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On this episode of “I Have a Client Who . . .” a client reports she has been diagnosed with pelvic organ prolapse: Her uterus, bladder, and colon are descending into her vagina. She is young and otherwise healthy, but her body seems to be falling apart. Is there anything massage therapy can do to help?
 
Sponsors:  
 
 
Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com  
 
 
Massage Mentor Institute: www.themassagementorinstitute.com
 
 
Host Bio:        
          
Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com.   
               
                 
Recent Articles by Ruth:       
 
“Working with Invisible Pain,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, November/December 2022, page 36, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1481961-november-december-2022/38
 
“Unpacking the Long Haul,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, January/February 2022, page 35, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1439667-january-february-2022/36.
 
“Chemotherapy-Induced Peripheral Neuropathy and Massage Therapy,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, September/October 2021, page 33, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1402696-september-october-2021/34. 
 
        
“Pharmacology Basics for Massage Therapists,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, July/August 2021, page 32, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1384577-july-august-2021/34.    
 
 
 
Resources: 
 
Pocket Pathology: https://www.abmp.com/abmp-pocket-pathology-app
 
5 Things I Wish All Women Knew About Pelvic Organ Prolapse (no date). Available at: https://www.acog.org/en/womens-health/experts-and-stories/the-latest/5-things-i-wish-all-women-knew-about-pelvic-organ-prolapse (Accessed: 15 March 2023).
 
Pelvic organ prolapse | Office on Women’s Health (no date). Available at: https://www.womenshealth.gov/a-z-topics/pelvic-organ-prolapse (Accessed: 15 March 2023).
 
Pelvic Organ Prolapse: Types, Causes, Symptoms & Treatment (no date) Cleveland Clinic. Available at: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/24046-pelvic-organ-prolapse (Accessed: 15 March 2023).
 
About our Sponsor:
 
Massage Mentor Institute
 
In 2019, Diane Matkowski, aka the Massage Mentor, began a closed Facebook page for hosting discussions with industry leaders. These interviews gave her an idea for The Massage Mentor Institute and Jam Series workshops.
The goal was to create various continuing education classes offered in one spot. The Institute is a space for massage therapists to learn different approaches and philosophies of bodywork and business classes. It’s also home to the Shoulder, Hip, Neck, and Back Jam workshops.
We believe that no one technique works for every human being. Our goal is to help you find your path. We have selected teachers we trust, admire, and believe will help you grow as a licensed massage therapist.
 
Website: themassagementorinstitute.com
 
Facebook Group: facebook.com/themassagementor
 
Instagram: @massagementorinstitute
 

For thousands of years, various cultures have used sound as a tool for healing. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren speak with Ben Brown, founder of HND + TMPL Massage Therapy, about how sound affects the body, mind, and spirit, insight into what a sound offering consists of, and how different instruments play different roles during a massage session.
Ben Brown is the founder of HND + TMPL Massage Therapy, an NYS-licensed massage therapist and educator, a sound practitioner, and a former GYROTONIC instructor. Ben’s practice is based on the wisdom of the body to find its way back to health. He strives through conscious touch, to create space and awareness of the body in its present state.
Resources:
 
Learn more at handandtemple.com
 
Hosts:
 
Darren Buford is senior director of communications and editor-in-chief for ABMP. He is editor of Massage & Bodywork magazine and has worked for ABMP for 22 years, and been involved in journalism at the association, trade, and consumer levels for 24 years. He has served as board member and president of the Western Publishing Association, as well as board member for Association Media & Publishing. Contact him at editor@abmp.com.
Kristin Coverly, LMT is a massage therapist, educator, and the director of professional education at ABMP. She loves creating continuing education courses, events, and resources to support massage therapists and bodyworkers as they enhance their lives and practices. Contact her at ce@abmp.com.
 
 
Sponsors:
 
 
Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com 
 
 
AnatomySCAPES: www.anatomyscapes.com
 
 
Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function.    
                
Website: anatomytrains.com    
 
                  
Email: info@anatomytrains.com  
        
 
Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains 
 
                    
Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial
 
 
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA  
 
 
AnatomySCAPES—created by and for hands-on professionals.
As therapists, we want more than labeled charts of muscles, nerves, and bones. We crave anatomy education that informs our touch, and we want the know-how for working with the “stuff” in between. We want the whole story.
Led by AnatomySCAPES co-directors, and ABMP Massage & Bodywork magazine columnists, Rachelle Clauson (FRS Fascial Net Plastination Project) and Nicole Trombley (Equilibrio Massage), our in-person lab workshops are in sunny San Diego, not far from the ocean. We teach you what the tissues look like, feel like, how they move, and how they relate to their surroundings.
Your eyes and hands learn to “see” what they could not see before. Come join us in the lab in 2023!
 
Website: www.anatomyscapes.com
 
FB: facebook.com/AnatomySCAPES
 
IG: instagram.com/anatomyscapes
 
YouTube: youtube.com/@anatomyscapes
 
Email: info@anato

A young woman is newly diagnosed with irritable bowel syndrome. Is massage therapy safe? Can it be helpful? What does a massage therapist need to know ahead of time?
Answers: Yes, yes, and it’s all here in this episode of I Have a Client Who . . .
Sponsors:  
 
Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com  
 
Massage Mentor Institute: www.themassagementorinstitute.com
 
Host Bio:        
          
Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com.   
               
                 
Recent Articles by Ruth:       
 
“Working with Invisible Pain,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, November/December 2022, page 36, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1481961-november-december-2022/38
 
“Unpacking the Long Haul,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, January/February 2022, page 35, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1439667-january-february-2022/36.
“Chemotherapy-Induced Peripheral Neuropathy and Massage Therapy,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, September/October 2021, page 33, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1402696-september-october-2021/34. 
        
“Pharmacology Basics for Massage Therapists,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, July/August 2021, page 32, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1384577-july-august-2021/34.    
 
 
 
Resources: 
 
Pocket Pathology: https://www.abmp.com/abmp-pocket-pathology-app
 
About our Sponsor:
 
Massage Mentor Institute
 
In 2019, Diane Matkowski, aka the Massage Mentor, began a closed Facebook page for hosting discussions with industry leaders. These interviews gave her an idea for The Massage Mentor Institute and Jam Series workshops.
The goal was to create various continuing education classes offered in one spot. The Institute is a space for massage therapists to learn different approaches and philosophies of bodywork and business classes. It’s also home to the Shoulder, Hip, Neck, and Back Jam workshops.
We believe that no one technique works for every human being. Our goal is to help you find your path. We have selected teachers we trust, admire, and believe will help you grow as a licensed massage therapist.
Website: themassagementorinstitute.com
Facebook Group: facebook.com/themassagementor
Instagram: @massagementorinstitute
 

Hidden in the shadows, the serratus posterior superior and inferior are, what I like to call, our anatomical parentheses. Subtle, nuanced, and often ignored, finding where they are and what they feel like is crucial to the work we do. In this episode of The Rebel MT, I underscore pushing our awareness beyond what we’ve been taught and to see what anatomy is trying to tell us.  
 
Host:     
            
Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com     
      
Allison’s website: www.rebelmassage.com          
          
Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist and certified YouTuber. You can find her massage tutorials at YouTube.com/RebelMassage. She is also passionate about creating products that are kind, simple, and productive for therapists to use in their practices. Her products, along with access to her blog and CE opportunities, can be found at rebelmassage.com.        
     
Allison’s column in Massage & Bodywork magazine:  
 
“The QL and the Psoas: The Epitome of Codependency” by Allison Denney, Massage & Bodywork magazine, January/February 2022, page 24. 
 
“The Hand: A User’s Guide,” by Allison Denney, Massage & Bodywork magazine. November/December 2021, page 81.
 
“Feelization: Connect with Clients on a Deeper Level,” by Allison Denney, Massage & Bodywork magazine, September/October 2021, page 85.
 
This podcast sponsored by:  
 
Rebel Massage Therapist: http://www.rebelmassage.com
 
Rebel Massage Therapist:
My name is Allison. And I am not your typical massage therapist. After 20 years of experience and thousands of clients, I have learned that massage therapy is SO MUCH more than a relaxing experience at a spa. I see soft tissue as more than merely a physical element but a deeply complex, neurologically driven part of who you are. I use this knowledge to work WITH you—not ON you—to create change that works. This is the basis of my approach. As a massage therapist, I have worked in almost every capacity, including massage clinics, physical therapy clinics, chiropractor offices, spas, private practice, and teaching. I have learned incredible techniques and strategies from each of my experiences. In my 20 years as a massage therapist, I have never stopped growing. I currently have a private practice based out of Long Beach, California, where I also teach continuing education classes and occasionally work on my kids. If they’re good.
 
website: www.rebelmassage.com
 
 
FB: facebook.com/RebelMassage
 
 
IG: instagram.com/rebelmassagetherapist
 
 
YouTube: youtube.com/c/RebelMassage
 
 
email: rebelmassagetherapist@gmail.com
 
 

Design can be simple. Maybe that’s why it’s so complicated. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren are joined by Carolyn Boldt, VP/Director of Design for CrossFields, to discuss what to look for when evaluating office space, how owning versus leasing plays a role in how you plan your design, why design is key to client retention, and design trends that have real staying power.
Carolyn is passionate about holistic health and wellness, and an outspoken advocate that the environment of your space impacts your success.
Carolyn has over 40 years of experience in the commercial interior industry, holds a bachelor’s degree in Interior Architectural Design from the University of Texas at Austin, is NCIDQ Certified, a registered designer, a LEED AP, and a professional member of the International Interior Design Association (IIDA).
In 2004, she and her husband, Scott, co-founded CrossFields as a design-build firm in Atlanta. In 2011 they changed their focus to expand the impact of holistic health by elevating the public’s image of alternative medicine through virtually creating outstanding healing environments nationwide.
Carolyn loves to spend time with her eight wonderful grandchildren, church and community activities, traveling, and boating on the lake with her husband.
 
Resources:
 
Online Products Available Here (Use code ABMP30 for Discounts): https://chiropracticofficedesign.com/abmp/ 
 
 
Hosts:
 
Darren Buford is senior director of communications and editor-in-chief for ABMP. He is editor of Massage & Bodywork magazine and has worked for ABMP for 22 years, and been involved in journalism at the association, trade, and consumer levels for 24 years. He has served as board member and president of the Western Publishing Association, as well as board member for Association Media & Publishing. Contact him at editor@abmp.com.
Kristin Coverly, LMT is a massage therapist, educator, and the director of professional education at ABMP. She loves creating continuing education courses, events, and resources to support massage therapists and bodyworkers as they enhance their lives and practices. Contact her at ce@abmp.com.
 
Sponsors:
 
 
Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com 
 
 
AnatomySCAPES: www.anatomyscapes.com
 
 
 
Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function.    
                
Website: anatomytrains.com    
                  
Email: info@anatomytrains.com          
 
Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains 
                    
Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial
 
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA  
 
 
AnatomySCAPES—created by and for hands-on professionals.
As therapists, we want more than labeled charts of muscles, nerves, and bones. We crave anatomy education that informs our touch, and we want the know-how for working with the “stuff” in between. We want th

A massage therapist lives and works near the East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment site. They want to know about the possible risks of working with people exposed to chemical toxins. With so many unknowns, what’s the safest way to proceed? Join host Ruth Werner as she helps answer that question and others in this episode of “I Have a Client Who . . .”
 
Sponsors:  
 
Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com  
 
Massage Mentor Institute: www.themassagementorinstitute.com
 
 
Host Bio:        
          
Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com.   
               
                 
Recent Articles by Ruth:       
 
“Working with Invisible Pain,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, November/December 2022, page 36, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1481961-november-december-2022/38
 
“Unpacking the Long Haul,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, January/February 2022, page 35, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1439667-january-february-2022/36.
“Chemotherapy-Induced Peripheral Neuropathy and Massage Therapy,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, September/October 2021, page 33, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1402696-september-october-2021/34. 
        
“Pharmacology Basics for Massage Therapists,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, July/August 2021, page 32, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1384577-july-august-2021/34.    
 
 
 
Resources: 
 
Pocket Pathology: https://www.abmp.com/abmp-pocket-pathology-app
 
Phone number for free, private water testing: 330-849-3919
Allnutt, B. (2023) ‘East Palestine waste could mean more PFAS, dioxins in Michigan waterways’, Planet Detroit, 26 February. Available at: https://planetdetroit.org/2023/02/east-palestine-waste-could-mean-more-pfas-dioxins-in-michigan-waterways/ (Accessed: 1 March 2023).
Bartels, M. (no date) Chemical Health Risks from the Ohio Train Accident—What We Know So Far, Scientific American. Available at: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chemical-health-risks-from-the-ohio-train-accident-what-we-know-so-far/ (Accessed: 22 February 2023).
EPA not testing for dioxins in East Palestine, Ohio, scientist Stephen Lester calls reason ‘lame’ (no date). Available at: https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/east-palestine-train-derailment/epa-not-testing-for-dioxins-scientist-calls-reason-lame/ (Accessed: 1 March 2023).
How the Ohio Train Derailment Could Affect Your Health (2023) Men’s Health. Available at: https://www.menshealth.com/health/a43008521/ohio-train-derailment-health-effects/ (Accessed: 28 February 2023).
Kwong, E., Cirino, M. and Ramirez, R. (2023a) ‘How the EPA assesses health risks after the Ohio train derailment’, NPR, 27 February. Available at: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/24/1159385101/how-the-epa-assesses-health-risks-after-the-ohio-train-derailment (Accessed: 28 February 2023).
‘Like putting a puzzle together’: CDC arrives in Ohio to investigate health risks from toxic train derailment (2023) NBC News. Available at: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ohio-derailment-cdc-begins-investigation-toxic-tra