Sunday School Dropouts

Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery
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  • Mental Health
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Sunday School Dropouts is a podcast hosted by trained therapists Dr. Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs. Both Andrew and Laura grew up in high control religion and spent years trying to live up to the rules and standards until one day, they couldn’t do it anymore. They spent our lives aspiring to be true followers of God and all they got from it was religious trauma.So now, they’re taking our lived experiences along with their education, training, and work with clients to create this podcast–a podcast that goes beyond deconstruction and focuses on the unique aspects healing and recovery for folks coming out of high control religions, cults, fundamentalism, purity culture and those with religious trauma. Each episode they will be talking with other experts, mental health practitioners, coaches, advocates, therapists and folks who have survived fundamentalist systems, to learn from their experiences and offer resources and support for healing.

  1. Jul 7

    Complexity of Death and Life

    Last week the post religious/faith deconstruction community was faced with a loss of a voice and advocate in Ryan (RL) Stollar. Ryan’s death has opened up conversations that go beyond just this moment and are causing people to reflect and reconsider grief, humanity, and the complexity of life. In today’s episode, Andrew and Laura discuss some of the themes they have observed in social media spaces, their coaching sessions, and between friends and colleagues. While this episode will not be focusing on the specifics of Ryan’s death, we will be discussing sensitive topics such as suicide, coercive control and abuse, fundamentalism, and grief. We’ll be exploring moving beyond binary, fundamentalist thinking and moving into the gray, messy space of life, holding multiple realities, and acknowledging abuse and coercion without erasing the positive contributions of someone’s life. If you or someone you know needs support, please consider reaching out to the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery (www.traumaresolutionandrecovery.com/available-practitioners) and schedule your FREE inquiry call with a practitioner(s) of your choice. Laura also wrote a Substack article diving further into these dynamics; you can access that article at: www.drlauraeanderson.substack.com This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @andrew_kerbs To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

  2. Jun 2

    Wrapping Up Purity Culture

    In this season finale of Sunday School Dropouts, Laura and Andrew look back on a landmark season dedicated to unpacking the pervasive and lingering effects of purity culture. Reflecting on what they learned, what surprised them, and where they find hope, Laura and andrew explore how these rigid teachings extend far beyond sexual ethics into daily struggles with body image, diet culture, adult friendships, and social media dynamics. A central focus of the episode examines the connection between neurodivergence and high-control religious systems, drawing on insights from their interview with Michelle Moseley to explain why individuals with ADHD or autism can be uniquely vulnerable to these environments. The discussion also ventures into how purity culture historically intersects with power, control, and racial eugenics, while analyzing the unexpected rise of the modern manosphere and red pill culture as a new evolution of these familiar, toxic frameworks. The episode also tackles the deep personal work required to move past religious trauma, contrasting the intellectual act of deconstructing harmful beliefs with the arduous journey of somatic and emotional healing. Laura and Andrew discuss the protective impulse to completely burn bridges when escaping high-control environments, validating it as a necessary first response for survival rather than a reckless last resort. Highlighting a massive wave of listener feedback, including a notably strong resonance from the ex-LDS community, the conversation celebrates the collective power of shared stories. Ultimately, this finale bridges the gap between uncovering past harms and looking forward, offering listeners a compassionate roadmap for reclaiming their bodies, their boundaries, and their peace. This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @andrew_kerbs To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

  3. May 26

    Holy Disobedience with Melissa Duge Spiers

    In this episode of Sunday School Dropouts, host Andrew Kerbs is joined by memoirist and ex-Adventist advocate Melissa Duge Spiers to discuss her book, Holy Disobedience: Sex, Sin, and Secrets in the Biggest Church No One Knows. Melissa shares the incredible twenty-year journey of bringing her story to publication, including a decade where the manuscript sat untouched and the hurdles she faced with major publishers due to legal anxieties surrounding the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The conversation dives into the unique invisibility of the ex-Adventist community compared to groups like ex-Mormons, exploring the deep cultural conditioning that keeps these stories hidden. Through the lens of her memoir, Melissa reflects on the overwhelming reader response from various religious survivors who finally feel seen, while also discussing her appearance on Mormon Stories with John Dehlin. The discussion also digs into the messy, personal realities of writing a memoir and navigating family dynamics after revealing buried secrets. Melissa opens up about the delicate craft of protective storytelling, changing names, and the deeply disappointing conversation she had with her elderly father regarding the book. Looking toward the future, she shares a glimpse into her upcoming projects, including a novel and a true crime memoir tentatively titled Lies Wide Shut. Ultimately, this episode serves as a powerful call for listeners to deconstruct their faith, seek specialized religious trauma therapy, and find peace within life's inherent messiness. Guest Info: Melissa Duge Spiers Website: www.melissadugespiers.substack.com  Social Media (Instagram) @the.glory.whole Get Melissa’s book, Holy Disobedience here! This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @andrew_kerbs To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

  4. May 19

    Let’s Talk About Sex, Baby! (Re-air)

    Let’s talk about sex, baby! Today sex educator and creator of the Purity Culture Dropout brand and services, Erica Smith, joins us to talk about sex, comprehensive sex education and resources if you’re needing some remedial sex education after abstinence only or purity culture “sex education”. We’ll also be sharing some prayer requests, answering listener questions and generally having a holy time! Resources mentioned on the podcast:  Holy Hurt Podcast series by Dr. Hillary McBride Erica Smith: Website: https://www.ericasmitheac.com/ IG: @ericasmith.sex.ed This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @andrew_kerbs To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

  5. May 12

    Transitioning out of Purity Culture (Re-Release)

    On today’s episode of Sunday School Dropouts we will be talking to Cody Harman, a certified fitness coach and nutritionist! Cody shares his story of growing up within evangelicalism and purity culture being socialized female, coming out and transitioning. Cody’s lets us in on his process of healing from the shame and harm that was caused by high control religion and offers encouragement and hope on the journey of healing. You can find Cody at the following places: • Instagram: @mrcoachcody_scoobyprep • TikTok: @mrcoachcody • Facebook: Cody Harman • Twitter: @mrcoachcody YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Codytalks11/featured • Website: www.codyharman.com This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything  Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji  Editing and Production by Kevin Crowe

  6. May 5

    The Manosphere and the Fundamentalism Pipeline

    In this episode, Laura is joined by Dan Miller for his fifth visit to the show to dissect the complex intersections of modern masculinity and religious extremism. Using Senator Josh Hawley's book as a primary case study, the discussion explores why certain conservative movements choose the biblical figure of Adam over Jesus as their primary archetype for manhood. This shift reflects a broader desire for a dominant alpha male figure that aligns more closely with imperial power than the humble and sacrificial themes found in the Gospels. The conversation examines how this ideological framework feeds into a larger pipeline connecting the secular manosphere with high control religious environments, offering men a sense of certainty and hierarchy in an increasingly unstable world. The dialogue also addresses the genuine social crises contributing to male loneliness and identity loss, such as economic shifts and a lack of community purpose. Rather than providing constructive solutions, these movements often redirect valid frustrations toward marginalized groups or a nostalgic, mythic vision of the Roman Empire. Miller and Laura explore the psychological defense mechanisms of aggression and the difficulty many men face when sitting with insecurity or trauma. The episode concludes by highlighting healthier alternatives to traditional patriarchy, emphasizing the importance of vulnerability, collaborative parenting, and the quiet strength found in caring professions and civic engagement. Share your purity culture stories with us by leaving a voicemail or sending your story to us! This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @andrew_kerbs To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

  7. Apr 28

    The Secret Psychology of Mormon Wives: Marriage, Conflict, and the Taylor & Dakota Dynamic

    In this deep dive into the Hulu phenomenon The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, host Laura is joined by licensed marriage and family therapist Ashley Buckner to peel back the layers of drama and reveal the complex psychological machinery underneath. The duo explores how the Mormon influencer pipeline was born from a culture of polished aesthetics and public testimony, and why the sudden shift in financial power—where women become primary breadwinners in patriarchal households—creates such volatile relational friction. From the Momtok aesthetic to the systemic roots of oversharing, this episode examines how religious conditioning prepares women for the camera while simultaneously stifling their personal development. Beyond the viral TikToks, the conversation tackles the heavy reality of identity foreclosure and arrested development, explaining why early marriage often leads to acting out later in life. Buckner provides a compassionate, trauma-informed perspective on the cast's experiences, specifically looking at somatic symptoms of sexual trauma and the ways purity culture inflates and weaponizes the concept of cheating. Whether you are a fan of the show or a survivor of a high-control group, this episode offers a frank discussion on generational trauma, the lack of boundaries inherent in confession culture, and why some therapists actually recommend this reality TV trainwreck as a legitimate tool for deconstructing religious trauma. Share your purity culture stories with us by leaving a voicemail or sending your story to us! This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @andrew_kerbs To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

  8. Apr 21

    The Secret Psychology of Mormon Wives: Identity, Religion, and Influencer Culture

    In this deep dive into the Hulu phenomenon The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, host Laura is joined by licensed marriage and family therapist Ashley Buckner to peel back the layers of drama and reveal the complex psychological machinery underneath. The duo explores how the Mormon influencer pipeline was born from a culture of polished aesthetics and public testimony, and why the sudden shift in financial power—where women become primary breadwinners in patriarchal households—creates such volatile relational friction. From the Momtok aesthetic to the systemic roots of oversharing, this episode examines how religious conditioning prepares women for the camera while simultaneously stifling their personal development. Beyond the viral TikToks, the conversation tackles the heavy reality of identity foreclosure and arrested development, explaining why early marriage often leads to acting out later in life. Buckner provides a compassionate, trauma-informed perspective on the cast's experiences, specifically looking at somatic symptoms of sexual trauma and the ways purity culture inflates and weaponizes the concept of cheating. Whether you are a fan of the show or a survivor of a high-control group, this episode offers a frank discussion on generational trauma, the lack of boundaries inherent in confession culture, and why some therapists actually recommend this reality TV trainwreck as a legitimate tool for deconstructing religious trauma. This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @andrew_kerbs To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

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Sunday School Dropouts is a podcast hosted by trained therapists Dr. Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs. Both Andrew and Laura grew up in high control religion and spent years trying to live up to the rules and standards until one day, they couldn’t do it anymore. They spent our lives aspiring to be true followers of God and all they got from it was religious trauma.So now, they’re taking our lived experiences along with their education, training, and work with clients to create this podcast–a podcast that goes beyond deconstruction and focuses on the unique aspects healing and recovery for folks coming out of high control religions, cults, fundamentalism, purity culture and those with religious trauma. Each episode they will be talking with other experts, mental health practitioners, coaches, advocates, therapists and folks who have survived fundamentalist systems, to learn from their experiences and offer resources and support for healing.

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  • Creator
    Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    97
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Sunday School Dropouts
  • Show Website
    Sunday School Dropouts

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