Sunday School Dropouts

Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery
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Sunday School Dropouts is a podcast hosted by trained therapists Dr. Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs. Both Andrew and Laura grew up in high control religion and spent years trying to live up to the rules and standards until one day, they couldn’t do it anymore. They spent our lives aspiring to be true followers of God and all they got from it was religious trauma.So now, they’re taking our lived experiences along with their education, training, and work with clients to create this podcast–a podcast that goes beyond deconstruction and focuses on the unique aspects healing and recovery for folks coming out of high control religions, cults, fundamentalism, purity culture and those with religious trauma. Each episode they will be talking with other experts, mental health practitioners, coaches, advocates, therapists and folks who have survived fundamentalist systems, to learn from their experiences and offer resources and support for healing.

  1. 5D AGO

    Transitioning out of Purity Culture (Re-Release)

    On today’s episode of Sunday School Dropouts we will be talking to Cody Harman, a certified fitness coach and nutritionist! Cody shares his story of growing up within evangelicalism and purity culture being socialized female, coming out and transitioning. Cody’s lets us in on his process of healing from the shame and harm that was caused by high control religion and offers encouragement and hope on the journey of healing. You can find Cody at the following places: • Instagram: @mrcoachcody_scoobyprep • TikTok: @mrcoachcody • Facebook: Cody Harman • Twitter: @mrcoachcody YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Codytalks11/featured • Website: www.codyharman.com This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything  Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji  Editing and Production by Kevin Crowe

    1h 4m

  2. MAY 5

    The Manosphere and the Fundamentalism Pipeline

    In this episode, Laura is joined by Dan Miller for his fifth visit to the show to dissect the complex intersections of modern masculinity and religious extremism. Using Senator Josh Hawley's book as a primary case study, the discussion explores why certain conservative movements choose the biblical figure of Adam over Jesus as their primary archetype for manhood. This shift reflects a broader desire for a dominant alpha male figure that aligns more closely with imperial power than the humble and sacrificial themes found in the Gospels. The conversation examines how this ideological framework feeds into a larger pipeline connecting the secular manosphere with high control religious environments, offering men a sense of certainty and hierarchy in an increasingly unstable world. The dialogue also addresses the genuine social crises contributing to male loneliness and identity loss, such as economic shifts and a lack of community purpose. Rather than providing constructive solutions, these movements often redirect valid frustrations toward marginalized groups or a nostalgic, mythic vision of the Roman Empire. Miller and Laura explore the psychological defense mechanisms of aggression and the difficulty many men face when sitting with insecurity or trauma. The episode concludes by highlighting healthier alternatives to traditional patriarchy, emphasizing the importance of vulnerability, collaborative parenting, and the quiet strength found in caring professions and civic engagement. Share your purity culture stories with us by leaving a voicemail or sending your story to us! This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @andrew_kerbs To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    1h 26m

  3. APR 28

    The Secret Psychology of Mormon Wives: Marriage, Conflict, and the Taylor & Dakota Dynamic

    In this deep dive into the Hulu phenomenon The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, host Laura is joined by licensed marriage and family therapist Ashley Buckner to peel back the layers of drama and reveal the complex psychological machinery underneath. The duo explores how the Mormon influencer pipeline was born from a culture of polished aesthetics and public testimony, and why the sudden shift in financial power—where women become primary breadwinners in patriarchal households—creates such volatile relational friction. From the Momtok aesthetic to the systemic roots of oversharing, this episode examines how religious conditioning prepares women for the camera while simultaneously stifling their personal development. Beyond the viral TikToks, the conversation tackles the heavy reality of identity foreclosure and arrested development, explaining why early marriage often leads to acting out later in life. Buckner provides a compassionate, trauma-informed perspective on the cast's experiences, specifically looking at somatic symptoms of sexual trauma and the ways purity culture inflates and weaponizes the concept of cheating. Whether you are a fan of the show or a survivor of a high-control group, this episode offers a frank discussion on generational trauma, the lack of boundaries inherent in confession culture, and why some therapists actually recommend this reality TV trainwreck as a legitimate tool for deconstructing religious trauma. Share your purity culture stories with us by leaving a voicemail or sending your story to us! This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @andrew_kerbs To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    1h 19m

  4. APR 21

    The Secret Psychology of Mormon Wives: Identity, Religion, and Influencer Culture

    In this deep dive into the Hulu phenomenon The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, host Laura is joined by licensed marriage and family therapist Ashley Buckner to peel back the layers of drama and reveal the complex psychological machinery underneath. The duo explores how the Mormon influencer pipeline was born from a culture of polished aesthetics and public testimony, and why the sudden shift in financial power—where women become primary breadwinners in patriarchal households—creates such volatile relational friction. From the Momtok aesthetic to the systemic roots of oversharing, this episode examines how religious conditioning prepares women for the camera while simultaneously stifling their personal development. Beyond the viral TikToks, the conversation tackles the heavy reality of identity foreclosure and arrested development, explaining why early marriage often leads to acting out later in life. Buckner provides a compassionate, trauma-informed perspective on the cast's experiences, specifically looking at somatic symptoms of sexual trauma and the ways purity culture inflates and weaponizes the concept of cheating. Whether you are a fan of the show or a survivor of a high-control group, this episode offers a frank discussion on generational trauma, the lack of boundaries inherent in confession culture, and why some therapists actually recommend this reality TV trainwreck as a legitimate tool for deconstructing religious trauma. This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @andrew_kerbs To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    1h 25m

  5. APR 14

    Sex and Porn Addiction: are these real things?

    In this episode of Sunday School Dropouts, Andrew and Laura deconstruct the complex intersection of high control religion and the controversial labels of sex and porn addiction. They explore how purity culture utilizes shame-based language and abstinence-only messaging to pathologize normal sexual development, often through influential texts like Every Man’s Battle. The discussion clarifies that neither the DSM nor the WHO recognizes sex addiction as a clinical diagnosis. Instead, the hosts look at Compulsive Sexual Behavior Disorder through a scientific lens, focusing on impulse control and the nervous system rather than moral failure. By examining how these behaviors often serve as attempts to self-regulate in the face of ADHD, trauma, or anxiety, the episode reveals how the church frequently creates the very cycles of secrecy it claims to cure. The conversation further examines the profound damage these teachings inflict on individuals and their relationships. For men, this often results in a fragmented identity and a narrative of being inherently predatory, while women are frequently burdened with hypervigilance and the responsibility of monitoring male behavior. These dynamics replace genuine intimacy with surveillance and enmeshment, eroding trust between partners. Andrew and Laura shift the focus toward a healthier path to healing that prioritizes somatic work, internal coping skills, and the reclamation of personal agency. By moving away from the "just stop" approach that consistently backfires, listeners are invited to consider a more compassionate, evidence-based understanding of sexual health and recovery. This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @andrew_kerbs To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    1h 15m

  6. APR 7

    How Deconstructing POWER Healed My Marriage

    In this episode, Andrew is joined by writer and editor Halley Kim to explore the profound intersection of theology, patriarchy, and personal agency. As a former pastor’s wife within conservative Evangelicalism, Halley shares her journey of moving beyond simple theological deconstruction to dismantle the power structures that once defined her life and marriage. Together, they discuss the dehumanizing effects of purity culture and the "anti-knowing" messages that discourage women from trusting their own intuition. Halley offers a unique perspective on the professional and personal costs of questioning the status quo while navigating the slow, redemptive process of building a marriage rooted in mutual power rather than hierarchy. Beyond her history in the church, Halley brings her extensive background in maternal healthcare as a registered nurse and doula to the conversation, drawing striking parallels between the midwifery model of care and liberation theology. She reflects on the transformative experience of finally preaching from a pulpit once forbidden to her and discusses her ongoing research into how our internal God images—whether authoritarian or benevolent—shape our real-world behavior. This conversation is a deep dive into reclaiming one's voice, the nuances of raising children with theological plurality, and the messy, beautiful work of healing after years of institutional silence. Share your purity culture stories with us by leaving a voicemail or sending your story to us! Guest Info:  Website: https://halleykim.com/ Social Media: https://www.instagram.com/maybegodisamidwife/ https://www.instagram.com/maybegodisamidwife/https://substack.com/@maybegodisamidwifehttps://www.halleykim.comRecent article for Feminism and Religion: https://feminismandreligion.com/2025/10/26/god-is-a-midwife-by-halley-kim/#more-72948My website and portfolio, including my writing, editing, sermons, and podcast interviews: https://halleykim.com/portfolio/My freelance editing business, Jigsaw Editing: https://halleykim.com/services/My instagram and Substack @maybegodisamidwifeThis podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram @andrew_kerbs Follow Andrew’s post-SDA account @lifeafteradventism Follow Andrew’s account on neurodivergence and high control religion @divergent.faith  Join Andrew’s Substack (Kerb Your Enthusiasm) www.andrewkerbs.substack.com  To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call

    1h 20m

  7. MAR 31

    When the Body Keeps the Faith: Purity Culture and Chronic Pain

    In this episode, we're joined by Nicole Clifton, a coach specializing in faith deconstruction, purity culture trauma, and chronic illness support. Nicole shares her personal journey navigating chronic pain for nearly 20 years while growing up in evangelical Christianity. We explore the often-overlooked connection between purity culture and chronic health conditions, discussing how high-control religious environments create constant hypervigilance and stress that can manifest as long-term physical symptoms. Nicole explains how messages about ignoring bodily signals, maintaining perfectionism, and living in perpetual fear of making mistakes kept her disconnected from her body's wisdom for years. The conversation dives into practical healing approaches for those dealing with both religious trauma and chronic illness. Nicole emphasizes the importance of self-compassion, body neutrality (rather than toxic positivity), and learning to tune into bodily signals without judgment. We discuss how shame operates as both an emotional and physiological state, the value of acceptance-based approaches for chronic pain, and why rebuilding trust with your body is essential after years of being taught it's dangerous or sinful. Nicole offers hope through her own transformation—from viewing her body as "defective" and a "liability" to recognizing it as resilient and deserving of care and compassion. Website: CTRR Bio Social Media: @nicoleclifton_inyourcorner Anything else (e.g. book title and link)  Resources discussed in this episode:  What Doesn’t Kill You by Tessa Miller This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram @andrew_kerbs Follow Andrew’s post-SDA account @lifeafteradventism Follow Andrew’s account on neurodivergence and high control religion @divergent.faith  Join Andrew’s Substack (Kerb Your Enthusiasm) www.andrewkerbs.substack.com  To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  Join Laura’s Substack (Therapy in the Headlines) www.drlauraeanderson.substack.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and A

    1h 28m

  8. MAR 24

     Purity Test, Perfectionism, and Power in Relationships

    In the conclusion of this two-part series, Andrew and Laura reunite with therapists Julia Postema and Jeremiah Gibson to reveal how purity culture reaches far beyond the bedroom. The conversation pulls back the curtain on the "Internal Panopticon," exploring how religious conditioning manifests as perfectionism, decision-making paralysis, and the compulsive emotional caretaking often found in high-control environments. The guests discuss how these evangelical patterns are frequently replicated in progressive spaces and social media "call-out" cultures, where rigid performance often replaces human nuance. By shifting from a fixed mindset of "right vs. wrong" to one of growth and authenticity, Julia and Jeremiah provide a practical framework for naming needs and building relationships without the weight of inherited shame. Share your purity culture stories with us by leaving a voicemail or sending your story to us! Guest Info:  www.sexvangelicals.com  Substack (Relationship 101): https://sexvangelicals.substack.com/ IG: @sexvangelicals Resources discussed in this episode:  The Great Sex Rescue by Sheila Gregorie Matthew Bodie book This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery  The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions. The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  Follow Andrew on Instagram @andrew_kerbs Follow Andrew’s post-SDA account @lifeafteradventism Follow Andrew’s account on neurodivergence and high control religion @divergent.faith  Join Andrew’s Substack (Kerb Your Enthusiasm) www.andrewkerbs.substack.com  To begin working with Andrew as a coach, schedule your FREE inquiry call here Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  Join Laura’s Substack (Therapy in the Headlines) www.drlauraeanderson.substack.com  To work with Laura as a coach, therapist, consultant, or to inquire about other services, you can do so here Hosts:  Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    1h 18m
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Sunday School Dropouts is a podcast hosted by trained therapists Dr. Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs. Both Andrew and Laura grew up in high control religion and spent years trying to live up to the rules and standards until one day, they couldn’t do it anymore. They spent our lives aspiring to be true followers of God and all they got from it was religious trauma.So now, they’re taking our lived experiences along with their education, training, and work with clients to create this podcast–a podcast that goes beyond deconstruction and focuses on the unique aspects healing and recovery for folks coming out of high control religions, cults, fundamentalism, purity culture and those with religious trauma. Each episode they will be talking with other experts, mental health practitioners, coaches, advocates, therapists and folks who have survived fundamentalist systems, to learn from their experiences and offer resources and support for healing.

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  • Creator
    Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    93
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Sunday School Dropouts
  • Show Website
    Sunday School Dropouts

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