Talking Inclusion… With Geoff Barton

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A podcast from the IPPR Inclusion Taskforce What does truly inclusive education look like, and how can we make it better? Hosted by Geoff Barton, former general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders (ASCL) and chair of the IPPR Inclusion Taskforce, this series features conversations with parents, teachers, young people, and experts from across the UK. With support from Margaret Mulholland, SEN and Inclusion Policy Specialist at ASCL, the podcast asks what’s working, what’s not, and where change should begin. Talking Inclusion blends lived experience with policy insight

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  1. 5 小時前

    “We’re in education to serve children” with Georgina Ellis

    In this episode, Geoff Barton talks with Georgina Ellis, executive director of SEND at the Unity Schools Partnership - a family of 40 schools across Suffolk, Essex, and Norfolk. Sharing how Unity is integrating mainstream and specialist provision through SEND units, specialist schools, and shared best practice across the trust. Georgina emphasises one simple principle: inclusion works best when schools, families, and local authorities work together to put children first.

    11 分鐘

  2. 2 天前

    “We need to see children in context, not categories” with Dr Sami Timimi

    In this episode, Geoff Barton speaks with Dr Sami Timimi - consultant child and adolescent psychiatrist, psychotherapist, and author of Searching for Normal. Together, they explore the controversial question: are we over-diagnosing and over-medicalising children?

    29 分鐘

  3. 4 天前

    “Fixing SEND by fixing education” with Stephen Kingdom

    In this episode Margaret Mulholland speaks with Stephen Kingdom, campaign manager from the Disabled Children’s Partnership and former Deputy Director for SEND at the Department for Education. Drawing on decades of experience, Stephen argues that the question isn’t simply how to “fix” the SEND system, but how to build an education, health, and social care system that works for all children.

    11 分鐘

  4. 9月12日

    “Square pegs, round holes” with Ellie Costello

    In this episode of Talking Inclusion, Geoff Barton talks with Ellie Costello, executive director of Square Peg, an organisation representing families of children who struggle to access or remain in education. Reflecting in part on her lived parental experience of what inclusion does and doesn’t feel like for too many young people. They discuss why the current system too often fails young people who don’t 'fit' the model of mainstream schooling, and the urgent need for an education system that builds equity in by design, not as an add-on.

    21 分鐘

  5. 9月10日

    “We must do better for our children” with Dame Rachel de Souza

    In this episode, Geoff Barton speaks with Dame Rachel de Souza, the Children’s Commissioner for England, about her bold new Children’s Plan. Based on conversations with over a million children and responses from 90% of headteachers across the country, the plan lays out a vision for tackling some of the hardest issues in education: from SEND provision and waiting times to mental health, attendance, poverty, and the collapse of wider services.

    13 分鐘

  6. 9月8日

    "Inclusion on the margins" with Sarah Johnson

    In this latest episode Geoff Barton talks to Sarah Johnson, president of PRUsAP - the organisation that represents pupil referral units and alternative provision - about the important role these places play in helping children and young people to feel a sense of achievement and belonging. With over 20 years’ experience working with excluded children, Sarah explains how PRUs and AP settings can transform lives by providing belonging, achievement, and specialist support for young people too often pushed to the margins of education. She highlights examples of good practice, the importance of early intervention, and the need for stability and joined-up working between schools, health, and social care.

    16 分鐘

  7. 9月5日

    "Belonging matters" with Carrie Grant

    In this episode, Geoff Barton talks to broadcaster and vocal coach Carrie Grant. She is also the parent of four children with special education needs and talks about her personal experience of navigating a complicated system, including feeling she had to go into battle to gain an education, health & care plan (EHCP) to unlock further support.

    20 分鐘

  8. 9月2日

    "Reforming Inclusion" with Professor Mel Ainscow

    In this episode, Geoff Barton talks to Professor Mel Ainscow, a global expert on inclusion, and long-standing adviser to UNESCO. Drawing on insights from his latest book, Reforming Education Systems for Inclusion and Equity (Routledge), he explores what England can learn from international examples to create a truly inclusive education system.

    21 分鐘

  9. 8月29日

    "A dose of optimism" with Katie Ghose

    Geoff Barton talks to Katie Ghose — vice-chair of the Disabled Children’s Partnership and chief executive of KIDS (motto: “Disabled children say ‘we can’!”) — for a dose of optimism about what genuine inclusion could look like. Together they explore how the narrative around special educational needs and disabilities (SEND) can move away from deficit and barriers toward joy, belonging, and opportunity.

    15 分鐘

  10. 8月26日

    "What would a wise parent wish for their child?" with Dr Nic Crossley

    Geoff sits down with Dr Nic Crossley, CEO of Liberty Academy Trust - a partnership of three specialist schools established in 2022 to support the educational experience of autistic young people - as they explore how schools and the state can better support children with special educational needs. The conversation highlights the need for autism-affirming practice, the importance of high-quality teaching for every child, and why real change requires courage and partnership rather than endless reviews.

    18 分鐘

  11. 8月20日

    "Every learner matters and matters equally" with Margaret Mulholland

    Geoff sits down with Margaret Mulholland, SEND and Inclusion Policy Specialist at ASCL, as she shares her perspective on how the education system can better support learners with special educational needs. She discusses the importance of equity, the challenges of education, health and care plans (EHCPs), and the need for systemic reform that removes barriers rather than reinforces them.

    14 分鐘
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簡介

A podcast from the IPPR Inclusion Taskforce What does truly inclusive education look like, and how can we make it better? Hosted by Geoff Barton, former general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders (ASCL) and chair of the IPPR Inclusion Taskforce, this series features conversations with parents, teachers, young people, and experts from across the UK. With support from Margaret Mulholland, SEN and Inclusion Policy Specialist at ASCL, the podcast asks what’s working, what’s not, and where change should begin. Talking Inclusion blends lived experience with policy insight

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    The Institute for Public Policy Research
  • 活躍年代
    2025年
  • 集數
    11
  • 年齡分級
    兒少適宜
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    © The Institute for Public Policy Research
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    Talking Inclusion… With Geoff Barton

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