of the ocean be yours, may the protection of the ancestors be yours.” - John O’Donohue Show Notes: Beannacht by: John O’DonohueTed Radio Hour - Finding Your Bliss with Krista Tippett of On Being The Case for Making Art When the World is on Fire Aime McNeeLiving the Questions by RilkeYes, That’s When by: Rosemary Wahtola Trommer Chapters 00:00 New Year's Reflections and Technical Challenges 02:12 Personal Introductions and Life Updates 09:11 Memorable Conversations and Insights from the Year 14:43 Creativity, Vulnerability, and the Importance of Expression 21:30 Living with Questions and Embracing Uncertainty 26:14 Navigating Personal Challenges and Growth 28:50 Navigating New Year's Emotions 30:31 Leaving Behind and Embracing for the New Year 33:37 Personal Reflections on Avoidance and Authenticity 37:22 Words of Intention for 2026 40:50 Reciprocity and Creativity in Relationships 44:25 Words for 2026: Unfold, Return, and Holistic 50:16 Expansion and Blooming into the New Year

    57 min
4.8
out of 5
17 Ratings

About

Remember, you are on sacred ground. Stay rooted. For two years Jenny Misslin and Rev. Phil Dieke have been contemplating a podcast. An opportunity to discuss spirituality, nature, community, and the interconnectedness of it all. All things they love, are very anxious about, and eager to explore. Radical, defined as "the relating to the fundamental nature of something." This term can be divisive, but to Jenny and Phil it is an invitation to connect back to the divine goodness, the sacred, at the core of all creation. Radical Sacred is an invitation to join them in curiosity as they explore questions such as: What is an experience that led you to a kinder, more inclusive spirituality?Who was the first person you met that broadened your ideas about the Divine?Where do you experience the Holy?If liberation of self leads us on a pathway to liberation for all, what has that looked like in your own spirituality?How do you find joy and pleasure in these wild times?Has there been an anchor for you as your spirituality has shifted?How can the stories we tell ourselves harm or heal ourselves, and creation?Not experts, Jenny and Phil strive to live the questions while exploring the mystery of all that is unsolved in our hearts and souls. Will you join them?

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