126 episodes

One to five topics, lots of love and enthusiasm and science, sometimes about running. With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche and maybe some appearances by Addie dog!

Some Work, All Play David Roche and Megan Roche

    • Sports
    • 4.8 • 683 Ratings

One to five topics, lots of love and enthusiasm and science, sometimes about running. With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche and maybe some appearances by Addie dog!

    122. Marathon Principles, 4 Eliud Kipchoge Training Reactions, and Process-Focus Science!

    122. Marathon Principles, 4 Eliud Kipchoge Training Reactions, and Process-Focus Science!

    We got VERY EXCITED about enchiladas before an invigorating episode on training and intrinsic motivation! The main topics: 3 marathon training principles that apply to all endurance runners, the magic of long runs that build aerobic lipidic power, 4 follow-up discussions about Eliud Kipchoge's training before setting the world record, recent studies on why process-motivation supports well-being and performance, a grab-bag of 7 recommendations for training and life fun, how to use cross-training, a big announcement about next week's guest, and the nuances of supershoe variation. Plus doubles, exciting podcast growth, creating sustainable running form, and lots of other fun topics!

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    • 1 hr 23 min
    121. Eliud Kipchoge's Marathon Training, Running as a Power Sport, and Aging Superpowers!

    121. Eliud Kipchoge's Marathon Training, Running as a Power Sport, and Aging Superpowers!

    We listened to some very, VERY fun audio recordings before a joyous episode on growth and training theory! The main discussion is on Eliud Kipchoge's training, using a mix of sources to come up with 6 lessons for everyone. Zone 1 easy running, controlled workouts around 80% capacity, high (but not wild) volume, long runs with tempo, a growth lifestyle, and so much more! We also chatted about recent marathon breakthroughs for 40+ athletes, and the exciting implications for growth with age in the sport. Finally, we analyzed why running is a POWER SPORT, and how that incentivizes finding our own personal versions of "strong" in the journey. Plus OCR world champion training, horoscopes, the neuroscience of food, the magic of Coke, and tons of other cool topics! 

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    • 1 hr 22 min
    120. Long Run Theories, 10 Kilian Training Reactions, and Fasted Running Thoughts!

    120. Long Run Theories, 10 Kilian Training Reactions, and Fasted Running Thoughts!

    We embraced the pizza underwear process before having such a fun episode with lots of training and life topics! The big training discussion revolved around 10 reactions to the approach that Kilian Jornet used to become the GOAT. Get ready for a buffet of the hottest training takes on: doubles, the theory of long runs and why they don't need to be too long, the complexity of fasted training, Zone 1 work, tapers, minimal dose strength training, hill/flat combination workouts, focused base-building periods, nutrition/supplementation, and the magic of a long-term process focus. We also talked about the perils of marginal-gain optimization, horoscopes, testosterone levels, and SO MUCH MORE! Buckle up, the science was extra sexy in this one.

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    • 1 hr 24 min
    119. Kilian Jornet Interview! The GOAT Discusses Life and Training

    119. Kilian Jornet Interview! The GOAT Discusses Life and Training

    In one of the most exciting moments of our lives, we sat down with Kilian Jornet, aka the GREATEST OF ALL TIME. Kilian is the winner of almost every major race around the world, most recently UTMB and the Hardrock 100 just four weeks apart. He's also a dad of two and a founder of shoe company NNormal, bringing a process-focus to his life on and off the trails. In the episode, we talk about the dynamics of racing UTMB, how he trained for his dominant 2022, take a deep dive into the physiology of training and how his approach has evolved over time, why he doesn't do strength work, speed work for mountain racing, being a business boss, and balancing it all with family.

    We love Kilian, and we know you will too. May we all make love to the mountains! White spandex is optional, but encouraged.

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    • 1 hr 6 min
    118. Kilian Jornet's UTMB Training Data, Heart Rate Zones, and Self-Worth in Sports!

    118. Kilian Jornet's UTMB Training Data, Heart Rate Zones, and Self-Worth in Sports!

    We are coming to you with HEALTHY HEART SWAG to talk about Kilian Jornet's training snapshot leading up to his course record at UTMB, training intensity zones and what they mean, how to think about heart rate principles even if you don't use a heart rate monitor, Nico Young's amazing strength, the connection between emotional pain and physical pain, professional athlete contracts, body love, and hill training. Plus, we answer an amazing question on disentangling physical performance from self-worth. It was the most fun episode ever, thank you for supporting these weekly adventures!

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    • 1 hr 20 min
    117. UTMB Race Thoughts, Kilian Jornet is the GOAT, and Iron Intake For Athletes!

    117. UTMB Race Thoughts, Kilian Jornet is the GOAT, and Iron Intake For Athletes!

    We got naked in a creek before talking about 9 thoughts from the UTMB races, Kilian Jornet's historic summer and how unthinkably incredible he is, the importance of understanding iron intake for athletes, a checklist to address fatigue, the Manti Te'o documentary and the power of forgiveness, follow-ups to the Clare Gallagher interview, and the worst doping excuse we have ever heard. We have so much fun with these episodes, thank you for listening and giving us an excuse to have research-driven date days each week!
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    • 1 hr 16 min

Customer Reviews

4.8 out of 5
683 Ratings

683 Ratings

rgartner21 ,

Sonic sunshine

It’s nice to hear honest and genuine positivity. I will listen to episodes multiple times because they make me feel happy, and cause me to laugh, think and generally be more appreciative. Thanks Megan & David.

ANW8479 ,

Good running podcast but too much other stuff

TMI guys! Tone it down. The hair cutting episode was just too much to handle.

KnickNameHere ,

No thanks

I stopped listening after they repeatedly conflated compassionate, healthy eating (veganism/vegetarianism) with eating disorders. It’s odd for a doctor and someone so into the science behind running to know so little about nutrition. Apparently everyone should be celebrated for eating dead animals loaded with cholesterol because “eat enough always” but if someone wants to eat nutritious plants then whoa buddy careful there that sounds “disordered.” Not sure why the compassion they so rightly talk about all the time doesn’t extend to sentient beings other than humans or, for that matter, the environment. Also, there’s plenty of venom for Donald Trump (rightly so) but none for war criminals like Obama or Biden. Typical self-righteous liberal Democrats.

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