Sunday School Dropouts

Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery

Sunday School Dropouts is a podcast hosted by trained therapists Dr. Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs. Both Andrew and Laura grew up in high control religion and spent years trying to live up to the rules and standards until one day, they couldn’t do it anymore. They spent our lives aspiring to be true followers of God and all they got from it was religious trauma.So now, they’re taking our lived experiences along with their education, training, and work with clients to create this podcast–a podcast that goes beyond deconstruction and focuses on the unique aspects healing and recovery for folks coming out of high control religions, cults, fundamentalism, purity culture and those with religious trauma. Each episode they will be talking with other experts, mental health practitioners, coaches, advocates, therapists and folks who have survived fundamentalist systems, to learn from their experiences and offer resources and support for healing.

  1. 3D AGO

    Untangling Mormon Sexual Shame

    In Part 2 of their conversation with licensed marriage and family therapist Ashley Buckner, the Sunday School Dropouts crew explores the deeper psychological and therapeutic impact of Mormon purity culture. Ashley shares clinical insights into how LDS structures such as worthiness interviews, the Law of Chastity, and confession culture shape a person’s relationship with their body, sexuality, and sense of autonomy. Drawing from both her professional work and personal experience growing up in an unorthodox Mormon community, Ashley discusses the lasting effects purity culture can have on survivors of childhood sexual abuse, including shame cycles, anxiety, disembodiment, and difficulty trusting oneself. The conversation also addresses institutional failures within the church’s handling of abuse, gender specific harms caused by purity teachings, and what real healing can look like through body based therapies, supportive communities, and rebuilding safety and self trust outside high control religion. Share your purity culture stories with us by leaving a voicemail or sending your story to us! Guest Info:  Social Media: @ashleyb_therapy Resources discussed in this episode:  Melissa Urban - The Book of Boundaries Non Violent Communication book Non Violent Communication graphic This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram @andrew_kerbs Follow Andrew’s post-SDA account @lifeafteradventism Follow Andrew’s account on neurodivergence and high control religion @divergent.faith  Join Andrew’s Substack (Kerb Your Enthusiasm) www.andrewkerbs.substack.com  To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  Join Laura’s Substack (Therapy in the Headlines) www.drlauraeanderson.substack.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs

    1h 17m
  2. MAR 3

    Purity Culture in the LDS Church

    In this first of a two part conversation on Sunday School Dropouts, Andrew Kerbs and Laura Anderson sit down with Ashley Buckner, LMFT, to explore her journey growing up in an unorthodox Mormon home in Cedar City, Utah, and the lasting impact of purity culture and childhood sexual abuse. Ashley shares what it was like to grow up in a “less than” Mormon family with a Catholic father prior to his baptism, the pressure to perform worthiness, and the shame of being born to parents who were pregnant before marriage. She reflects on how purity culture shaped her understanding of her body, sexuality, and value, and how secrecy and silence created the conditions for abuse to remain hidden for years. Ashley bravely recounts being sexually abused at age four by an older family member and the way cultural messaging around sex and worthiness reinforced silence and self blame. She opens up about not disclosing the abuse until age twenty, leaving the LDS church after moving to Los Angeles, and how experiences of unconditional love outside Mormonism shifted her perspective. The conversation also explores why talk therapy alone was not enough for trauma recovery and how brainspotting and other nervous system based approaches helped her access healing stored in the body. Together, they unpack how trauma and shame live in the hips and stomach, why embodiment and safe relationships are essential for recovery, and how sharing shame in safe spaces begins to loosen its grip. Share your purity culture stories with us by leaving a voicemail or sending your story to us! Guest Info:  Social Media: @ashleyb_therapy Resources discussed in this episode:  Melissa Urban - The Book of Boundaries Non Violent Communication book Non Violent Communication graphic This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram @andrew_kerbs Follow Andrew’s post-SDA account @lifeafteradventism Follow Andrew’s account on neurodivergence and high control religion @divergent.faith  Join Andrew’s Substack (Kerb Your Enthusiasm) www.andrewkerbs.substack.com  To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson

    1h 23m
  3. FEB 24

    Purity Culture & Body Shaming

    What happens when purity culture and diet culture collide? In this episode, Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs sit down with writer Ashley Dunston to unpack the complicated overlap between evangelical theology, fat phobia, and body shame. Ashley shares her story of growing up in Colorado Springs during the peak of 1990s and early 2000s purity messaging, navigating intense pressure to present a “perfect” family image, and being pushed into gastric bypass surgery at just 19 years old. After losing 100 pounds in a year, she faced not only the physical consequences but the emotional and spiritual fallout that followed. Together, they explore how phrases like “your body is a temple” became tools of control, how food and weight were moralized in church spaces, and why purity culture often excluded or invisibilized girls who did not fit a narrow beauty standard. The conversation moves through grief, bodily autonomy, medical fat phobia, and the painful unraveling of a faith identity that once felt essential. Ashley also reflects on healing, learning to trust her body again, reclaiming desire as strength rather than weakness, and the hope she sees in younger generations finding more diverse and affirming representations of their bodies. Guest Info:  Website: AshleyDunstonWriter.com Social Media: Instagram: @ashley_dunston_writer, https://substack.com/@ashleydunstonwriter This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram @andrew_kerbs Follow Andrew’s post-SDA account @lifeafteradventism Follow Andrew’s account on neurodivergence and high control religion @divergent.faith  Join Andrew’s Substack (Kerb Your Enthusiasm) www.andrewkerbs.substack.com  To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  Join Laura’s Substack (Therapy in the Headlines) www.drlauraeanderson.substack.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    1h 18m
  4. FEB 17

    The Unique Impacts of Purity Culture on Men w/ Brad Onishi (re-release)

    This month we are talking about purity culture and its impact on individuals who grew up male in this system. We are thrilled to have Dr. Bradley Onishi on the podcast today as our professional who has done research on purity culture and client-facing work in this area as well as being a purity culture poster boy himself. Join Brad and Laura as they discuss the unique impacts of purity culture on men, shame, the expectations of being a “Godly man” and what happens when you don’t measure up to that, as well as the importance of men learning how to step out of of the prescribed roles and mentality that both purity culture and patriarchy prop up.  Resources Mentioned:  Fair Play (book and game) by Eve Rodsky  Mild at Heart podcast series (can be found on the website below and using “Mild” in the search bar) Guest: Brad Onishi Website: https://www.straightwhiteamericanjesus.com Instagram/TT: @straightwhitejc This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything  To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    1h 10m
  5. FEB 10

    Reclaiming Faith as a Queer Person

    In this episode, Reverend Brandan Robertson joins Sunday School Dropouts for a deeply honest conversation about growing up queer in the church, surviving purity culture, and finding a faith that no longer requires self-erasure. Brandan shares his journey from a fundamentalist Baptist background through Moody Bible Institute, including repeated discipline for asking hard questions and his experience with conversion therapy, and how those moments ultimately pushed him toward a more expansive and life-giving theology. Together, we talk about the so-called “clobber passages,” why they’ve been misused to police LGBTQ+ people, how purity culture damages everyone it touches, and what it means to experience a kind of second adolescence after leaving religious shame behind. Brandan also reflects on digital ministry, TikTok theology, and the real hope he sees in inclusive faith communities that are thriving even in unlikely places. Share your purity culture stories with us by leaving a voicemail or sending your story to us! This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything  To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    1h 17m
  6. FEB 3

    Neurodivergence and Purity Culture

    In this episode of Sunday School Dropouts, licensed clinical mental health counselor Michelle Moseley joins Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs to explore the intersection of purity culture and neurodivergence. Michelle shares why rigid religious systems can initially feel safe for neurodivergent people while ultimately causing deep harm through shame, masking, and burnout. The conversation offers insight into why healing often looks less like fixing and more like rest, autonomy, and gently reconnecting with pleasure and self-trust. Share your purity culture stories with us by leaving a voicemail or sending your story to us! Find Michelle at MichelleFMoseley.com  Educational Workshops and Seminars:  https://michellefmoseley.com/workshops-seminars/ This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram @andrew_kerbs Follow Andrew’s post-SDA account @lifeafteradventism Follow Andrew’s account on neurodivergence and high control religion @divergent.faith  Join Andrew’s Substack (Kerb Your Enthusiasm) www.andrewkerbs.substack.com  To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  Join Laura’s Substack (Therapy in the Headlines) www.drlauraeanderson.substack.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    1h 32m
  7. JAN 27

    Purity Culture, Diet Culture, and Body Image

    In this episode, Laura and Andrew sit down with Trisha Wilkerson to explore the powerful intersections between purity culture, diet culture, and body shame. Trisha shares her journey from 25 years in evangelical ministry at Mars Hill Church to becoming a trauma-informed nutrition coach helping people heal their relationship with food and their bodies. Share your purity culture stories with us by leaving a voicemail or sending your story to us! Guest Info:  Website: Personal Website: www.trishawilkerson.com. Business: www.theaftermathagency.com Social Media: IG: @trisharwilkerson Book: Everyday Worship: Our Work, Heart and Jesus This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups. Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything  To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    1h 4m
  8. JAN 20

    How Patriarchy & Purity Culture Shape Men

    Dan Miller is back, and this time we are talking about the side of purity culture that almost never gets center stage: how it messes with men. While purity culture is usually framed around controlling women’s bodies and desires, Dan helps us unpack how men and those socialized as male are shaped by shame, fear, and some wildly unhealthy expectations. From being taught they are inherently dangerous to being trapped in rigid ideas of masculinity, this conversation looks at how purity culture limits emotional range, intimacy, and even basic self understanding long after people have deconstructed the theology. We get into everything from the predator versus protector binary to the loneliness epidemic among men, why anger becomes the only socially acceptable emotion, and how the “slippery slope” logic around touch wrecks healthy connection. Dan also walks through what healing can actually look like, including somatic awareness, parts work, and relearning how to experience pleasure and desire without shame. We wrap by talking about what it might look like to raise boys differently, with more room for emotions, curiosity, and care. Equal parts thoughtful, validating, and gently unhinged in the best way, this episode is for anyone trying to unlearn the damage purity culture did to their body, their relationships, or their sense of self. Connect with Dan: Website: CTRR Practitioner bio page Social Media: Straight White American Jesus Podcast, Co-Host, Instagram: @straightwhitejc, Twitter: @straightwhitejc Email: danielmillerswaj@gmail.com Resources discussed in this episode:  Jesus and John Wayne by Kristen Kobes duMez  This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything  To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    1h 45m
4.7
out of 5
60 Ratings

About

Sunday School Dropouts is a podcast hosted by trained therapists Dr. Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs. Both Andrew and Laura grew up in high control religion and spent years trying to live up to the rules and standards until one day, they couldn’t do it anymore. They spent our lives aspiring to be true followers of God and all they got from it was religious trauma.So now, they’re taking our lived experiences along with their education, training, and work with clients to create this podcast–a podcast that goes beyond deconstruction and focuses on the unique aspects healing and recovery for folks coming out of high control religions, cults, fundamentalism, purity culture and those with religious trauma. Each episode they will be talking with other experts, mental health practitioners, coaches, advocates, therapists and folks who have survived fundamentalist systems, to learn from their experiences and offer resources and support for healing.

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