The Classical Mind

Jared Henderson & Wesley Walker
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Conversations on the Great Books. New episodes on the first Tuesday of every month. www.theclassicalmind.com

  1. 12H AGO

    Inferno

    In this episode, Father Wesley Walker and Dr. Junius Johnson are joined by Dante scholar Catherine Illingworth to navigate the harrowing depths of Dante’s Inferno. The conversation centers on the profound medieval understanding of sin not merely as a broken rule, but as a fundamental distortion of love and human nature. The hosts and their guest explore how the damned souls, such as Francesca and Paolo in Canto V, consistently refuse to take responsibility for their actions, instead blaming external forces like romantic love for their eternal demise. This introduces the foundational concept that hell is a realm where souls have misordered their affections, elevating earthly desires above their love for God and ultimately choosing their own ruin. The discussion dives deeply into the mechanics of divine justice, specifically the concept of contrapasso, where the physical punishment seamlessly mirrors the internal reality of the sin. Through vivid examples like Capaneus, whose unyielding pride becomes his own internal and eternal torment , and Odysseus, whose final voyage represents the ultimate theological fraud of attempting to achieve salvation through human merit alone, the episode illustrates how sin deforms the human soul. The group also grapples with the modern reader’s severe discomfort with eternal damnation, contrasting contemporary universalist tendencies with Dante’s vision of a highly physical, meticulously structured afterlife where characters literally become the landscape of their own making. Junius has a video on courtly love that may be helpful to understand some of the conversation. Catherine Illingworth studied religion and literature at the Yale Divinity School before pursuing a PhD at UCLA in medieval literature with a specialized focus on Dante. She recently stepped away from the academic world after her young son, George, was diagnosed with a rare neurodegenerative genetic disease. In response to the immense financial barriers preventing children from accessing existing, life-saving gene therapies, she founded the Bradstreet Foundation to help families lacking a commercial pathway for treatment. You can learn more about her vital advocacy work at geneforgeorge.org, and follow her updates on TikTok and Instagram by searching for Catherine Illingworth. Endnotes: * Catherine: “The Waste Land” by T.S. Eliot * Junius: No Exit by Jean-Paul Sartre * Wesley: Unreal, Unearth by Hozier Get full access to The Classical Mind at www.theclassicalmind.com/subscribe

    1h 16m

  2. FEB 10

    BONUS EPISODE: An Introduction to The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri

    This bonus episode of The Classical Mind serves as “front matter” to prepare listeners for a three-month reading marathon of Dante Alighieri’s Divine Comedy. Join Wesley and Junius as they explain that the work is a “comedy” not because of humor, but because of its trajectory: it begins in the darkness of Inferno and ends with the “blessed life” and vision of God in Paradiso. The discussion explores the poem’s intricate architecture, consisting of 100 cantos and an interlocking three-line rhyme scheme called terza rima. The hosts emphasize that Dante intentionally wrote the poem to be read using the medieval fourfold method—literal, allegorical, moral (tropological), and eschatological—allowing it to function as both a narrative journey and a transformative spiritual school for the reader. The episode also provides the vital historical and cosmological context required to navigate Dante’s world, from the “funnel” of Hell beneath Jerusalem to the mountain of Purgatory on the opposite side of the globe. The hosts explain how the Earth was viewed as the “cosmic dump” at the absolute bottom of a sphere-shaped universe, putting Satan as far from God as possible. Additionally, they break down the 13th-century political strife between the Ghibellines and Guelphs, noting that Dante’s own exile as a White Guelph deeply colors the text. By synthesizing the theology of Aquinas and Bonaventure with the classical poetry of Virgil, Dante created an “encyclopedia of medieval thought” that remains a high point of the Western canon. Get full access to The Classical Mind at www.theclassicalmind.com/subscribe

    57 min

  3. JAN 20

    Lilith

    In this episode of The Classical Mind, Fr. Wesley Walker and Dr. Junius Johnson explore George MacDonald’s 1895 fantasy novel, Lilith. The discussion navigates the tension between MacDonald’s occasionally “fumbling” literary style and the profound, “mythopoeic” power of his spiritual vision. The episode also touches on MacDonald’s universalist leanings and his belief that even “evil that is good for you” acts as a redemptive force. Ultimately, the episode highlights how Lilith challenges readers to move beyond a dry love of books to a lived experience of the supernatural reality they represent. We want to keep up the conversation with you! To receive new episodes and support our show, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Endnotes: * Junius: Phantastes by George MacDonald * Wesley: Our Next Work: Inferno by Dante Alighieri Get full access to The Classical Mind at www.theclassicalmind.com/subscribe

    1h 24m
  4. Medieval Exegesis

    JAN 6

    Medieval Exegesis

    In this episode of The Classical Mind, hosts Father Wesley Walker and Dr. Junius Johnson dive deep into the fascinating, complex topic of Medieval Exegesis—”specifically how the medievals read the scriptures.” Moving beyond single book analysis, this discussion traces the history of Christian exegesis from the Patristic era (Paul, Origen) to the evolution of the foundational Four Senses of Scripture (literal, allegorical, moral, and anagogical). Discover the critical, often-misunderstood meaning of the Literal Sense and learn how this ancient, nuanced method of biblical interpretation offers powerful intellectual tools for solving modern-day false dichotomies. Endnotes * Junius: The Mystical Ark by Richard of Saint Victor * Wesley: The Selected Spiritual Writings of Hugh of Saint Victor Get full access to The Classical Mind at www.theclassicalmind.com/subscribe

    1h 5m
  5. Our Top Reads of 2025

    12/30/2025

    Our Top Reads of 2025

    In this special year-end bonus episode, hosts Father Wesley Walker and Dr. Junius Johnson take a break from their usual Great Books discussion to share their personal Top 5 favorite books read this year—works that fell (mostly) outside of the main Classical Mind reading list. The Classical Mind is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support our work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Junius Frankenstein by Mary Shelley Phantastes by George MacDonald The Liberation of Jerusalem by Torquato Tasso The Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien The Daevabad Trilogy by S.A. Chakraborty Wesley The Meaning of Christian Brotherhood by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger On Great Fields: The Life and Unlikely Heroism of Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain by Ronald C. White Attack Upon Christendom by Soren Kierkegaard Everything Sad is Untrue by Daniel Nayeri Nietzsche is My Brother by Bridget Edman, O.C.D. Get full access to The Classical Mind at www.theclassicalmind.com/subscribe

    23 min

  6. 12/02/2025

    Bill Budd, Sailor

    In this episode of The Classical Mind, Junius and Wesley dive deep into Herman Melville’s Billy Budd, Sailor — a haunting naval novella exploring innocence, evil, law, mutiny, and biblical symbolism aboard a British warship during the Napoleonic era. Melville’s final, posthumously published work blends gripping maritime drama with profound moral and theological questions. We unpack what Makes Billy Budd a Great (and Strange) Work, Historical and Naval Context, Biblical Themes, and how memory and myth are related. Endnotes: * Junius: Bartleby, the Scrivener * Wesley: Billy Budd (1962) Get full access to The Classical Mind at www.theclassicalmind.com/subscribe

    1h 9m

  7. 11/13/2025

    The Classical Mind Goes to the Movies: Frankenstein (2025)

    In this episode, Junius and Wesley take on the latest film adaptation of Frankenstein, asking what makes a great adaptation of a classic work — and whether this one succeeds. From Mary Shelley’s 19th-century vision of creation and responsibility to modern cinematic retellings, they explore how filmmakers interpret, distort, and occasionally deepen the original novel’s moral and theological questions. Along the way, they consider what’s lost and what’s gained when literary imagination meets the visual power of film. Be sure to check out the stage adaptation by A.S. Peterson that Junius speaks about a few times in the episode. Get full access to The Classical Mind at www.theclassicalmind.com/subscribe

    1h 6m
  8. The Proslogion by St. Anselm

    10/28/2025

    The Proslogion by St. Anselm

    In this episode, Father Wesley and Dr. Junius dive deep into St. Anselm’s Proslogion, the short yet monumental work that introduced one of the most enduring and debated arguments in the history of philosophy and theology: the ontological argument for God’s existence. The hosts explore Anselm’s background as monk, abbot, and Archbishop of Canterbury, highlighting his tumultuous life amid royal and papal conflict, his intellectual lineage from Augustine and Boethius, and his place at the dawn of scholasticism. They also reflect on how his prayerful approach to theology—fides quaerens intellectum (“faith seeking understanding”)—blurs the line between philosophical proof and devotional meditation. Endnotes * Junius: The Prayers and Meditations of St. Anselm * Wesley: * “A Gift Exceeding Every Debt” by David Bentley Hart * “Anselmian Apocatastasis: The Fitting Necessity of Universal Salvation in St Anselm’s Cur Deus Homo” by Roberto J. De La Noval Get full access to The Classical Mind at www.theclassicalmind.com/subscribe

    1h 10m
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Conversations on the Great Books. New episodes on the first Tuesday of every month. www.theclassicalmind.com

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  • Creator
    Jared Henderson & Wesley Walker
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
    48
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Wesley Walker
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    The Classical Mind

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