Episode OverviewIn this episode of The Articulate Fly podcast, host Marvin Cash catches up with master casting instructor Mac Brown for another installment of Casting Angles — a recurring segment dedicated to fly casting education and the business of fly fishing instruction. Recorded just after Mac returned from back-to-back appearances at the Denver and Bellevue stops of the Fly Fishing Show, the conversation covers his experience on the road, a spontaneous three-day steelhead spey fishing trip squeezed between shows and what's ahead on the Fly Fishing Show calendar. Mac and Marvin dig into the practical value of two-handed casting techniques on single-handed rods — particularly for tight Appalachian streams and summertime smallmouth fishing on rivers like the Little Tennessee, Pigeon and Tuckaseegee. Mac makes a compelling case that mastering the roll cast and a module of switch/spey casts (snake roll, snap T, snap C, Z cast, A cast) transforms an angler's ability to present flies on any water, not just big steelhead rivers. The episode wraps with late-winter fishing observations, a teaser about the upcoming Lancaster Fly Fishing Show and a reminder that Mac's guide schools, casting schools and specialty classes are bookable on his website. Key TakeawaysHow to expand your presentation options on tight Appalachian streams by adding spey and switch casts to your single-handed rod repertoire.Why the roll cast is the essential foundation of all two-handed casting, and why building it first unlocks the entire spey/switch toolkit.How to use two-handed delivery moves — snake rolls, snap Ts, Z casts and others — for summertime smallmouth fishing.When to capitalize on late-winter warmup windows by monitoring water temperatures, even when air temps feel comfortable for trout fishing.Why fishing from the tail of a long pool with two-handed casting techniques gives you a longer drift, better positioning and keeps big fish unaware of your presence. Techniques & Gear CoveredMac Brown covers the full spectrum of spey and switch casting moves applicable to single-handed rods, including the roll cast, snake roll, snap T, snap C, Z cast and A cast — what he describes as a "module of eight or nine" setup-and-deliver sequences that, once internalized, become intuitive rather than mechanical. A key theme is translating techniques typically practiced on grass into real fishing scenarios: managing 50–60 feet of shooting line in your fingers, reading pool geometry and making decisions about river-left vs. river-right presentations coming out of winter. Mac also references the two-day and three-day specialty casting schools he runs throughout the season — focused formats on wet fly and dry fly specifically — available through his website under specialty classes. No specific fly patterns or rod brands are mentioned in this episode, keeping the focus squarely on casting mechanics and tactical decision-making. Locations & SpeciesThe episode references several western North Carolina rivers as prime proving grounds for switch and spey techniques on single-handed rods, including Deep Creek, the Davidson River, the Little Tennessee ("Little T"), the Pigeon River and the Tuckaseegee River. These waters illustrate how Appalachian freestone and tailwater streams — often dismissed as "small water" — actually demand long presentations across pools that run 60–70 feet from tail to head. Target species include trout (primarily late-winter/early-spring tailwater trout as conditions warm) and summertime smallmouth bass on the region's larger freestone rivers. Marvin also mentions fishing for steelhead on "the Alley" (the Lake Erie tribs in Ohio, Pennsylvania and New York) en route to the Lancaster Fly Fishing Show, adding a steelhead context that reinforces Mac's recent spey fishing experience in the Pacific Northwest. FAQ / Key Questions AnsweredHow can two-handed casting techniques improve my fishing on small Appalachian streams?Mac Brown explains that many classic Appalachian pools run 60–70 feet from tail to head, which requires longer casts than most anglers expect. By learning spey and switch casts on a single-handed rod, you can position yourself at the tail of a pool, cover the entire pool with precise presentations, gain a longer natural drift and keep large trout unaware of your presence — all without back-casting room. What is the best starting point for learning spey and switch casting?According to Mac, the roll cast is the foundational "get out of jail free card" of fly casting and the essential gateway to all spey and switch moves. Anglers often underestimate the roll cast because their overhead cast feels stronger, but once the roll cast is dialed in, the setup-and-deliver logic of the full spey/switch toolkit becomes accessible and rewarding. When is the right time to fish late-winter trout in the southern Appalachians?Marvin and Mac both note that warming air temperatures in late winter don't automatically mean fish are active — water temperature is the real indicator. The advice is to take advantage of warmer days (40–65°F air temps) that follow prolonged cold snaps, check water temps before committing and expect elevated fish activity when a genuine warmup follows an extended deep freeze. How do two-handed casting techniques translate to smallmouth bass fishing?Mac confirms that spey and switch casts are highly effective for summertime smallmouth fishing on rivers like the Little Tennessee, Pigeon and Tuckaseegee. Figure-of-eights, snake rolls and snap Ts are all applicable, particularly where overhanging trees and river bends limit back-cast room — exactly the conditions that characterize southern Appalachian smallmouth water. What casting programs does Mac Brown offer for serious anglers?Mac offers a range of programs through Mac Brown Fly Fish, including five-day guide schools, two- and three-day weekend casting schools (including specialty formats focused exclusively on wet fly or dry fly) and single-session casting lessons. Weekend scheduling is intentional — designed for anglers who can't take weekday time off work — and upcoming show appearances (Pleasanton, CA and Lancaster, PA) include all-day casting classes as well. Related ContentS7, Ep 16 – Simplifying Complexity: Effective Teaching Strategies in Fly Fishing with Mac Brown S7, Ep 20 – Practice Makes Perfect: Mac Brown on Mastering Casting Techniques S6, Ep 141 – Mastering Cold Weather Fly Fishing with Mac Brown S7, Ep 54 – Chasing Smallmouth: Topwater Tactics for Summer Success with Jake Villwock S7, Ep 28 – Warming Waters and Active Fish: A Spring Fishing Update with Mac Brown Connect with Our GuestFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. Follow the ShowFollow The Articulate Fly on Facebook, Instagram, Threads and YouTube. Follow our Substack newsletter for episode updates, tips and resources. Support the ShowShop through our a...
