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  1. 8h ago

    #33 The Origin Story Behind the CMA's Conduct Requirements w/ Tim Cowen

    This episode features Tim Cowen, discussing the impact of AI Overviews on market competition and news publishers. Tim presents the legal complaints and expertise he has rendered to competition authorities and agencies surrounding market suppression tactics, which can potentially be analysed as competition harms. The episode was recorded before the CMA issued its conduct requirements relating to Google's AI Overviews under the DMCCA, see here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6a1f0098b95db968c8f3bdb9/Publisher_CR_final_decision.pdf. Throughout the conversation, Tim touched upon different tenets of enforcement that have been taking place surrounding Google's position in search. Click on them directly below: - 01:35, Google's introduction of Bard in 2023: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/ai/bard-google-ai-search-updates/. - 01:49, The French competition authority intervenes by fining Google relating to the use of publisher content: https://www.autoritedelaconcurrence.fr/en/article/related-rights-autorite-fines-google-eu250-million. - 02:48, The European Commission's Google Shopping decision: https://competition-cases.ec.europa.eu/cases/AT.39740. - 03:07, The Court of Justice's ruling in Android Auto (actioned by Enel's service, JuicePass): https://infocuria.curia.europa.eu/tabs/document?source=document&docid=295687&doclang=en. - 08:53, Judge Mehta decides that AI is a separate product from search: https://www.npr.org/2025/09/19/nx-s1-5538073/google-search-antitrust-data-privacy. - 10:19, The European Commission triggered a non-compliance procedure against Google's site reputation abuse policy: https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/commission-opens-investigation-potential-digital-markets-act-breach-google-demoting-media-publishers-2025-11-13_en. - 11:23, Bauer Media announces major digital restructure with respect to Heat and Grazia magazines: https://digiday.com/media/bauer-media-group-slashes-publishing-headcount-in-company-wide-restructure/. - 12:41, The Daily Mail reported a +70% decline in click-through rates due to the introduction of AI Overviews: https://digiday.com/media/daily-mail-says-google-ai-overviews-have-killed-click-throughs/. - 13:36, Pew Research Center research on AI Overviews: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/07/22/google-users-are-less-likely-to-click-on-links-when-an-ai-summary-appears-in-the-results/. - 13:36, Enders Analysis research on AI Overviews: https://www.endersanalysis.com/reports/publishers-invisibility-problem-organic-traffic-under-pressure. - 13:36, MIT research on AI Overviews: https://www.mitsloanme.com/article/how-googles-near-accurate-ai-overviews-fuel-misinformation/. - 13:49, Google announces that it will roll out more AI Overviews: https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/search/search-io-2026/. - 14:15, SparkToro reporting on the zero-click world: https://sparktoro.com/blog/in-a-zero-click-world-traffic-is-a-terrible-goal/. - 16:41, Judge Mehta rules AI Overviews conduct as out of scope: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/google-decision-demonstrates-need-to-overhaul-competition-policy-for-ai-era/. - 26:15, Impact of AI on jobs in the UK: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/assessment-of-ai-capabilities-and-the-impact-on-the-uk-labour-market/assessment-of-ai-capabilities-and-the-impact-on-the-uk-labour-market. Key moments00:00 Introduction to AI Overviews and Competition Law01:22 The Complaint Against Google: Background and Context10:49 Google's Defense and the Impact on Publishers16:28 Global Regulatory Landscape and the Role of Authorities23:19 Proposed Remedies and the Future of CompetitionTo learn more about Dr. Alba Ribera Martínez and her research, we invite you to visit her website: https://www.albariberamartinez.com.

    29 min
  2. May 30

    #32 The Hidden Economics of Digital Platforms w/ Prof. Frédéric Marty

    This interview with Frédéric Marty explores the economics of digital platforms, competition law, and the impact of AI on market dynamics. It offers insights into the DMA and platform dependencies that shape the ordoliberal belief in the goals of competition. In the conversation, Fred touched upon a couple of rulings and pointed to a few of his recent research outputs. Click on those directly below: - 04:24, Sai Krishna Kamepalli, Raghuram G. Rajan, and Luigi Zingales' work on the kill zone: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3555915. - 10:20, The Court of Justice's recent Android Auto ruling (Case C-233/23): https://infocuria.curia.europa.eu/tabs/document?source=document&docid=295687&doclang=en. - 11:02, The traditional requirements for refusal to supply in EU competition law, Bronner (Case 7-97): https://infocuria.curia.europa.eu/tabs/affair?lang=en&sort=AFF_NUM-DESC&searchTerm=%22C-7%2F97%22&publishedId=C-7%2F97. - 14:11, Fred's paper alongside Patric Bougette and Oliver Budzinski on 'Ex-ante versus Ex-post in competition law enforcement: Blurred boundaries and economic rationale': https://doi.org/10.1016/j.irle.2025.106264. - 17:25, The French competition authority's report on cloud: https://www.autoritedelaconcurrence.fr/en/press-release/cloud-computing-autorite-de-la-concurrence-issues-its-market-study-competition-cloud. - 18:00, Data egress fees are charges from cloud providers (like AWS, Google Cloud or Azure) for transferring data out of their network or to another region. - 18:40, Fred's work co-authored with Thierry Warin on 'Digital Platforms' Information Concentration: From Keystone Players to Gatekeepers': https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3753779. - 21:17, The "Chevalier de la Palice" (Jacques II de Chabannes) was a 16th-century French nobleman and military commander. Following his death, his grieving troops composed a song in his honor. However, a famous line on his tombstone; "If he weren't dead, he would still be envied" ("S'il n'était pas mort, il ferait encore envie"), was misread centuries later as: "If he weren't dead, he would still be alive" ("S'il n'était pas mort, il serait en vie"). This is where the French word lapalissade (and the English derivative "lapalissian") comes from. - 25:19, Teodora Groza's PhD thesis on 'Governing Innovation: Antitrust and the Organization of Industry': https://sciencespo.hal.science/tel-05379990. To learn more about Dr. Alba Ribera Martínez and her research, we invite you to visit her website: https://www.albariberamartinez.com. She also writes, from time to time, in her newsletter, the DMA Agora, about the latest developments surrounding the European regulation: https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7344021393451184128.

    29 min
  3. May 26

    #31 A Tango Between Harms and Benefits: The EC's Draft Merger Guidelines w/ Prof. Nicolas Petit

    This in-depth interview with Nicolas Petit explores the European Commission's draft Merger Guidelines, focusing on dynamic competition, resilience, innovation, and the evolving analytical framework in merger review. Gain insights into how these changes could impact competition law and industrial policy. Find the Draft Merger Guidelines that we discussed throughout the episode here: https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/document/download/46dde10f-85c1-4590-a3f4-2b71f85685ef_en?filename=Merger%20Guidelines%20-%20final%20for%20public%20consultation.pdf. In the episode, we referenced paragraphs of the Guidelines (find the transcriptions below) and some other developments. Click on the links below to access them directly: - 00:17, The Horizontal 2004 Merger Guidelines: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:52004XC0205(02). - 00:21, The Non-Horizontal 2008 Merger Guidelines: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:52008XC1018(03). - 05:42, Footnote 18 of the Draft Guidelines defining resilience: "the readiness and ability of the internal market or part of it to continue servicing customers and to anticipate, withstand and recover from serious shocks". - 08:35, Paragraph 25 of the Draft Guidelines: "If the merging parties consider that the merger gives rise to efficiencies, as part of their prospective analysis, they must articulate and substantiate, in due time, a ‘theory of benefit’. A theory of benefit sets out how specific merger efficiencies occur and maintain or enhance effective competition, to the benefit of consumers (...)". - 13:56, Paragraph 64 of the Draft Guidelines: "Market shares – especially those based on the previous year – may not fully reflect a firm’s market power (...)". - 14:06, Paragraph 80 of the Draft Guidelines: "In some industries or markets, a static assessment of market power does not fully capture a firm’s competitive strengths and weaknesses from a dynamic perspective. (...) In these cases, the Commission also considers various other factors to assess the influence on the competitive process that a firm may have (‘dynamic competitive potential’)". - 14:13, The moligopoly hypothesis: https://academic.oup.com/book/33503/chapter/287809787. - 14:28, Paragraph 101 of the Draft Guidelines: "In its competitive assessment, the Commission considers all competitive constraints faced by the merged firm irrespective of whether they arise from inside or outside the relevant market. Products that do not exert a sufficient competitive constraint on the merging firms’ products to belong to the same relevant market (out-of-market constraints) may still play an important role in the assessment of market power". - 16:59, Farrell and Shapiro's work on unilateral effects: https://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/shapiro/alternative.pdf. - 17:02, Ivaldi, Rey and Tilore on tacit collusion and non-coordinated effects (https://www.tse-fr.eu/sites/default/files/medias/doc/wp/2003/tacit_collusion.pdf) and Steve Davies (https://publications.aston.ac.uk/id/eprint/18471/2/Tacit_collusion_firm_asymmetries_and_numbers.pdf). - 17:34, Paragraph 192 of the Draft Guidelines: "In cases where a transaction involves a small innovative company, including a startup, or an R&D project with a dynamic competitive potential, the Commission in principle does not find a SIEC in relation to any theory of harm, including the loss of innovation competition, potential competition, entrenchment and foreclosure (...)". - 22:16, The EC's Dow/DuPont case (https://competition-cases.ec.europa.eu/cases/M.7932) and Illumina/Grail case (https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/hu/ip_24_1964). - 23:45, Grail fails to develop cancer detection tests: https://www.statnews.com/2026/02/19/grail-cancer-test-galleri-results/. - 24:05, The Dynamic Competition Initiative: https://www.dynamiccompetition.com/.

    25 min
  4. May 23

    #30 It is the Regulator's Problem To Deal With Technology-Neutral Regulation w/ Dr. Marco Almada

    This interview explores the complex concept of technology-neutral regulation, its benefits, challenges, and hidden costs. Expert Marco Almada discusses how neutrality can obscure technical details, lead to delegation of power, and create legal and practical issues in AI, cybersecurity, and digital markets. Find Marco's LinkedIn profile, where you'll find all of his publications and work on technology neutrality: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcoalmada/. Marco and I mentioned a few scholarly works and developments surrounding technology neutrality. Click on them directly here: - 03:45, Rebecca Crootof's and B.J. Ard's work on 'Structuring Techlaw': https://scholarship.richmond.edu/law-faculty-publications/1622/. - 05:43, Marco's publication, 'Two Dogmas of Technology-Neutral Regulation': https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4953377. - 06:48, South Korean experience with the adoption of ActiveX in its cybersecurity standards: https://www.forbes.com/sites/elaineramirez/2016/11/30/south-koreas-online-banking-system-is-stuck-in-1996/. - 07:40, South Korea repeals its cybersecurity mandate in 2013: https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2021/08/the-korean-way-with-data-how-the-worlds-most-wired-country-is-forging-a-third-way. - 08:29, The Court of Justice's case law on automated decisions applying the GDPR (Case C-203/22 on the right to explanation): https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:62022CJ0203. - 11:19, Laura Aade's research on drastic changes to social media platforms: https://law.stanford.edu/transatlantic-technology-law-forum/projects/defining-social-media-platforms-with-e-commerce-features-under-eu-and-us-consumer-law-a-tiktok-case-study/. - 12:35, The European Commission's DMA Article 6(11) proceedings on access to search data: https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/commission-opens-proceedings-assist-google-complying-interoperability-and-online-search-data-sharing-2026-01-27_en. - 15:08, The proposed reform of the Cybersecurity Act: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/library/proposal-regulation-eu-cybersecurity-act. - 16:30, Recital 15 GDPR reads as follows "In order to prevent creating a serious risk of circumvention, the protection of natural persons should be technologically neutral and should not depend on the techniques used". - 19:20, Paul Ohm's research on the US' surveillance apparatus and technology neutrality: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/256007763_The_Argument_Against_Technology-Neutral_Surveillance_Laws. To learn more about Dr. Alba Ribera Martínez and her research, we invite you to visit her website: https://www.albariberamartinez.com. She also writes, from time to time, in her newsletter, the DMA Agora, about the latest developments surrounding the European regulation: https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7344021393451184128.

    25 min
  5. May 23

    #29 Human-in-the-Loop: The Difference Between a Great Decision and a Complete Disaster w/ Prof. Fink

    Exploring the concept of human in the loop in AI systems, Melanie Fink discusses its practical implications, legal challenges, and the importance of meaningful human oversight to ensure accountability, dignity, and effective decision-making in public authority contexts. Find Melanie's LinkedIn profile here, where you'll find all her work and publications: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melanie-fink-520a23101/.Throughout the episode, we commented on some legal developments that have crystallised and some empirical and scholarly work published on the topic. Click on the link below to access it directly: - 03:00, The AI Act's incorporation of human-in-the-loop as human oversight in Article 14: "1. High-risk AI systems shall be designed and developed in such a way, including with appropriate human-machine interface tools, that they can be effectively overseen by natural persons during the period in which they are in use. 2. Human oversight shall aim to prevent or minimise the risks to health, safety or fundamental rights that may emerge when a high-risk AI system is used in accordance with its intended purpose or under conditions of reasonably foreseeable misuse, in particular where such risks persist despite the application of other requirements set out in this Section (...)". - 08:11, Madeleine Claire Elish's work on 'Moral Crumple Zones': https://estsjournal.org/index.php/ests/article/view/260. - 08:19, Rebeca Crootof's, Margot E. Kaminski and W. Nicholson Price's research on 'Humans in the Loop' documenting the liability sponge-like property of civil servants: https://scholarship.law.vanderbilt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?params=/context/vlr/article/4845/&path_info=Humans_in_the_Loop__Crootof_Kaminski_Price.pdf. - 09:37, The Spanish competition authority's use of AI systems: https://www.cnmc.es/sites/default/files/editor_contenidos/Notas%20de%20prensa/2021/20210301_NP_SICA_UIE_ENG.pdf. - 15:18, Empirical evidence documenting the existence of cognitive constraints and automation bias when humans make decisions stemming from the use of AI models: https://arxiv.org/html/2509.08514v1. - 21:38, The GDPR's right to an explanation in Articles 13, 14 and 22, as well as the AI Act's Article 86, which reads as: "1. Any affected person subject to a decision which is taken by the deployer on the basis of the output from a high-risk AI system listed in Annex III, with the exception of systems listed under point 2 thereof, and which produces legal effects or similarly significantly affects that person in a way that they consider to have an adverse impact on their health, safety or fundamental rights shall have the right to obtain from the deployer clear and meaningful explanations of the role of the AI system in the decision-making procedure and the main elements of the decision taken (...)". To learn more about Dr. Alba Ribera Martínez and her research, we invite you to visit her website: https://www.albariberamartinez.com. She also writes, from time to time, in her newsletter, the DMA Agora, about the latest developments surrounding the European regulation: https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7344021393451184128.

    26 min
  6. May 11

    #26 Why an Opt-Out Remedy from AI Overviews Will Not Restore the Temptation to Surf w/ Todd Davies

    In this episode, Alba Ribera Martínez interviews Todd Davies, a former Google engineer and competition law scholar, about the implications of AI Overviews in Google Search. They explore how AI features are transforming search dynamics, competition concerns, and potential regulatory responses. Find Todd's and Spencer Cohen's paper, Opt-out Remedies Will Not Fix AI Overviews here: https://doi.org/10.1093/jeclap/lpag025. Throughout the conversation, we touched upon a few topics relating to the deployment of AI Overviews on Search. Click on them below to access them directly: - Google's introduction of AI Overviews: https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/search/generative-ai-google-search-may-2024/. - Google's experience researchers, often known as User Experience (UX) Researchers, are professionals dedicated to understanding how people interact with technology to build better, more inclusive products for everyone. They conduct in-depth studies, including interviews, surveys, and usability tests, to inform the design and functionality of Google products. - The European Commission's sanctioning of Google for its conduct in the Google Shopping vertical: https://ec.europa.eu/competition/antitrust/cases/dec_docs/39740/39740_14996_3.pdf. - AI Overviews Impact on Traffic: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jul/24/ai-summaries-causing-devastating-drop-in-online-news-audiences-study-finds. - Click-through rates decrease as a consequence of the introduction of AI Overviews: https://searchengineland.com/google-ai-overviews-hurt-click-through-rates-454428. - European Commission's cases against Google's AI Overviews: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/da/ip_25_2964. - The General Court's ruling in the EC's Google Android case, para 1028: https://infocuria.curia.europa.eu/tabs/document?source=document&text=&docid=265421&pageIndex=0&doclang=EN&mode=lst&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=100147. - The relevance of secondary reporting, as illustrated by TV series: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt35615598/. - Grounding in AI is the process of connecting an AI model's abstract, probabilistic language outputs to verified, real-world data and context. It acts as a "reality check" to prevent hallucinations (invented content), ensuring answers are accurate, relevant, and backed by specific information. - Madhavi Singh and Fiona Scott Morton's paper, A Roadmap for a Monopolization Case against Google: Monopsony Power and AI Overviews: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=6303280. To learn more about Dr. Alba Ribera Martínez and her research, we invite you to visit her website: https://www.albariberamartinez.com. She also writes, from time to time, in her newsletter, the DMA Agora, about the latest developments surrounding the European regulation: https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7344021393451184128.

    20 min

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