Relationscapes: Exploring How We Relate, Love, and Belong

Blair Hodges
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How do we learn to love, relate, and belong in a changing world? Relationscapes brings award-winning journalist Blair Hodges into conversation with today’s most insightful writers and thinkers to explore relationships, gender, sexuality, race, ability, and culture—with ideas that inspire deeper connection and a more humane life.

  1. MINI EPISODE: She Lets Joy Be Her Compass (with Bailey Buckles)

    5D AGO

    MINI EPISODE: She Lets Joy Be Her Compass (with Bailey Buckles)

    She thought there would always be more time to explore—until a routine hike nearly killed her. In this mini episode, Bailey Buckles recounts how a sudden, life-threatening infection drove home the fact that tomorrow isn’t guaranteed. It was an especially powerful moment, because as a transgender woman of color in America, she hadn't always wanted to stay alive.  From climbing mountains to showing up online as her full self, Bailey strives to live with greater urgency, purpose, and joy. Full transcript is available here at relationscapes.org.  Show Notes Bailey Buckles, "At 38, I Still Felt Like I Was Getting Started. Then I Nearly Died," (Mar 12, 2026). Bailey Buckles, "Is This New, or Just Newly Felt," (Jan 25, 2026).   Fellow Traveler Episodes Recovering Queer Black History for Everybody (with George M. Johnson) How to Support Trans Youth (with Ben V. Greene) About the Guest Bailey Buckles is a trans content creator in Colorado who loves the outdoors, her partner, her dog, and living life. Follow her here, and at her Substack.

    34 min
  2. Tumbling Through the Mother-Daughter Multiverse (with Sarah Labrie)

    MAR 17

    Tumbling Through the Mother-Daughter Multiverse (with Sarah Labrie)

    If you lost touch with reality, how would you even tell the difference? That's the question Sarah Labrie confronts after her mother was found on the side of a Houston freeway in the midst of a schizophrenic break, along with the question, "Am I next?" In this deeply candid conversation, Sarah discusses growing up between extremes of adoration and abuse, witnessing a parent’s mental illness, struggling with perfectionism, and looking for healthy relationships, until the weight of her own artistic ambition almost brought her to a complete collapse. We explore parallel worlds—of mother and daughter, of friendship and rupture, of the selves we become, the selves we might have been, and the selves that might yet be out there, somewhere. We're talking about Sarah's memoir, No One Gets to Fall Apart. Full transcript is available here at relationscapes.org.  Show Notes Walter Benjamin's Arcades project, as told by Wikipedia. Fellow Traveler Episodes "Coming of Age in a Cult and Beyond," with Guinevere Turner "Healing From Family Trauma," with Mariel Buqué About the Guest Sarah LaBrie is author of No One Gets to Fall Apart: A Memoir (HarperCollins, 2024), a New York Times Notable Book and finalist for the Writers League of Texas Book Award. She's also a television writer whose credits include Minx, Blindspotting, Made for Love, Love, Victor and Beauty, a Beauty and the Beast prequel for Disney+. She has received fellowships from Yaddo, MacDowell and the Austin Film Society. Her work has been performed at the Apollo Theater and at Walt Disney Concert Hall. Learn more at sarahlabrielivesinlosangeles.com.

    1h 16m
  3. How Dogs Domesticated Humans (with Laura Hobgood)

    MAR 10

    How Dogs Domesticated Humans (with Laura Hobgood)

    Dogs didn’t just become our companions. They helped make us human. They've been by our side for tens of thousands of years, helping us herd and hunt, migrate, heal, grieve, fight war, imagine the afterlife, and more.  Religion and environmental studies scholar Laura Hobgood joins us to explore the long, complicated co-evolution of humans and dogs—how humans have loved, used, protected, and sometimes harmed them in return. Her book is called A Dog’s History of the World: Canines and the Domestication of Humans. Whether you love dogs, miss one deeply, or have never thought much about them at all, this episode will change how you see our oldest animal partner. Even if you aren't a dog person, you're still kind of a dog person! Full transcript is available here at relationscapes.org.  Show Notes Check out Grumpy's grave here. Pat Lee Shipman, "The Woof at the Door," on the child and dog in a cave.  "Do dogs go to heaven?" Glad You Asked podcast. About the Guest Dr. Laura Hobgood is co-chair of the Environmental Studies program and past chair of the Religion program at Southwestern University. She also holds the Elizabeth Root Paden Chair in Religion and Environmental Studies. Hobgood received her Ph.D. from St. Louis University and her M.Div. from Vanderbilt University. She is author of A Dog’s History of the World: Canines and the Domestication of Humans.

    1h 9m
  4. MINI EPISODE: What a Good Boy, with Steven Page

    MAR 3

    MINI EPISODE: What a Good Boy, with Steven Page

    Some songs take decades to reveal what they’re really about. Back in the 90s when 20-year-old Steven Page wrote “What a Good Boy,” he understood it as a plea to ease up on restrictive gender expectations that harmed boys and girls. But as he performed it over the years, he realized it was about much more than that. The stirring anthem has become a greater exploration of gender identity and sexuality, a perennial wrestle against a binary world's hostility to people who don't fit the mold—trans, nonbinary, genderqueer, gay, or otherwise. Page, a founding member of the smash-hit band Barenaked Ladies now enjoying his solo career, has spent much of his life writing songs to explore vulnerability, humor, grief, and joy, a signature blend of comedy and tragedy. In this discussion, Page reflects on how "What A Good Boy" came to be, and what it's like to have his creation become part of someone else’s becoming. Full transcript is available here at relationscapes.org. But you'll want to hear this one! Show Notes A.R. Moxon, The Reframe Steven Page, "Where Do You Stand?" Steven Page, "White Noise" Barenaked Ladies, "What a Good Boy" David Friend, "Steven Page project takes political turn with new album," Toronto Star (Sept. 21, 2018) Fellow Traveler Episodes Nonbinary Thinking (with Eris Young) The Challenges of Parenting Trans Kids (with Abi Maxwell) A Haunted Trans Story (with Kyle Lukoff) What The News Isn't Telling You About Trans Teenagers (with Nico Lang) Black and Beyond the Binary (with KB Brookins) How to Support Trans Youth (with Ben V. Greene) The Incredible Brain Science About Sex and Gender (with Daphna Joel) Recovering Queer Black History for Everybody (with George M. Johnson) About the Guest Steven Page is a Canadian musician, singer, songwriter, record producer, and founding member of the music group Barenaked Ladies. Since going solo, Page has released five albums, he performs with groups like the Trans-Canada Highwaymen, and he publicly advocates on issues including mental and behavioral health. He has three sons and lives in New York with his partner, Christine Benedicto. I'm not sure if he has any dogs or cats, and I forgot to ask him. Join his Patreon at patreon.com/c/stevenpage.

    39 min
  5. Recovering Queer Black History for Everybody (with George M. Johnson)

    FEB 17

    Recovering Queer Black History for Everybody (with George M. Johnson)

    When George M. Johnson was a kid growing up in New Jersey, they loved Black History Month. They were thrilled to learn about the people who shaped American history for the better. But as they got older, they started noticing things were missing—hidden stories that might have meant the most to a queer kid like they were. George was especially drawn to one of the most dazzling moments in Black history, the Harlem Renaissance. They went searching for what had been covered up, forgotten, or erased, and resurrected those stories in their book, Flamboyants: The Queer Harlem Renaissance I Wish I'd Known. It's a celebration of the Black queer writers, performers, and activists of 1920s America. George M. Johnson joins us to talk about Black and queer culture—how it impacted the past, how it enlivens our present, and how it can open up new possibilities for the future. This is a conversation about truth-telling, lineage, identity, and the stories that save us when we finally get to hear them. Full transcript is available here at relationscapes.org.  Show Notes Langston Hughes, "Let America Be America Again" Fellow Traveler Episodes Black and Beyond the Binary (with KB Brookins) Celebrating Black Womanhood (with Catherine Joy White) About the Guest George M. Johnson is an award-winning Black non-binary writer, author, and activist. They are the author of the bestselling Young Adult memoir All Boys Aren’t Blue discussing their adolescence growing up as a young Black Queer boy in New Jersey. Their other books include Flamboyants: The Queer Harlem Renaissance I Wish I'd Known, and There's Always Next Year. George has also published in places like Teen Vogue, The Root, Essence, Ebony, THEM, and The Grio.

    1h 8m
  6. Raising Feminist Boys in a Patriarchal World (with Sonora Jha)

    FEB 10

    Raising Feminist Boys in a Patriarchal World (with Sonora Jha)

    Is it possible to raise kind, feminist boys in our era of manosphere misogyny? Sonora Jha, an Indian-American immigrant and single mother, says yes. But it takes a lot more than good intentions.  She reflects on raising her son across cultures, teaching empathy through film, talking frankly about sex, consent, and body image, and modeling apology without demanding forgiveness. She pushes back on the idea that feminism harms boys, showing how it can actually free them from shame, silence, and isolation. Sonora Jha joins us to talk about her book, How to Raise a Feminist Son: Motherhood, Masculinity, and the Making of My Family. Full transcript is available here at relationscapes.org.  Fellow Traveler Episodes Testosterone, Y Chromosomes, and Other Manly Excuses, with Matthew Gutmann Detoxing Masculinity, with Ronald Levant and Shana Pryor Masculinity, More Liberated and Free, with Frederick Joseph Learning About Masculinity Today from the Ancient Romans, with Mike Pope About the Guest After a career in journalism in India and Singapore, Dr. Sonora Jha became a professor at Seattle University. She is author of four books, including How to Raise a Feminist Son (2021). Her novels include The Laughter, which won the 2024 Washington State Book Award for Fiction and was named one of the Best Books of 2023 by the New Yorker, NPR, and others, Foreign (2013), a finalist for the Shakti Bhatt Prize and the Hindu Prize, and her latest, Intemperance.

    1h 10m
  7. How Birth Mothers are Paying the Hidden Costs of Adoption (with Gretchen Sisson)

    FEB 3

    How Birth Mothers are Paying the Hidden Costs of Adoption (with Gretchen Sisson)

    Adoption is often framed as a loving and selfless decision made by women who want to give their babies a better life—but many relinquishing mothers say it doesn’t actually feel like a real choice at all. Private domestic adoption in the U.S. operates under conditions of high demand, limited supply, and deep economic inequality. Researchers say women rarely choose adoption over abortion or parenting, and many relinquishing parents report long-term trauma.  Sociologist Gretchen Sisson draws on a decade of interviews in her book Relinquished: The Politics of Adoption and the Privilege of American Motherhood to examine who adoption really serves—and who it leaves behind.  She invites us to rethink adoption from the ground up, and asks what real support for families would actually look like. Full transcript is available here at relationscapes.org.  Show Notes Pricing the Priceless Child: The Changing Social Value of Children, by Viviana A. Zelizer The Turnaway Study: Ten Years, a Thousand Women, and the Consequences of Having—or Being Denied—an Abortion, by Diana Greene Foster Abolition Geography: Essays Towards Liberation, Ruth Wilson Gilmore  Fellow Traveler Episodes Relationscapes, "The Truth About Transracial Adoption, (with Angela Tucker)" Relationscapes, "What Disabled Parents Can Teach Everyone About Parenting (with Jessica Slice)" Relationscapes, "The Rebellious Act of Disabled Parenting (with Eliza Hull)" Relationscapes, "The Growing Perils of Pregnancy in America (with Irin Carmon)" About the Guest Gretchen Sisson studies abortion and adoption in the United States as a sociologist at Advancing New Standards in Reproductive Health (ANSIRH) in the Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Reproductive Science at the University of California, San Francisco. She is the author of Relinquished: The Politics of Adoption and the Privilege of American Motherhood, based on hundreds of in-depth interviews with women who have relinquished infants for domestic adoption over the past 60 years.

    1h 19m
  8. MINI EPISODE: And It's Only January (or, staying politically plugged in without giving up hope), with Andrea Pitzer

    JAN 20

    MINI EPISODE: And It's Only January (or, staying politically plugged in without giving up hope), with Andrea Pitzer

    We’re a little over halfway through January and it's already been A LOT. The Trump administration kidnapped the de facto Venezuelan president. The chairman of the Federal Reserve announced he’s being targeted for prosecution because the president wants to control monetary policy. A queer mother in Minneapolis was shot in the head in broad daylight by ICE, who is occupying the city, and the government has been trying to portray her as a terrorist. And etc. Andrea Pitzer is one of my favorite political analysts right now, and I asked her how we might make it out of this mess. She explains why the current moment feels so destabilizing, how mass detention becomes normalized, why exhaustion and disengagement are themselves political dangers, and what history tells us about stopping things before they get worse. This is a conversation about realism without despair, urgency without panic, and about how ordinary people can still matter. Especially when the future feels uncertain. Full transcript is available here at relationscapes.org.  Show Notes Next Comes What? podcast Degenerate Art newsletter Megan Piantowski's ICE zines. Dan Sinker's ICE whistle project About the Guest Andrea Pitzer is a journalist and author, known for her books One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps, The Secret History of Vladimir Nabokov, and Icebound: Shipwrecked at the Edge of the World (2021). She hosts the popular podcast Next Comes What and writes the newsletter Degenerate Art.

    50 min
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How do we learn to love, relate, and belong in a changing world? Relationscapes brings award-winning journalist Blair Hodges into conversation with today’s most insightful writers and thinkers to explore relationships, gender, sexuality, race, ability, and culture—with ideas that inspire deeper connection and a more humane life.

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